Egret Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 So, why does Congress get involved in stuff like this? Seems like a waste of taxpayer money to me. Shouldn't this be strictly a MLB issue? If the League doesn't want to allow steroids or HGH, so be it... but I don't want my Congressman or Senator to get invovled at any point in a sports related ruling. Am I wrong about that? Does it also have to do with baseball's special anti-trust relationship with congress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Was Tiger Woods on that list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Does it also have to do with baseball's special anti-trust relationship with congress? Yes, not to mention the billions of taxpayer dollars used to subsidize the respective franchises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I agree and its sort of my point..Clemens is up there with Bonds as far as accomplishments and I think that is the scale these guys are going to be judged on.. if all these mvps are on the list and we all know there are many many more. doesnt it kinda prove bonds is still a stud. everyone was taking the stuff, yet no one could match his numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montster Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 if all these mvps are on the list and we all know there are many many more. doesnt it kinda prove bonds is still a stud. everyone was taking the stuff, yet no one could match his numbers. i think you're on to something. what if someone started an "anything goes" type of rival baseball league, where players could take anything they wanted and everyone is assumed to be juiced? it could be called XLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 i think you're on to something. what if someone started an "anything goes" type of rival baseball league, where players could take anything they wanted and everyone is assumed to be juiced? it could be called XLB. Kinda like this form of the olympics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshi17 Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Former Senator Mitchell. There are also no prominent Red Sox players mentioned in the report, which is at least somewhat curious because Mitchell refused to resign from his role as part of the Red Sox management team during this investigation. Mitchell denied giving any special treatment to the Red Sox because of his title. Yep I sure believe that after all you can always trust a politician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshi17 Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) Was Tiger Woods on that list? No and John Daly either! Is this the same stuff that I'm always getting e-mails about? You know the make your package 3" bigger etc. Edited December 14, 2007 by jackshi17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) Former Senator Mitchell. There are also no prominent Red Sox players mentioned in the report, which is at least somewhat curious because Mitchell refused to resign from his role as part of the Red Sox management team during this investigation. Mitchell denied giving any special treatment to the Red Sox because of his title. Yep I sure believe that after all you can always trust a politician. Mitchell also released the information about Paul Byrd's HGH purchases in the middle of this year's ALCS. I think it's fair to say that he has some ulterior motives in this investigation. Edited December 14, 2007 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Does it also have to do with baseball's special anti-trust relationship with congress? Exactly. ISMHO baseball has long since outgrown it's anti-trust exemption but is desperate to keep it, hence Congress takes a special interest in things baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhoops Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Former Senator Mitchell. There are also no prominent Red Sox players mentioned in the report, which is at least somewhat curious because Mitchell refused to resign from his role as part of the Red Sox management team during this investigation. Mitchell denied giving any special treatment to the Red Sox because of his title. Yep I sure believe that after all you can always trust a politician. FWIW, many of us up here think he should have resigned his post during this investigation. Hey Gagne and Donnelly were named..... I also don't think that this list is inclusive, it's only the tip of the iceberg.......was Mcgwire mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) Still shocked over Petite making the list Edited December 14, 2007 by isleseeya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted December 14, 2007 Author Share Posted December 14, 2007 Still shocked over Petite making the list I'm not. He is basically Rogers Mini me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 I'm not. He is basically Rogers Mini me no doubt ..still a bit extreme to go that far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 I'm not. He is basically Mimi Rogers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 tip of the iceberg imo. i am sure that some of those names are speculation, but for every one cleared there are 2 not mentioned doing them (or did them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Prodded further about players not included, Canseco said this of Alex Rodriguez: "All I can say is the Mitchell Report is incomplete. I could not believe that his name was not in the report." