H. R. 1022

[Yukon Cornelius]

yup the bill is bogus but so is the NRA.... find someone else to give youre money 2... there are other hunting and gun groups that are not a bunch of Waco and ruby ridge jobs.

[Disfunction Junction]

When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

[The Holy Roller]

Yep, one day the Gubment will ban something you do care about.

 

When the Nazis came for the communists,

I remained silent;

I was not a communist.

 

When they locked up the social democrats,

I remained silent;

I was not a social democrat.

 

When they came for the trade unionists,

I did not speak out;

I was not a trade unionist.

 

When they came for me,

there was no one left to speak out

 

And then they banned online poker,

And almost conquered the world.

 

 

True dat.

[DMD]

Only the Gubment should have weapons and control what we put in our bodies. I trust them 100% to save ourselves from ourselves.

 

Everyone march in step!

 

 

and TimC has his own version of passive resistance...

[Front Row]

yup the bill is bogus but so is the NRA.... find someone else to give youre money 2... there are other hunting and gun groups that are not a bunch of Waco and ruby ridge jobs.

 

 

Why do you hate Janet Reno?

[TimC]

and TimC has his own version of passive resistance...

 

 

Me and the Mrs home defense

[Jimmy Neutron]

yup the bill is bogus but so is the NRA.... find someone else to give youre money 2... there are other hunting and gun groups that are not a bunch of Waco and ruby ridge jobs.

 

 

I am not a memer of the NRA - I think they're rather inconsisent. They are totally immovable on a few minor points and complete sell outs on others.

 

The JPFO and GOA are better groups to do support if you are in the pro gun/pro freedom camp.

[i_am_the_swammi]

Five Killed at Pa. Amish School

After Attack, Gunman Fatally Shoots Himself

 

Tuesday, October 3, 2006; 12:30 PM

 

BART TOWNSHIP, Pa., Oct. 3 -- Five young Amish girls are dead, and five more are seriously injured, after being lined up in their one-room school Monday and shot "execution style" by a heavily armed milk truck driver who then took his own life, police said.

 

Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, was armed with three guns, two knives and 600 rounds of ammunition when he burst into the schoolhouse, forced the girls to line up against a blackboard and shot them at close range in the back of the head, police said.

 

Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, a milk truck driver from the town of Bart, Pa., killed himself after allegedly shooting and killing at least five Amish students and wounding several others in a one-room schoolhouse, Pennsylvania state police Commissioner Jeffrey B. Miller said Monday.

 

Pennsylvania State Police commissioner Col. Jeffrey B. Miller, who described the crime scene as "horrendous," said Roberts apparently was motivated by rage over a long-ago incident unconnected to the school or the Amish community.

 

Roberts lived in the area, but was not Amish. He was armed with a semiautomatic handgun, a rifle, a shotgun and a stun gun, police said, and had no known criminal history.

 

"Apparently there was some sort of an issue in his past that he, for some reason, wanted to exact revenge against female victims," Miller said. "It's obvious to us that this was a premeditated hostage scenario where, I believe, based on what the investigators have so far, he intended not to walk out of there alive. But he also intended to kill innocent victims."

 

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An 'all-American boy' ...an American tragedy

By SIMONE WEICHSELBAUM, BOB WARNER & REGINA MEDINA

simone@phillynews.com 215-854-5324

 

IT STARTED on Monday afternoon with a scene that could have happened in any American household: A 16-year-old boy comes home from high school with a bad report card, and is ordered by his parents to buckle down or else.

 

But this time , for some reason, it triggered a very public tragedy the following day in the hallway of a Montgomery Count y high school — sending bullets flying and students scurrying for cover, bumping Iraq off the national cable news for a time , and shattering a close -knit suburban community.

 

When the chaos had finally ended yesterday, the 16-year-old — Shane Halligan, an Eagle Scout with dreams of a military career — was dead from a self-inflicted blast from the sawed-off AK-47 he had smuggled into Springfield High School in a duffel bag.

