Mangini Blackballed?

[51Butkus]

oh, BooHoo for Mangini??

[Savage Beatings]

It comes down to this... if Mangini wins with the Jets, someone will be there to offer him a job later on. That's the way of the NFL... success has a way of wiping clean all past transgressions.

 

If Mangini is not successul with the Jets, he'll still be able to parlay his career as an NFL Head Coach into some cushy College job somewhere. Guaranteed.

[Sturphy]

It comes down to this... if Mangini wins with the Jets, someone will be there to offer him a job later on. That's the way of the NFL... success has a way of wiping clean all past transgressions.

 

If Mangini is not successul with the Jets, he'll still be able to parlay his career as an NFL Head Coach into some cushy College job somewhere. Guaranteed.

Yep. I agree with this statement.

 

Success conquers all.

[muck]

The perfect TV network for the NFL

 

[SMF]

So you share the opinion that when Mangini is finished with his current stint in NY that team owners will not hire him in any capacity because of this incident?

 

By no means, but I do not think they will hire him because he has shown "integrity"

[piratesownninjas]

Which is why the league fined Mangini so much...

So you must believe that the Patriots, who've been dominating this league for this decade just started cheating this year?

Mangini was coaching there two years ago, and was around for some glory years. To believe that he never was involved in any of this at any time is asinine.

 

No links possible as I don't read on-line. I was talking about newspapers... USA Today, New York Times, Washington Post, etc. I did a lot of reading at an out-of-the-way gas station that sold them.

 

Von

So which one was it? They keep old records available on line. If you can narrow it down, I'm sure I could find it.

[Bronco Billy]

So you must believe that the Patriots, who've been dominating this league for this decade just started cheating this year?

Mangini was coaching there two years ago, and was around for some glory years. To believe that he never was involved in any of this at any time is asinine.

 

That's an outstanding rebuttal.

 

I'll concede the point.

 

[Rovers]

Riddle me this: If the Pats had been doing this when Mangini was there, was he the one doing it? Secondly, shouldn't Belichick have been smart enough to NOT do it against Mangini, if Mangini was in fact aware of it? Should Mangini in any case, just allowed Belichick to do this against his own team?

 

Blackballed? Nonsense. If Mangini proves to be a winner, there is no blackballing. There are a lot of HC's in the history of the NFL that had few friends, but that isn't what matters. It's about winning. If Mangini was doing this against the Pats, does anyone think Belichick would have done nothing about it? Both of these two coaches will attempt to get any advantage possible to win.... but so far, only Belichick has been proven to cheat. I'll say something else.... I don't think Mangini or Belichick could give a chit about their PR image. Both of them put winning far ahead of image. Franchise owners want guys like that.... win at all costs.

 

I tend to think that Belichicks treatment of Mangini came back to haunt him. If they were on speaking terms, does anyone think Mangini would have just called Belichick and said "Don't do that against us"? Belichick fired the first shots in this war, and he now reaps what he has sown.

[piratesownninjas]

Riddle me this: If the Pats had been doing this when Mangini was there, was he the one doing it? Secondly, shouldn't Belichick have been smart enough to NOT do it against Mangini, if Mangini was in fact aware of it? Should Mangini in any case, just allowed Belichick to do this against his own team?

If the Pats were doing this when Mangini was there, I'm sure he would have known about it. Thats when real integrity would have showed up...

And in order to answer the second part would hijack this thread, but to think that the patriots are the only team that does this is asinine as well...

I'll have to do some searching, but there is documentation of a non NFL camera man within the coaches box on the Jets sidelines with a video camera... By definition that is cheating as well.

[gilwiggum]

If the Pats were doing this when Mangini was there, I'm sure he would have known about it. Thats when real integrity would have showed up...

And in order to answer the second part would hijack this thread, but to think that the patriots are the only team that does this is asinine as well...

I'll have to do some searching, but there is documentation of a non NFL camera man within the coaches box on the Jets sidelines with a video camera... By definition that is cheating as well.

 

 

I agree with your second point here. I think that is why you don't have current coaches going overboard on this issue. You only hear players really attacking the Pats. Dungy however said it was disappointing, but hey as of right now he owns the PATS, cheating or no cheating.

[gd74]

From what I hear....living between Philly and NY.... Mangini had every right to rat him out. The word is that last year Magini put the word out to the Jets security people to be on the look out for the Pats video taping the signals. The Jets security people found the guy and escorted him from the sidelines but didnt confiscate anything.... but then this year the arrogant prick Bellicheat had the balls to send someone to video tape them again. I am sure Mangini told them to take the tapes and cameras if the security guys saw them again.

 

My true question is how arrogant is Bellichick to do it again after he had already been caught ? It seems that Mangini gave him a pass last year but then he does it again ???

