pig devilz Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 'greatest all time' is a media driven clusterf*ck of a statement. it cant be proven or disproven...it's an invitation for debate, not a Title. this Patriots season will go down in history and be compared adnaseum to the many great teams of the past and the many great teams yet to come in the future. like it or not, agree or not, it will. it's very simple...what the Patriots have done, 18-0 and all the records they have set are fact and records in the record books. they cant be taken away. so do those things make them the best all time? it's debatable. but when you have done something that no one else has ever done, in any walk of life not just sports, it certainly puts you at the top of the field and you become the benchmark. even to be considerd in the debate/conversation is a win win. great thread that really has no definite answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 How about a 45 yd passing TD to Moss when up 31-7 at the time with 10:28 to go in the game vs BUF in week 3? How about a 14 yd TD pass to Moss when up 27-13 at the time with 3:24 to go in the game vs CIN in week 4? How about a 16 yd TD pass to Welker when up 42-21 at the time with 8:18 to go in the game vs MIA in week 7? How about a 2 yd TD pass to Welker when up 38-0 at the time with 9:09 to go in the game vs WAS in week 8? The only one that might even be slightly arguable would be the TD vs CIN given their O, but running plays leading to a FG at worse would have put NE up by 3 scores with less than 3 minutes to go in the game. Those are garbage time TDs (as well as the passing yds in the drives that lead to the TDs), my friend, whether you want to admit it or not. good research and makes some pts Agreed. It does make them a great team - I'd argue that they are a great team regardless of the outcome of the SB - but it doesn't make them the greatest team ever. likely agree with this as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Pat!!! Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 I think it's been said aready, but this is the greatest season ever by one team. But as for the greatest team ever? Impossible to know, one way or the other. Teams from the 70's, obviously, can never play these teams with either's rules. It's a great debate, but not provable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinpig Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 How about a 45 yd passing TD to Moss when up 31-7 at the time with 10:28 to go in the game vs BUF in week 3? How about a 14 yd TD pass to Moss when up 27-13 at the time with 3:24 to go in the game vs CIN in week 4? How about a 16 yd TD pass to Welker when up 42-21 at the time with 8:18 to go in the game vs MIA in week 7? How about a 2 yd TD pass to Welker when up 38-0 at the time with 9:09 to go in the game vs WAS in week 8? The only one that might even be slightly arguable would be the TD vs CIN given their O, but running plays leading to a FG at worse would have put NE up by 3 scores with less than 3 minutes to go in the game. Those are garbage time TDs (as well as the passing yds in the drives that lead to the TDs), my friend, whether you want to admit it or not. have you ever watched a football game? 24 points (3 scores) can't be made up in 10:28 14 points can't be made up in 3:24 21 points can't be made up in 8:18 38 points can't...well ONE out of four ain't bad... what does it prove anyway?...you think none of those other 'great' teams had garbage time TDs?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Does having players restructure contracts and other players signing for less to be on a winning team take away from the" parity"? It seems like some teams have adjusted to working around the cap better than others and parity is just an illusion. Parity is there to challenge every team to do what it needs to to rise above the rest. All parity really does is elevate management / coaching skills and devalue the Steinbrenner-style pocketbook. Seems to me that the Patriots are being criticized for having excellent management at every level - coaching, GM, drafting, FA, cap specialists, the works. I dunno but all this whining about the Patriots stinks of "I wish my team knew what the F they were doing like the Pats do". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 I've read that the pats are one dimensional on offense and their defense is old and vulnerable. And yet, not one team has defeated them. I guess the entire NFL sucks except for the patriots, who are medicore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtra Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Parity is there to challenge every team to do what it needs to to rise above the rest. All parity really does is elevate management / coaching skills and devalue the Steinbrenner-style pocketbook. Seems to me that the Patriots are being criticized for having excellent management at every level - coaching, GM, drafting, FA, cap specialists, the works. I dunno but all this whining about the Patriots stinks of "I wish my team knew what the F they were doing like the Pats do". Not criticizing,just trying to figure out if there is actually more parity on the field than there was before the "parity era".The way you explain it,it seems the answer is no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 How many of us wish that pretty much the only area left to pick on our favorite teams is that it can't be one of the greatest ever. I'd be happy if the Gators record sucked as much as the Patriots (and I agree with Chavez, the patriots would lose 2-3 games if they played in the SEC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Pat!!! Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 (edited) How many of us wish that pretty much the only area left to pick on our favorite teams is that it can't be one of the greatest ever. I'd be happy if the Gators record sucked as much as the Patriots (and I agree with Chavez, the patriots would lose 2-3 games if they played in the SEC). that's a good one. There are very few, if any, teams in the NFL that would lose 3 games in the SEC. Edited January 29, 2008 by Bring Back Pat!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Not criticizing,just trying to figure out if there is actually more parity on the field than there was before the "parity era".The way you explain it,it seems the answer is no. IMO, parity has had several positive effects. The biggest is obviously to prevent a football version of the Yankees / Red Sox. Plus almost every team (except Detroit of course) starts the season with some hope and there are a lot of worst-to-first instances......and first-to-worst too. These are good things, I think. Like I already said, coaching and game planning are now much more at a premium. On top of this, the GM and personnel roles are much more important than they were. Has all this led to less parity in practice, paradoxically? Maybe (though I don't personally think so), but if it has, it's only because of the skills of those involved, not because one owner is a moneybags and another is a parsimonious tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 [/b] that's a good one. There are very few, if any, teams in the NFL that would lose 3 games in the SEC. There are no teams in the NFL that would lose to any college team, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROYALWITCHEESE Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 The Pats