Whiskey Pimp Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 OT in the regular season is now the same as in the playoffs. All turnovers will be subject to review like scoring plays, no coaching challenge is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 The OT rule change will be weird but it is certainly a more fair solution than a coin flip deciding who gets to go first when any score ends the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Does that mean no more ties if there is no score or each team gets a FG at the end of the 15 minutes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 The modified system of determining the winner shall prevail when the score is tied at the end of regulation for postseason NFL games. The system guarantees each team a possession or the opportunity to possess, unless the team that receives the opening kickoff scores a touchdown on its initial possession. “At the end of regulation time, the Referee will immediately toss a coin at the center of the field in accordance with rules pertaining to the usual pregame toss. The captain of the visiting team will call the toss prior to the coin being flipped. “Following a three-minute intermission after the end of the regulation game, play will be continued in 15-minute periods until a winner is declared. Each team must possess or have the opportunity to possess the ball unless the team that has the ball first scores a touchdown on its initial possession. Play continues in sudden death until a winner is determined, and the game automatically ends upon any score (by safety, field goal, or touchdown) or when a score is awarded by the Referee for a palpably unfair act. Each team has three timeouts per half and all general timing provisions apply as during a regular-season game. The try is not attempted if a touchdown is scored. Disqualified players are not allowed to return.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 DMD, curious what that was you quoted. Is it a quote from the current (before changes) rule book? Or somethig from the rule changes? It clearly mentions postseason games so it seems like the postseason OT rules. I think what Big John is asking (and many will wonder) is, can regular season games still end in a tie? Or will they keep playing until the tie is broken. I think using similar rules for regular and postseason (you cannot win in OT with a FG on your first posession without the other team getting a chance to score) makes sense. I don't think removing ties in the regular season and forcing potential extensive OT periods makes sense. Some people had a hard time understanding the change in OT rules for post season. It was very simple, basically the team receiving the opening kickoff of OT does not win immediately upon scoring a FG on that possession. Everything else was the same (score a TD, no score on first possession, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Sorry - my understanding is that there can still be ties in the regular season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 “At the end of regulation time, the Referee will immediately toss a coin at the center of the field in accordance with rules pertaining to the usual pregame toss. The captain of the visiting team will call the toss prior to the coin being flipped. “Following a three-minute intermission during which we will advertise 4 lite beer commercials, 2 Geico Ads (one with the Gekko and one with the Caveman), after the end of the regulation game, play will be continued in 15-minute periods until a winner is declared or until any available advertising spots have been fulfilled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 to both - the OT rule had to be changed for regular season, once it was implemented for post-season. Having them inconsistent was stupid. - anything that leads us closer to a OT official, who automatically reviews EVERY play quickly, like they do in college, I'm all for it. Also, turnovers are extremely critical. Getting those calls right is worth the delay it may cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Pimp Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 - anything that leads us closer to a OT official, who automatically reviews EVERY play quickly, like they do in college, I'm all for it. Also, turnovers are extremely critical. Getting those calls right is worth the delay it may cause. Hopefully this means that refs allow the play to continue instead of blowing the whistle so quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Sorry - my understanding is that there can still be ties in the regular season. And I think most fans are ok with that, ties have been part of the NFL for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 So basically, coach's challenges are left to whether something is a catch, or a correct spot? At this rate, just let the booth decide what should be reviewed Wouldn't that, in essense, please everyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satelliteoflovegm Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 So basically, coach's challenges are left to whether something is a catch, or a correct spot? At this rate, just let the booth decide what should be reviewed Wouldn't that, in essense, please everyone? Well no, if it wasn't ruled a score or turnover they'd want to review that if they thought it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I can't believe they are going to review all turnovers but couldn't figure out that they should be reviewing all TDs (not just those called on the field) OR even better not review any TDs unless the coach wants to challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I can't believe they are going to review all turnovers but couldn't figure out that they should be reviewing all TDs (not just those called on the field) OR even better not review any TDs unless the coach wants to challenge. Huh? Are you saying they should review every play that could have been called a TD? If the play results in it not being ruled a score but maybe it was they should review that? I think that is why the coach's challenge remains. My guess is more often than not they'll err on the side of calling it a score (or turnover) knowing that it will be automatically reviewed (to see if it will be officially reviewed by ref in the box). Then if it wasn't close to a turnover or score they don't call it, and if the coach wants to challenge he can. This way if they call a turnover, the coach doesn't have to "waste" a challenge on a questionable call on the field, as we saw happen several times last year. I think the intent here is "automatic review of key plays, scores and turnovers". Couple that with ruling on the field in favor of the score or turnover when its close, and allowing coach's challenges is an improvement. The college system may still be the way to go, but I think giving the coaches some option to challenge when they feel the wrong call was made is also good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I don't understand why they are doing this little by little... just get to the part where every play is reviewed before going on to the next play. That is what they are going to do eventually. And I have no problem with ties in the regular season. There should not be overtime in any regular season game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Huh? Are you saying they should review every play that could have been called a TD? If