 

Secondly being the head coach of the Jets... Mangini's only allegiance is to his organization and to his players.

[piratesownninjas]

Secondly being the head coach of the Jets... Mangini's only allegiance is to his organization and to his players.

And nothing to the guy who got you there in the first place?

[Rovers]

And nothing to the guy who got you there in the first place?

 

Mangini doesn't owe his career to Belichick. He served as an intern in Cleveland for no pay to get his foot in the door. He was a freakin ball boy at the age of 22 for cryin out loud. He was then hired by Parcells in NY and that was when he developed a relationship with Tannenbaum, who was an assistant to the GM back then. Tannenbaum replaced Bradway as GM, and hired Mangini, who had followed Belichick to NE. Mangini owes his career to himself, not Belichick, or Tannenbaum or anyone else. Mangini has earned his career, and he doesn't owe anyone. BTW, he is still close to Parcells.... while Belichick is alienated from both of them. I guess whatever job you have was based soley on something other than your own efforts?

[Czarina]

If Mangini is clean as a whistle, and there's no such thing as being blackballed...why did Billick go out of his way to call Mangini out for some shenanigans of his own last week?

 

There's absolutely an old boys network when it comes to coaching and front office type stuff...it's why schleps like Norv Turner keep ending up with jobs. Mangini broke ranks instead of handling it on his own. If he wins, and wins a lot he'll be fine. But if not, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him have to step back to a coordinator's job again.

 

I still find it a little funny how outraged you all seem to be getting over this. If Mangini had any smarts, he'd have warned his own guys ahead of time and changed up his signal calling to purposely screw around with the Pats.

[piratesownninjas]

Mangini doesn't owe his career to Belichick. He served as an intern in Cleveland for no pay to get his foot in the door. He was a freakin ball boy at the age of 22 for cryin out loud. He was then hired by Parcells in NY and that was when he developed a relationship with Tannenbaum, who was an assistant to the GM back then. Tannenbaum replaced Bradway as GM, and hired Mangini, who had followed Belichick to NE. Mangini owes his career to himself, not Belichick, or Tannenbaum or anyone else. Mangini has earned his career, and he doesn't owe anyone. BTW, he is still close to Parcells.... while Belichick is alienated from both of them. I guess whatever job you have was based soley on something other than your own efforts?

So Belichick did nothing to help him?

 

I think Mangini blew the whistle because he knew it would take the attention off of how terrible his team is.

[pig devilz]

Patriots are just cheaters, plain and simple. Have been since Bellicheat been there.

 

Remember the Ram's Superbowl, where the Pats were tackling WRs, and Faulk... had to have a rule emphasis. In fact if you catch the smaller articles in many newspapers, you would have noted that most teams that have played them complained about their cheating... of course before they were caught red-handed, these complaints were just seen as sour grapes from poor losers. Now everyone is seeing the truth in these past statements of cheating.

 

Patriots are cheaters!

 

Von

 

its idiotic comments like this that make defending Belichick very easy...

[Rovers]

So Belichick did nothing to help him?

 

I think Mangini blew the whistle because he knew it would take the attention off of how terrible his team is.

 

Sure, Belichick helped him, the same way Parcells helped Belichick, but remember, coaches don't get promoted just because they are nice guys, Belichick promoted Mangini because he thought that move would help him win, which means Mangini got promoted based on his track record, potential, and all of the other things that most managers look at before promoting a guy.... on merit.

 

I think Mangini blew the whistle because he saw Belichick getting an illegal advantage. So, you think this was all some clever scheme to deflect blame from how mediocre the Jets are?

[pig devilz]

My true question is how arrogant is Bellichick ......

 

i really dont fuçkin care! he doesnt have to be my best friend!

just the best coach in the NFL, which he is.

 

some of you people talk like you know him and your personaly offended

that he's not a likeable guy...so what!

[piratesownninjas]

So, you think this was all some clever scheme to deflect blame from how mediocre the Jets are?

1. The Jets aren't mediocre.

1a. They're horrid.

2. No, I don't think this was some scheme to cover up how horrid the Jets franchise is, I think he did it because he knows that he needs to do whatever he can to get BB suspended, as thats the only way the Jets will beat the Pats this year.

 

Mangini is a joke because he was on board when this stuff was going on in the first place, now that his check has a different signature he starts to blow the whistle... Eric Mangini... A man of integrity?

Maybe you guys think integrity means something else.

[Bill Swerski]

This may have been reported here already, but Billick apologized to Mangini today and said that he was just angry with the refs for not calling it. He also said that everybody does it and that he was angry that his team wasn't doing it as well.

[Vet]

I must admit, that I did not read every post in this thread - so forgive me if this has been said already.

