Duchess Jack Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 i sound dumb? you can hear me? wow....libby donkey heeeeeeeeeee hawwwwwwwwwwwwwww 1423813[/snapback] Your friends and loved one must be so proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 With todays media there is no way the landing at Normandy would have happened, or if it had, amost all of our men would have been killed. 1423657[/snapback] I would really like to hear the full explanation of that claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 I would really like to hear the full explanation of that claim. 1423842[/snapback] He's absolutely correct. Normandy was an amazingly kept secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 (edited) Your friends and loved one must be so proud. 1423841[/snapback] its loved oneSSSSS im loved by many!!!!! god bless you and america! Edited April 17, 2006 by dmarc117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 How would you libs feel about this if it were true: 1) Support it. 2) America has no business sticking it's nose in Iran and it's supposed WMD's. 3) Wait to see how it turns out and then react. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 (edited) How would you libs feel about this if it were true: 1) Support it. 2) America has no business sticking it's nose in Iran and it's supposed WMD's. 3) Wait to see how it turns out and then react. 1423858[/snapback] I think that we need to do something about Iran. edit: soon Edited April 17, 2006 by Duchess Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke 1982 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 i sound dumb? you can hear me? wow....libby donkey heeeeeeeeeee hawwwwwwwwwwwwwww 1423813[/snapback] Isn't it amazing that your view is considered dumb? A frequent comment from the tolerant? libs. Keep up the fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 I would really like to hear the full explanation of that claim. 1423842[/snapback] In the months leading up to the invasion, the Allies conducted a deception operation, Operation Bodyguard, designed to persuade the Germans that other points would be threatened as well as northern France (such as the Balkans and the south of France). Then, in the weeks leading up to the invasion, in order to persuade the Germans that the main invasion would really be coming to the Pas de Calais, as well as to lead them to expect an invasion of Norway, the Allies prepared a massive deception plan, called Operation Fortitude. Operation Fortitude North would lead the Axis to expect an attack on Norway; the much more vital Operation Fortitude South was designed to lead the Germans to expect the main invasion at the Pas de Calais, and to hold back forces to guard against this threat rather than rushing them to Normandy. An entirely fictitious First U.S. Army Group ("FUSAG"), supposedly under the command of General George S. Patton, supposedly located in southeastern England, was created in German minds by the use of double agents and fake radio traffic. The Germans had an extensive network of agents operating in England. Unfortunately for them, every single one had been "turned" by the Allies as part of the Double Cross System, and appropriate agents were dutifully sending back messages "confirming" the existence and location of FUSAG and the Pas de Calais as the likely main attack point. In addition, extensive false radio signals traffic was transmitted, making it appear that FUSAG was concentrating in southeastern England. In aid of Operation Fortitude North, Operation Skye, was mounted from Scotland using radio traffic, designed to convince German traffic analysts that an invasion would be also mounted into Norway. Against this phantom threat, German troops that otherwise could have been moved into France were instead kept in Norway. Some of the more unusual Allied preparations included armoured vehicles specially adapted for the assault. Developed under the leadership of Major-General Percy Hobart, these vehicles (called Hobart's Funnies) included "swimming" Duplex Drive Sherman tanks, mine-clearing tanks, bridge-laying tanks and road-laying tanks. Some prior testing of these vehicles had been undertaken at Kirkham Priory in Yorkshire, England. The invasion plan also called for the construction of two artificial Mulberry Harbours in order to get vital supplies to the invading forces in the first few weeks of the battle in the absence of deep-water ports, and Operation PLUTO (Pipe Line Under The Ocean), a series of submarine pipes that would deliver fuel from Britain to the invading forces. Allied forces rehearsed their roles for D-Day months before the invasion. On April 28, 1944, in south Devon on the English coast, 749 U.S. soldiers and sailors were killed when German torpedo boats surprised one of these landing exercises, Exercise Tiger. In the weeks before the invasion it was noticed that the crossword of the British Daily Telegraph newspaper contained a surprisingly large number of words which were codewords relating to the invasion. MI5 first thought this was a coincidence; but when the word Mulberry was one of the crossword answers, the MI5 then interviewed the compiler, a schoolmaster, but were convinced of his innocence. It was later revealed that the words were suggested by his pupils, and that they had heard nearby soldiers using them, without knowing what they meant. There were several leaks on or before D-Day of which two are of interest. Canadian Major-General Rodney F.L. Keller was removed from command on August 8th 1944 for a drinking problem and several breaches of security. According to Canadian Historian C.P. Stacey (A Date with History pp 136) Keller, who is not named but is clearly the person Stacey is referring to, went to a drunken party while in England and ended up shouting the approximate date and time of the landings. He was not removed before D-Day because the operation was set to occur too soon. The second leak involved General de Gaulle's radio message after D-Day. He, unlike all the other leaders, stated that this invasion was the real invasion. This had the potential to ruin the allied deceptions Fortitude North and Fortitude South. For example, Eisenhower referred to the landings as the initial invasion. The Germans did not believe de Gaulle and waited too long to move in extra units against the allies. Doesn't sound like they would have wanted embedded troups to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 I think my work is done here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke 1982 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 I think my work is done here. 1423956[/snapback] Yes it is...you can not embarrass yourself any further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Yes it is...you can not embarrass yourself any further. 