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted December 16, 2007 Author Share Posted December 16, 2007 (edited) Petitte owned up to briefly using hgh. Clemens through his lawyer is vehemently denying the charges New York Yankees starting pitcher Andy Pettitte, left, confers with pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre in the dugout during a baseball game against the Philadelphia Phillies after appearing in his first game since March 3 because of a strained left elbow in this March 25, 2002 file photo in Clearwater, Fla. Pettitte used human growth hormone to recover from an elbow injury in 2002, the New York Yankees pitcher said two days after he was cited in the Mitchell Report. "If what I did was an error in judgment on my part, I apologize," Pettitte said Saturday, Dec. 15, 2007 in a statement released by his agent. "I accept responsibility for those two days." AP - Dec 15, 5:27 pm EST More Photos NEW YORK (AP) -- Andy Pettitte used human growth hormone to recover from an elbow injury in 2002, the New York Yankees pitcher admitted two days after he was cited in the Mitchell Report. Pettitte said he tried HGH on two occasions, stressing he did it to heal faster and not enhance his performance. He emphasized he never used steroids. "If what I did was an error in judgment on my part, I apologize," Pettitte said Saturday in a statement released by his agent. "I accept responsibility for those two days." On Thursday, Pettitte was among 85 players named by former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell's investigation into steroids and performance-enhancing drugs. Pettitte had not commented publicly on the allegations. Pettitte asked the trainer he shared with Roger Clemens, Brian McNamee, to help him with HGH while on the disabled list early in the 2002 season, the report said. McNamee recalled injecting Pettitte two to four times, Mitchell said. ADVERTISEMENT HGH wasn't banned by baseball until January 2005. "In 2002 I was injured. I had heard that human growth hormone could promote faster healing for my elbow," Pettitte said in the statement released to The Associated Press by agent Randy Hendricks. "I felt an obligation to get back to my team as soon as possible. For this reason, and only this reason, for two days I tried human growth hormone. Though it was not against baseball rules, I was not comfortable with what I was doing, so I stopped. "This is it -- two days out of my life; two days out of my entire career, when I was injured and on the disabled list," he said. "I wasn't looking for an edge. I was looking to heal." Pettitte was not linked to steroids in the report, and said he never had never used them. "I have the utmost respect for baseball and have always tried to live my life in a way that would be honorable," he said. "If I have let down people that care about me, I am sorry, but I hope that you will listen to me carefully and understand that two days of perhaps bad judgment should not ruin a lifetime of hard work and dedication. "I have tried to do things the right way my entire life, and, again, ask that you put those two days in the proper context. People that know me will know that what I say is true," he said. The Yankees backed Pettitte. "Late this afternoon, Andy Pettitte advised us that he would be making a public statement. We support his coming forward," the team said in a statement. The 35-year-old lefty is 201-113 lifetime. He started his major league career in 1995 and won four World Series championships with the Yankees. He pitched for his hometown Houston Astros from 2004-06 and helped them reach their first World Series. Pettitte returned to the Yankees last season and went 15-9. This month, he put off retirement and agreed to a $16 million, one-year contract to play for the Yankees next season. Mitchell devoted 1 1/2 pages to McNamee's testimony about Pettitte. Clemens was mentioned on nearly nine pages, with McNamee saying he injected the star pitcher. Clemens was accused of using steroids and HGH and, through his lawyer, vehemently denied the accusations. When Clemens joined the Yankees in 1999, he and Pettitte became fast friends and training partners. McNamee was part of their regimen -- Clemens had worked with him in Toronto before being traded to New York. According to the Mitchell Report, Pettitte asked McNamee about using HGH after the 2001 season, and the trainer said he discouraged the pitcher from trying it. Edited December 16, 2007 by whomper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 (edited) "If what I did was an error in judgment on my part, I apologize," Pettitte said Saturday in a statement released by his agent. I fricking hate that crap. Take the word "IF" out of your apologies, athletes. It removes any substance from them. Also, Pettite has already publicly lied about taking HGH after someone accused him of it a few years ago. Why should anyone believe this story, when he's shown that he's part of the deny deny deny club? Worthless statement ISMHO. Edited December 16, 2007 by AtomicCEO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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