the play results in it not being ruled a score but maybe it was they should review that? I think that is why the coach's challenge remains. My guess is more often than not they'll err on the side of calling it a score (or turnover) knowing that it will be automatically reviewed (to see if it will be officially reviewed by ref in the box). Then if it wasn't close to a turnover or score they don't call it, and if the coach wants to challenge he can. This way if they call a turnover, the coach doesn't have to "waste" a challenge on a questionable call on the field, as we saw happen several times last year. I think the intent here is "automatic review of key plays, scores and turnovers". Couple that with ruling on the field in favor of the score or turnover when its close, and allowing coach's challenges is an improvement. The college system may still be the way to go, but I think giving the coaches some option to challenge when they feel the wrong call was made is also good. Yes that is what I'm saying but I went on to say that it would be even better to NOT review any TDs (called or not called) and just let the coaches challenge. The rule as it is makes zero sense. For every TD that was called as such but when looked at in slow motion is NOT a TD - I can point out a TD that was NOT called but should have been called a TD. Why are they only reviewing one side of these scenarios? I know why - because they don't want to review everything - but it's unfair to only review 1/2 of potential TDs. There's that whole other group that should be a TD but wasn't called. The ref still made a mistake yet they wont' review it. As someone else stated in this thread, the NFL should really just move to having all questionable plays reviewed upstairs by a ref sitting in front of a tv with quicker access to review. When the announcers show replays, you can usually see what really happened quickly. The other option is to scrap instant replay altogether. One thing for sure - half assing instant replay doesn't manke much sense. Either go all in or all out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 The rule as it is makes zero sense. For every TD that was called as such but when looked at in slow motion is NOT a TD - I can point out a TD that was NOT called but should have been called a TD. Why are they only reviewing one side of these scenarios? I know why - because they don't want to review everything - but it's unfair to only review 1/2 of potential TDs. There's that whole other group that should be a TD but wasn't called. The ref still made a mistake yet they wont' review it. It makes far more than zero sense. It used to be none of these were reviewed. Now they are reviewing a large percentage of them for free. It's not like coaches now are prohibited from challenging non-TD calls - they still can, just like they used to. Nothing lost, much gained. That's a no-brainer. If they could realistically review them all they would, but as you said it can't happen. 1st and goal from the 1 could take 20 minutes, it could become an advantage for clock management, teams would be disrupted from running hurry-up, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 It makes far more than zero sense. It used to be none of these were reviewed. Now they are reviewing a large percentage of them for free. It's not like coaches now are prohibited from challenging non-TD calls - they still can, just like they used to. Nothing lost, much gained. That's a no-brainer. If they could realistically review them all they would, but as you said it can't happen. 1st and goal from the 1 could take 20 minutes, it could become an advantage for clock management, teams would be disrupted from running hurry-up, etc. Which is why they should just have a ref in the booth watching the game on a tv monitor. He should be able to quickly spot a questionable call, review it and signal down to the field refs. As others have mentioned, that's where the NFL is headed so why not just do it already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Which is why they should just have a ref in the booth watching the game on a tv monitor. He should be able to quickly spot a questionable call, review it and signal down to the field refs. As others have mentioned, that's where the NFL is headed so why not just do it already? Pace of play. They are currently reviewing plays that don't affect the pace of the game much - there are already delays/commercial breaks after most TD's and turnovers so they are adding very little real delays in. Whoever the replay guru is, Mike something or other, was on Sirius the other day and noted that was one of the keys to this change and also last year's review of all TD's - that it wasn't disrupting to the flow of the game. I agree with you btw, and think more replay is good, anything we can do to get it RIGHT is good for the game, but not boring the bejesus out of the viewers is important to avoid as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerz Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 to both - the OT rule had to be changed for regular season, once it was implemented for post-season. Having them inconsistent was stupid. - anything that leads us closer to a OT official, who automatically reviews EVERY play quickly, like they do in college, I'm all for it. Also, turnovers are extremely critical. Getting those calls right is worth the delay it may cause. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Yes that is what I'm saying but I went on to say that it would be even better to NOT review any TDs (called or not called) and just let the coaches challenge. The rule as it is makes zero sense. For every TD that was called as such but when looked at in slow motion is NOT a TD - I can point out a TD that was NOT called but should have been called a TD. Why are they only reviewing one side of these scenarios? I know why - because they don't want to review everything - but it's unfair to only review 1/2 of potential TDs. There's that whole other group that should be a TD but wasn't called. The ref still made a mistake yet they wont' review it. As someone else stated in this thread, the NFL should really just move to having all questionable plays reviewed upstairs by a ref sitting in front of a tv with quicker access to review. When the announcers show replays, you can usually see what really happened quickly. The other option is to scrap instant replay altogether. One thing for sure - half assing instant replay doesn't manke much sense. Either go all in or all out. Thanks for the clarification. IMHO the revised rules are better than the prior rules, and both are better than no instant replay at all. I wouldn't be against trying the system you suggest (basically college system if I understand it) but I'm not sure the owners want to take that leap all at once. And after all, it is their decision to make (and ours to comment on). I also feel that instant replay has affected on the field calls, particularly with turnovers, where things that were very borderline were called a fumble/interception. That forced the team on offense to use a challenge (if they could). So now those calls will continue on the field and the team doesn't have to use a challenge. Sure there may be questionable calls of no turnover that should be reviewed as well, and that's where the challenge comes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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