 

And the boy's father, John Halligan, found himself speaking at a vigil last night in front of the high school's towering flagpole , surrounded by a sea of dozens of candles held by his son's friends and clas sma tes.

 

"I was floored by this," he told the crowd. "I truly believed he wouldn't hurt himself. ..." Halligan begged the teenagers to always share their emotions with family and friends: "You gotta talk." On one level, Shane's suicide was a kind of American tragedy, touching on the hot-button issues of guns in schools and kids' access to firearms, metal detector s in schools, the pressure on today's teens and the effect on their mental health.

 

And the incident that erupted about 9:15 a.m. yester day in a crowded hallway at Springfield High also left details tha t will haunt the eyewitnes ses: Shotgun blasts that ripped large holes in the surrounding cinder blocks; the hall monitor who pleaded with Shane , through the window of a classroom door, to put down the gun.

 

But the real tragedy of Shane Halligan is the intensely personal one: What happens in the mind of a teenager to prompt a violent and very public act over what should have been a minor event? "Remember , you're talking about a 16yearold whose mind is not fully developed, obviously , and things bother some adolescents more than they perhaps logically should," Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce Castor told a crowded news conference yesterday. "My best guess is that it was to go out in a blaze of glory with a lot of attention brought to it. There doesn't seem to be any other conclusion." Certainly , there were no warning signs. Shane Halligan was part of a well-known family in the area around Springfield Township and Oreland, where he lived.

 

The boy's uncle Joe Halligan owns Halligan's Pub in Flourtown and manages a local country club .

 

His grandmother was a highschool bus driver in Springfield Township for many years.

 

Shane Halligan was both well liked and active in the community, a young volunteer firefighter in Oreland in recent months in addition to his involvement as an Eagle Scout in a troop led by his da das scoutmaster .

 

"He was a good, quiet, neighborhood boy," said Jona than Fitzner, 73, neighbor of the Halligans and a pastor at Flourtown Church of God. "We knew him since he was little . He was always kind. There was nothing unusual we could notice about him." Shane was also "anxious to begin a career in the U.S. Army," according to D.A. Castor, and had made plans to attend an Army boot camp this summer befor e starting his senior year. Ultimately, he wanted to study aerospace, his friends say, and maybe fly helicopters in the National Guard.

 

About a month ago, Shane brought twine to school and taught his U.S. history class how to make rope , friends said. Shane always talked with his peers about scouting and the military .

 

"He was a walking history book," said 11th-grader Edward Arentzen. "He was a World War I and World War II type of guy. ... Sometimes he would wear [camouflage] to school." But apparently Shane convinced himself that his dreams of attending boot camp and of fighting fires were imperiled by poor grades on his last two report cards .

 

According to Castor, Shane took his latest report card home on Monday, but when his father asked if he had it with him, Shane initially lied and told him no. But Castor said his father had gone through the school bag himself and found the report card, which was "not to his and his [shane's] mom's liking." "They did what all concerned parents would do," Castor said, "and told Shane , 'You do need to keep your grades up, you have all these other things. If you want to be involved with the military, you're going to have to cut back and not run out on fires.' " The boy agreed, and there seemed to be no further problem. In fact, the family shared a normal breakfast yesterday, Castor said .

 

These both happened in the last several months here in PA...without much thought on my part searching for them. I am sure there were countless other deaths caused by "legal" weapons. Rather pathetic.

 

I have my hobbies, too, but if, for the greater good of the nation, they were outlawed, I would have no problem with it.

 

I wonder why so many gun activists can't also put down their weapons for the greater good of the nation???

[yo mama]

When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

 

Mr. Cliche?

[Big John]

Mr. Cliche?

 

Nope.

[yo mama]

Nope.

 

Sarcasm still doesn't translate well on a message board, does it.

[Yukon Cornelius]

Sarcasm still doesn't translate well on a message board, does it.

 

u need to use better and more sarcastic key strokes.

[Pope Flick]

 

These both happened in the last several months here in PA...without much thought on my part searching for them. I am sure there were countless other deaths caused by "legal" weapons. Rather pathetic.