1423961[/snapback] What Bush has done is very embarassing. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Has someone made an actual conservative argument in this thread? Maybe I missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke 1982 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 What Bush has done is very embarassing. Good point. 1423967[/snapback] Yea that was my point. Bush has done what he believes is the right thing. Not the popular choice, but what he thought was necessary. Unlike your lib favorites, who consult the polls before acting. For the record, any lib that calls GW embarassing must have been born after 2000. You could not have had a more embarrassing administration before this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Never mind. I found the conservative argument. It's Clinton's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke 1982 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Never mind. I found the conservative argument. It's Clinton's fault. 1423979[/snapback] Did not say that Gomer. Try and follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 ENOUGH! Bush is the biggest snake we've ever had as president. If you support him you are a moran!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 ENOUGH! 1423981[/snapback] Dan Pastorini? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke 1982 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 (edited) ENOUGH! Bush is the biggest snake we've ever had as president. If you support him you are a moran!!!!!!! 1423981[/snapback] LOL! GET OVER IT! R E T A R D! Edited April 17, 2006 by Zeke 1982 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 LOL! GET OVER IT! R E T A R D! 1423984[/snapback] I don't even vote. Never have, probably never will. But I don't understand why anyone can defend this moran we call a president. What I also don't understand about politics is how anyone can stay loyal to a certain party. I don't know about most of you, but I search for truth in everything. We as humans all need to do this and then make decissions based on that truth. Saying you're either democrat or republican is being loyal to a party and is not necessarily searching for truth. If we want to make the world a better place and more specifically this country a better place, then we need to focus on truth and what is right. We need to hold our politicians to a higher standard and defending crooked politicians who happen to be of the party you prefer doesn't help. Everyone needs to grow a pair and call out those that need to be called out whether you like them or not. We cannot grow if everyone is only busy defending their "team". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 ENOUGH! Bush is the biggest snake we've ever had as president. If you support him you are a moran!!!!!!! 1423981[/snapback] He may be inept, but he falls well behind snakes like Bill Clinton (selling the Whitehouse, foreign campaign donations, etc..), LBJ, (Bell Helicopter ring a bell), FDR (and his socialist friends), Abe Lincoln (Tied to big business like no other president before or after). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke 1982 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 I don't even vote. 1423990[/snapback] Enough said...move on to the fashion threads. You have no say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 He may be inept, but he falls well behind snakes like Bill Clinton (selling the Whitehouse, foreign campaign donations, etc..), LBJ, (Bell Helicopter ring a bell), FDR (and his socialist friends), Abe Lincoln (Tied to big business like no other president before or after). 1423991[/snapback] I don't disagree with that, of course I don't know either so I'm taking your word for it. The fact that you're willing to see the truth that is NOW, I can respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 I don't even vote. Never have, probably never will. But I don't understand why anyone can defend this moran we call a president. What I also don't understand about politics is how anyone can stay loyal to a certain party. I don't know about most of you, but I search for truth in everything. We as humans all need to do this and then make decissions based on that truth. Saying you're either democrat or republican is being loyal to a party and is not necessarily searching for truth. If we want to make the world a better place and more specifically this country a better place, then we need to focus on truth and what is right. We need to hold our politicians to a higher standard and defending crooked politicians who happen to be of the party you prefer doesn't help. Everyone needs to grow a pair and call out those that need to be called out whether you like them or not. We cannot grow if everyone is only busy defending their "team". 1423990[/snapback] If you don't vote, do you have a right to bitch? I don't think you'll find anyone here that will say Bush is the best we've ever had, and truthfully I don't think you will find anyone here that will say he is better than Clinton. Unfortunatley he is better than the two dolts the dems have put up against him. Furthermore, I don't think Bush is crooked, and it would be hard to say that he is as crooked as some of our past presidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Enough said...move on to the fashion threads. You have no say. 1423993[/snapback] I will vote when there is someone worth voting for. I'll let you and the rest of the masses feel important by thinking that you're making a difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Ok this is sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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