 

First off - I hate Bellichick..as most of you know. But, unlike most Jets fans, I'm not a huge Mangini fan either - I think he still has alot to prove before I consider him anything other than an inexperianced middle of the road coach. However.....

 

The Lions and the Packers both brought these concerns up before the league last season. It was NFL security, not Jets security, that busted the guy doing the filming. So - while we may speculate that Mangini blew the whistle - we don't know that for a fact.

 

Secondly - In my opinion, any coach's allegiance should be to the team he is currently coaching - not someone that he used to work for. If someone is cheating against me and I know it, I call them on it. If I own a team and the opponent is cheating and I find out that my head coach knew about it and said nothing for fear of offending his old boss or offending other executives around the league, I don't want him as my head coach. So, if anything, I think Mangini raised his status among executives in the league.

 

The NYT article seems a bit melodramatic to me. Then again, it is the NYT.

 

Bottom line is, Mangini will be judged on his win-loss record, just like any other head coach. If he wins, teams will line up to hire him. If he doesn't win, he'll be just another long-forgotten has-been.

[Rovers]

1. The Jets aren't mediocre.

1a. They're horrid.

2. No, I don't think this was some scheme to cover up how horrid the Jets franchise is, I think he did it because he knows that he needs to do whatever he can to get BB suspended, as thats the only way the Jets will beat the Pats this year.

 

Mangini is a joke because he was on board when this stuff was going on in the first place, now that his check has a different signature he starts to blow the whistle... Eric Mangini... A man of integrity?

Maybe you guys think integrity means something else.

 

Incorrectomundo! The Jets are not a horrid team. They are the definition of mediocre. The more you post, the more I realise you have no clue. You keep saying things that you have no basis in publically known fact to base your opinions on. You seem to have an inside track.... as you KNOW that Mangini was a willing participant in this camera gate thing as a member of the Pats organization, so you are admitting that the Pats cheated in order to win thise rings? For how many years?

 

Let's stick to facts intead of homerism knee jerk defensiveness. It's quite likey that the Pats have ben doing this for years. Fact? No.... we don't know that. That knife cuts both ways.... condenm Mangini for complacency, and taint the Pats Super Bowl wins. You can't have it both ways. But, we will never know the facts. So to say the Pats championships as tainted is as baseless in known fact as it is to say Mangini was a part of the cheating. As a Pats fan, your views are horridly biased. Heck, we could sit here and guess that Mangini planned this for two years.... something a Pats homer might think, but it's pure conjecture. I could say the Pats never would have won a single Super Bowl if they didn't cheat.... but that would be equally biased and drenched in homerism.... like your opinions are.

 

Billick actually apologised to Mangini today. He said he coaches his team to screw with opponents snap counts... he said he was only complaing that the refs didn't call it. Mangini made the call to tell Billick that he doesn't coach that to his defense. Could be that some Jets players do it on their own. Heck, even Pete Kendall, who hates Mangini said the Jets don't coach that, and he'd never seen the D try it. Get some perspective, dude. I hope to the high heavens that people as one sided biased as you never serve jury duty. That requires objectively wieghing facts, and deciding if a law was broken.

 

Fact: The NFL's commish found Belichick guilty of cheating. Beichick didn't deny it. Mangini has not been. Deal with it. Since intergrity is so important to you.... why not practice what you preach? No NFL HC has been a saint, 'cept of course for Hermie Edwards (he'll tell you all about honesty while he lies through his teeth) but I am not convinced that the Pats championships are tainted..... I don't know how much, and for how long they broke the rules. Aside from that, they were good enough to win without cheating, which to me is the biggest head scratcher in all of this. UM.... by the way, there IS a reason Polian banned ALL sideline cameras at the AFC championship game in Indy...... but I'm sure your objective factual analysis will find a way to explain that away too.

 

Tell ya what..... avatar bet. You say the Jets are horrid, I say mediocre. If the Jets finish 8-8, you have a Jets avy for one month. If they don't, you tell me what avy I have to sport. Since the Jets are 0-2, this should be an easy one for you.

[piratesownninjas]

The more you post, the more I realise you have no clue.

Let's stick to facts intead of homerism knee jerk defensiveness.

I quit reading at this point...

Oh, and I'm a packers homer, dick.

[Rovers]

I quit reading at this point...

Oh, and I'm a packers homer, dick.

 

Ah, the name calling.... classy. I generally expect more from a Packer fan. They are usually well informed football savy fans that have some clue as to what they are talking about. There are always the exceptions however. So, wimping on the avatar bet? Yea, I thought as much, based on your uniformed idiotic rhetoric. You sure sound like a Pats fan!