 

I have my hobbies, too, but if, for the greater good of the nation, they were outlawed, I would have no problem with it.

 

I wonder why so many gun activists can't also put down their weapons for the greater good of the nation???

 

 

Because someone who wants to shoot someone, will find that gun whether or not it is legal. Why would they want to commit an illegal act but stop at breaking the law to acquire said gun?

[Disfunction Junction]

Honest citizens should be allowed to possess guns, regardless of caliber, etc. Felons should lose their right to own or possess guns and not be allowed to vote either. I think each gun control law incrementally reduces our gun owning rights and that violates the 2nd amendment. Laws should punish criminals and not honest citizens.

[Perchoutofwater]

Because someone who wants to shoot someone, will find that gun whether or not it is legal. Why would they want to commit an illegal act but stop at breaking the law to acquire said gun?

 

 

[Ursa Majoris]

Honest citizens should be allowed to possess guns, regardless of caliber, etc.

 

I have placed my orders for a 155mm tracked howitzer, a MLRS and a shoulder fired anti-tank rocket system from amazon.com. Should be here Monday.

[SeductiveNun]

I have placed my orders for a 155mm tracked howitzer, a MLRS and a shoulder fired anti-tank rocket system from amazon.com. Should be here Monday.

Note to self, don't snipe Ursa's pick in the UFF-DA draft this year.

[i_am_the_swammi]

When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

 

Ideal.

 

That way, when my son goes over to his friends house to play, I won't have to worry that his dad mistakenly left his gun cabinet unlocked.

 

Thanks for making my point.

[Yukon Cornelius]

Are you trying to force me into taking my ball and go home?

 

Lets see, gun looneys like yourself and all others should have criminal backround checks done before any gun purchase could be made. We can talk about "assault weapons" and "calibers" all we want but these people do not want to ban just assault weapons. They want to ban ALL guns and while they're at it aren't bows and BB guns kinda dangerous too?

here is an NRA nut

 

B.S.

[Perchoutofwater]

Ideal.

 

That way, when my son goes over to his friends house to play, I won't have to worry that his dad mistakenly left his gun cabinet unlocked.

 

Thanks for making my point.

 

Or, you could not be such a namby pamby and teach your kids to how to shoot guns and how to respect guns, that way when your kid goes over to his friends house and finds the gun safe open, he doesn't blow his head off.

[i_am_the_swammi]

Or, you could not be such a namby pamby and teach your kids to how to shoot guns and how to respect guns, that way when your kid goes over to his friends house and finds the gun safe open, he doesn't blow his head off.

 

 

Uh, my son 3 years old.

 

Thanks for caring about our youth. Have a nice life.

[Pope Flick]

Uh, my son 3 years old.

 

Thanks for caring about our youth. Have a nice life.

 

 

 

Then you shouldn't let him go to another house unattended. Or if you do, maybe you can get to know the people well enough first to make sure if they do have a gun collection it is handled properly or don't allow your kid to go there.

 

Being against gun control is NOT a lack of care for our youth. Nice try though.....

[Yukon Cornelius]

The only thing you offered is jabs. Lets discuss the matter at hand shall we? Rather than discussing each other.

 

ive discussed it here a million times... the sky is falling NRA( i am a member but not buy choice) needs to get a grip on reality... i own guns , a lot of gun and yet i have no fear of anyone taken any of them

[Perchoutofwater]

Uh, my son 3 years old.

 

Thanks for caring about our youth. Have a nice life.

 

 

My youngest is 5 and she knows her way around a gun. She and my oldest 8 share a .22. The oldest also has a 410. Both the girls always shoot supervised, but know enough about guns to know not to mess with them if they happen upon one (which they wouldn't in my house).

[i_am_the_swammi]

If you must keep guns in your home, then kudos for being one of the few that probably take the needed time to educate youngsters about gun safety...but..

 

My youngest is 5 and she knows her way around a gun.

 

gets a from me every day of the week.