are NOT the gratest team of all time Nope not the gratest team. They are, however, in the conversation to be the greatest team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 [/b] that's a good one. There are very few, if any, teams in the NFL that would lose 3 games in the SEC. You can say many things but never say Chavez is wrong. Never. Any time, any place, bish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 If the Patriots win the Super Bowl, in my mind, they will be the greatest single-season team of all-time. As for their dynasty, it will join the Steelers, Cowboys, & 49'ers dynasties. Any argument to which one was the best is silly, as their isn't a correct answer, just opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 How many of us wish that pretty much the only area left to pick on our favorite teams is that it can't be one of the greatest ever. I'd be happy if the Gators record sucked as much as the Patriots (and I agree with Chavez, the patriots would lose 2-3 games if they played in the SEC). [/b] that's a good one. There are very few, if any, teams in the NFL that would lose 3 games in the SEC. Well gee, I guess you got him there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 have you ever watched a football game? No, I've never watched a football game. Have you ever screwed a pig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 I dunno but all this whining about the Patriots stinks of "I wish my team knew what the F they were doing like the Pats do". NE is a great team. I'd actually enjoy the way they go about dismantling teams if they'd show just a modicum of class on & off the field. They've earned the right to pretty much give the finger to the rest of the football world - but it shouldn't be a surprise when that behavior earns a backlash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD6405 Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Oh man, I just realized something that that Charger reporter left out! The Patriots lucked out on Wes Welker too! If the Chargers hadn't cut him after one game in 2003, he may still be with them!! Darn those Chargers making the Pats what they are today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted January 29, 2008 Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 Agreed. It does make them a great team - I'd argue that they are a great team regardless of the outcome of the SB - but it doesn't make them the greatest team ever. WOW! Dorado, Yellow Tail, Yellow Fin, Albies and a few Black Stripers to boot! ~~~ ~~~ Go away for day and look what happens. Actually there are some great points in this thread, and I have to agree that a win on Sunday could equate to the greatest single season of any team ever. Greatest team? Meh! I am personnally pulling for it to happen because of the two "cherry picked" ex-Chargers that are on that team (Seau, Harrison). I want to see THEM get a ring, the rest of the team and orgianization I could give a good "morning effort" for. So, mark me as a bitter Charger fan, , whatever. And though I totally disrespect forever a head coach that would get caught cheating, that SAME BITTER CHARGER JOURNALIST posted this article this morning. Just like the first article, I can't find much to argue with in this piece either. Face it, Belichick knows how to coach ( Cut from article ) Look, no one ever has said an NFL coach has to be a saint. Believe me, not many of them are lining up at the Vatican's canonization booth. They're not taking a number. It's a matter of the players – good players, by the way – buying into your bit. It's interesting to think what goes into the making of a great football coach. With Belichick, it's fascinating, because he had been a head coach in Cleveland, where he couldn't win and got canned. There are those who believe the major reason Bill Parcells won two Super Bowls with the Giants was because Belichick was his defensive coordinator. Not so impartial now, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 WOW! Dorado, Yellow Tail, Yellow Fin, Albies and a few Black Stripers to boot! ~~~ ~~~ Go away for day and look what happens. Actually there are some great points in this thread, and I have to agree that a win on Sunday could equate to the greatest single season of any team ever. Greatest team? Meh! I am personnally pulling for it to happen because of the two "cherry picked" ex-Chargers that are on that team (Seau, Harrison). I want to see THEM get a ring, the rest of the team and orgianization I could give a good "morning effort" for. So, mark me as a bitter Charger fan, , whatever. And though I totally disrespect forever a head coach that would get caught cheating, that SAME BITTER CHARGER JOURNALIST posted this article this morning. Just like the first article, I can't find much to argue with in this piece either. Face it, Belichick knows how to coach ( Cut from article ) Look, no one ever has said an NFL coach has to be a saint. Believe me, not many of them are lining up at the Vatican's canonization booth. They're not taking a number. It's a matter of the players – good players, by the way – buying into your bit. It's interesting to think what goes into the making of a great football coach. With Belichick, it's fascinating, because he had been a head coach in Cleveland, where he couldn't win and got canned. There are those who believe the major reason Bill Parcells won two Super Bowls with the Giants was because Belichick was his defensive coordinator. Not so impartial now, huh? I'm o.k. with everything, except your support of Rodney Harrison. That guy is a jacka$$, former Charger or not, I don't see how anyone can support him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhoops Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 If the Patriots win the Super Bowl, in my mind, they will be the greatest single-season team of all-time. As for their dynasty, it will join the Steelers, Cowboys, & 49'ers dynasties. Any argument to which one was the best is silly, as their isn't a correct answer, just opinions. 100% Agree with Above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 I'm o.k. with everything, except your support of Rodney Harrison. That guy is a jacka$$, former Charger or not, I don't see how anyone can support him. +1 cheap shots + HGH use = d0uchebag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanCT Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 alot of yards and i am sure TD's came in garbage time of the 4th quarter ... please prove me wrong ..pretty please Better yet, why don't you or Bronco Billy prove yourselves right. Go ahead and list every TD Brady threw in the 4th quarter of a clear blowout... "pretty please". It really is ok for you guys to do your own research rather than just regurgitate garbage spewed by other people who don't know what they are talking about either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Better yet, why don't you or Bronco Billy prove yourselves right. Go ahead and list every TD Brady threw in the 4th quarter of a clear blowout... "pretty please". It really is ok for you guys to do your own research rather than just regurgitate garbage spewed by other people who don't know what they are talking about either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) +1 cheap shots + HGH use = d0uchebag +1 on the d0uche nozzle. Edited January 30, 2008 by budlitebrad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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