muck Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 great kicker yes but he also had the strongest arm in football when he was playing and maybe ever ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilly Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 Congrats to Gary Zimmerman! The dude was simply dominant in his day, earned nine (I think) trips to the Pro Bowl, and was elected to not one, but TWO All Decade teams. I wonder if he'll go in as a Viking or a Bronco? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 I dunno man, I look at that list and I see 4 no-brainers huh? how many of those guys were on their first ballot? i think green might be the only one. most of those guys had been passed by more than once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share Posted February 3, 2008 Probably could vote for only one wideout. Monk before Carter. Next year Carter for sure! Player rec yards TD years Monk 940 12721 68 14 Carter 1101 13899 130 12 Irvin 750 11904 65 12 Even with Carter's one game with Miami counted as a season, he averaged 10.8 touchdowns a year. There is no way that Irvin should have gotten in over Monk and Cris Carter not. Just throwing Irvin in as he was the last WR to get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 huh? how many of those guys were on their first ballot? i think green might be the only one. most of those guys had been passed by more than once. So, Art Monk in the Hall of Fame isn't a no brainer? Andre Tippett wasn't LT-lite for a good chunk of the 80s? Gary Zimmerman wasn't one of the best OLs in the league for a decade or so? Whether or not they were voted in, they have the credentials. I think Art Monk's long wait shows that the HoF voting process is, at best, flawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 So, Art Monk in the Hall of Fame isn't a no brainer? Andre Tippett wasn't LT-lite for a good chunk of the 80s? Gary Zimmerman wasn't one of the best OLs in the league for a decade or so? Whether or not they were voted in, they have the credentials. I think Art Monk's long wait shows that the HoF voting process is, at best, flawed. Wasn't Zimmerman part of two different All Decade teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 There a good blurb by Peter King in this weeks Monday Morning QB column about the voting process (he has a vote). It just boils down to too many good WRs this year. He also doesn't think much of Tags chances (even though he introduced him again this year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 There a good blurb by Peter King in this weeks Monday Morning QB column about the voting process (he has a vote). It just boils down to too many good WRs this year. He also doesn't think much of Tags chances (even though he introduced him again this year). That idiot King is one of the reasons it took Monk so long to get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 So, Art Monk in the Hall of Fame isn't a no brainer? apparently not, since it took him 8 f'n tries to finally make it. Andre Tippett wasn't LT-lite for a good chunk of the 80s? Gary Zimmerman wasn't one of the best OLs in the league for a decade or so? same answer. Whether or not they were voted in, they have the credentials. uhh.....yeah, that is why i said it was a good list. a list of highly deserving candidates who had been back-burnered for far too long. i'm not sure why you decided to argue with me about that since you are now basically saying the exact same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I had a feeling he wouldn't make it on the first ballot, but I was shocked as I thought Carter was the lock to make it this year. +1 Carter was a bad-ass and I agree that he was one of the Top 15 to ever play the position. Should've gotten in this year. Monk is finally in; sadly, I think he's the last of the 80s/90s WRs who gets in due to the offensive "grade inflation" that has taken place since. Quality players like Henry Ellard, Herman Moore, and Andre Rison probably don't even get a sniff at this point. Agreed about Ellard, but Moore and Rison played most of their careers in the '90s and only had about 4-6 dominant seasons each. Neither matches up to the bad-asses of their time, IMO (Rice, Brown, Carter, Reed, Irvin, etc.). Of the guys who will be eligible next, Isaac Bruce and Andre Reed appear to be the "standard" for eventual HOF selection... and I'm not even sure that Bruce will get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I think it's fairly obvious that the HOF has some bias against WRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcmast Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 He should get in next year. I guess they didn't think he was a "first ballot" HOFer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 uhh.....yeah, that is why i said it was a good list. a list of highly deserving candidates who had been back-burnered for far too long. i'm not sure why you decided to argue with me about that since you are now basically saying the exact same thing. You were saying they weren't huge "names" - I disagree on that. Even casual fans knew of Green, Monk, and Tippett. Zimmerman was an OL, so is a bit more obscure for the average fan, but if PON is correct was highly regarded within the game. We all know that the HoF voting process is flawed; I got the impression you were saying the committee went deep into the vaults for these guys, and I just didn't think it was so - at least 3 of the 5 guys (Zim, Green, Tippett; again, Emmitt Thomas excepted because I'm not that familiar with him) were regarded as among the best at their position for the better part of a decade. I'm personally a bit less convinced that Monk was all that and a bag of chips, but retiring with the "NFL's All-Time Leading Receiver" is resume enough for his part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 STILL no place for Jim Marshall. You're kidding. He's not in yet?? Quality players like Henry Ellard, Herman Moore, and Andre Rison probably don't even get a sniff at this point. er nor should they. the HoF voting process is, at best, flawed.And it'll only get worse as the "stats are everything" younger dweebs start replacing the old school guys with (IMO) more of a clue what "best ever" really means ie you can't just look at stats, pro bowls etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Cris Carter will get in if not this year. Jim Marshall not in is an embarrassment to the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Scorp Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 How in the Hell does Tippett get in & Randy Gradishar is locked out yet again? Gradishar spent 10 years as starter putting up better per-game numbers in most sifgnificant LB categories than Ray Lewis has. Are you telling me that Tippett has a better resume, or that Lewis will be kept out of the HoF for even the first year he is eligible, much less the ridiculous succesion of years that gradishar has endured the snub? What a joke. Just another confirmation that the vast majority of sports writers do not have even a modicum of understanding of the sport they cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Thanks for that unbiased reply. I think both are worthy, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Glad for Art Monk. Richard Dent got rooked, though. Andre Tippett? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 You're kidding. He's not in yet?? Nope. Marshall played 282 consecutive games (starting 270 consecutive) in an era of a 14 game season. That's 20 years without missing a game and 19 years without missing a start. Even though Feagles has gone past him, he's a punter. Marshall was in the trenches the entire time. I can't even begin to get my head around how it's possible to play 20 years straight, most of them outdoors in the coldest venue in the league when the game was less regulated than it is now. Jim Marshall not in is an embarrassment to the NFL. I am no Vikings fan but this is +1,000,000. The HoF is unworthy without Marshall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Fred Dean and Andre Tippett over guys like DT Marshall McDaniel Carter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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