[piratesownninjas]

Incorrectomundo! The Jets are not a horrid team. They are the definition of mediocre. The more you post, the more I realise you have no clue. You keep saying things that you have no basis in publically known fact to base your opinions on. You seem to have an inside track.... as you KNOW that Mangini was a willing participant in this camera gate thing as a member of the Pats organization, so you are admitting that the Pats cheated in order to win thise rings? For how many years?

 

Let's stick to facts intead of homerism knee jerk defensiveness. It's quite likey that the Pats have ben doing this for years. Fact? No.... we don't know that. That knife cuts both ways.... condenm Mangini for complacency, and taint the Pats Super Bowl wins. You can't have it both ways. But, we will never know the facts. So to say the Pats championships as tainted is as baseless in known fact as it is to say Mangini was a part of the cheating. As a Pats fan, your views are horridly biased. Heck, we could sit here and guess that Mangini planned this for two years.... something a Pats homer might think, but it's pure conjecture. I could say the Pats never would have won a single Super Bowl if they didn't cheat.... but that would be equally biased and drenched in homerism.... like your opinions are.

 

Billick actually apologised to Mangini today. He said he coaches his team to screw with opponents snap counts... he said he was only complaing that the refs didn't call it. Mangini made the call to tell Billick that he doesn't coach that to his defense. Could be that some Jets players do it on their own. Heck, even Pete Kendall, who hates Mangini said the Jets don't coach that, and he'd never seen the D try it. Get some perspective, dude. I hope to the high heavens that people as one sided biased as you never serve jury duty. That requires objectively wieghing facts, and deciding if a law was broken.

 

Fact: The NFL's commish found Belichick guilty of cheating. Beichick didn't deny it. Mangini has not been. Deal with it. Since intergrity is so important to you.... why not practice what you preach? No NFL HC has been a saint, 'cept of course for Hermie Edwards (he'll tell you all about honesty while he lies through his teeth) but I am not convinced that the Pats championships are tainted..... I don't know how much, and for how long they broke the rules. Aside from that, they were good enough to win without cheating, which to me is the biggest head scratcher in all of this. UM.... by the way, there IS a reason Polian banned ALL sideline cameras at the AFC championship game in Indy...... but I'm sure your objective factual analysis will find a way to explain that away too.

 

Tell ya what..... avatar bet. You say the Jets are horrid, I say mediocre. If the Jets finish 8-8, you have a Jets avy for one month. If they don't, you tell me what avy I have to sport. Since the Jets are 0-2, this should be an easy one for you.

This is a message board for a Fantasy Football site, why not bitch at DMD for having projections because as you say, lets stick with FACTS... I believe me stating that Bilicheck has been a coach for years now and would have no reason to just all of the sudden start cheating. You say I'm making stuff up or that I have an inside track, I call it being realistic. Someone who has been that successful for this long is probably not going to just start cheating out of nowhere. You can call me ignorant or what have you, but I really don't think so.

As far as your cute comment "condenm Mangini for complacency, and taint the Pats Super Bowl wins. You can't have it both ways." is fun. You're reading what you want to read into it. Did the Patriots cheat? Yes. Do I believe that they've been doing it for years, Yes. Do I believe Mangini was involved, yes. Does this give me an inside track? No, but I am pretty good at drawling conclusions. Live in your gang green world, I'll live in the real one.

Another gem in your above post started talking about Billick... Good for you. I don't know what that has to do with Mangini being a turd...

You read into it what you want to read, this is why you're a joke.

I don't care about the Patriots, or the Jets, so I'm coming from outside either party. You're acting as if I'm a Brady loving Patriot fan is laughable at best. Ask the resident Pats homer Sleeping King... I'm probably the most anti Boston person on the boards, but I think the Spygate scandal is a joke. Was it illegal? Yes, do I think over half the league does it, yes. Shanny in Denver said he has guys with binoculars at every game trying to crack the code. If he's willing to use binoculars, whats keeping him from having a camera somewhere? And is there really a difference in using binoculars and camera's? Its still cheating either way.

 

Ah, the name calling.... classy. I generally expect more from a Packer fan. They are usually well informed football savy fans that have some clue as to what they are talking about. There are always the exceptions however. So, wimping on the avatar bet? Yea, I thought as much, based on your uniformed idiotic rhetoric. You sure sound like a Pats fan!

And the name calling thing, its awesome. I'm not the guy who said something along the lines of "Everytime you post I realize you have no clue what you're talking about"

But yeah, I'm the one in the wrong...

And finally, your avatar bet... Once again, I couldn't care less if the Jets go 8-8, 10-6 or 4-12. Why would I bet something on something that I care nothing about? Oh, but you're right, I'm whimping out...

 

Do not use an ellipsis if you can't use it correctly.

 

One last thing, as far as sticking to facts... You better not have posted a single thing on the Mike Vick case until he admitted his guilt, as none of us knew at that point in time.