what are you doing?

[detlef]

He said "adult job".

Like running the sporting goods counter at K-mart?

[AtomicCEO]

I'm LDS. We are taught to store food in case of emergencies. It is recommended to try to get a 1 year supply. They do not say anything about shooting other people, that is all me. I'm not going to let my family die because you didn't take precautions. If it between my family and you, then you lose every time. If I have enough to share then I'll share, but if it comes down to it, I'll protect my family with my dying breath, and protecting my family also include protecting their food supply. If you can't understand this, then I feel sorry for your family. BTW I appreciate your attempt to degrade my religion.

 

"And the lord sayeth... kill all who need your food, because screw them for not being prepared. Am I right?"

- Jesus

 

I love religious people. Especially the ones that actually believe in heaven, yet don't stand a chance in hell of achieving it if it does exist.

 

I believe in being fast and mobile. Live off the land until you can find a permanent community in need of the other skills I've aquired over a lifetime. That includes hunting, fishing, farming, cooking, beer brewing, wine making, alcohol distillation, electrical engineering, logging (without gasoline), and a host of other things that will only become important when you need them.

 

If I did have a heavily fortified compound in post-apocolyptic America, I would definitely have a sign outside the armored gate that said "Wanted: Beer brewer". That's pretty smart thinking right there.

[BillyBalata]

But I have no problem shooting anyone I don't know right in the forehead from 300 yards if things go sour.

 

Don't be so hasty to shoot. Some of those people can be put to good use!

 

 

build some human sized hamster wheels and poof!!! you have a generator!!!!

[Perchoutofwater]

For those of you with generators, why not get some sort of solar dealeo that doesn't require gas or being hooked up to the grid?

 

It is cost prohibitive like Tim said. Also you have to have a good amount of direct sun light. When your house has large trees all around it, you won't get a lot of direct sun light.

[rajncajn]

It is cost prohibitive like Tim said. Also you have to have a good amount of direct sun light. When your house has large trees all around it, you won't get a lot of direct sun light.

You'd want to cut those trees away from your compound anyway, they only provide cover for the infiltrators.

Edited May 27, 2009 by rajncajn

[Perchoutofwater]

You forget, just like nobody here who bets on sports ever loses, everyone here who thinks they're bad ass will be part of that 2%.

 

Somehow, randomly, this collection of guys who's main common thread is an inclination to spend a ton of time on computers researching football stats, just happened to contain most of the capable marksmen and commandos in our society. It's pretty cool when you think about it.

 

Shooting isn't hard, it just takes a little bit of practice and simple math. My 11 year old daughter can out shoot most people I know with iron sights, including me. Now give me some nice optics, and I can shoot about as well as anyone, and better than most. It is just practice, and math. It is a fun hobby.

[Hugh 0ne]

You'd want to cut those trees away from your compound anyway, they only provide cover for the infiltrators.

 

In TEXAS, OUR TEXAS, OH HAIL THE MIGHTY STATE, TEXAS OUR TEXAS, SO WONDERFUL AND GREAT... they're called infidels.

[Perchoutofwater]

"And the lord sayeth... kill all who need your food, because screw them for not being prepared. Am I right?"

- Jesus

 

I love religious people. Especially the ones that actually believe in heaven, yet don't stand a chance in hell of achieving it if it does exist.

 

 

Go back and read your bible, a lot of people died. God killed some directly, his people killed others. I may be wrong, but I don't think God is going to have a problem with me protecting my family. Don't get me wrong, if I have a surplus, I'll be happy to share, but if it comes down to me killing some one fast in order to make sure my family doesn't die slow, then I'll kill someone fast.

[Perchoutofwater]

You'd want to cut those trees away from your compound anyway, they only provide cover for the infiltrators.

 

Like I said earlier, I'm not really into the compound thing with the exception of food storage. I do that mainly because my church suggested it and it makes sense. It wasn't that long ago that some people were complaining about not being able to get all the rice they want. We store stuff we are going to eat anyway, and just eat some and replace it. I'm not overly concerned about having to defend myself or my family, if I was, I'd have been buying tactical rifles instead of deer rifles. I happen to like trees, and don't want to make an environmental wacko cry. I actually did look into going to solar but he payout was way to long, and I would have to cut a bunch of trees which would increase my energy consumption due to my AC having to work harder.

[detlef]

Shooting isn't hard, it just takes a little bit of practice and simple math. My 11 year old daughter can out shoot most people I know with iron sights, including me. Now give me some nice optics, and I can shoot about as well as anyone, and better than most. It is just practice, and math. It is a fun hobby.

Oh, and here I thought we were talking about taking someone's life before they take yours. I must have missed the part where the topic diverged to target practice. From what I understand, killing someone is not an easy thing to do. I think that's probably a good thing.

[TimC]

I'd wager that Michigan will be the last place to fall. Who will want to invade it and how will we tell when it's blown up?

[westvirginia]

Oh, and here I thought we were talking about taking someone's life before they take yours. I must have missed the part where the topic diverged to target practice. From what I understand, killing someone is not an easy thing to do. I think that's probably a good thing.

 

Well, it depends. According to Tim canadians and yankees aren't really human. Then you have H8 saying we can kill all the m00slims, and I'm sure I've read somewhere about messicans, so if I'm in WV that only leaves white people, and few enough of them.

[wiegie]

I'd wager that Michigan will be the last place to fall. Who will want to invade it and how will we tell when it's blown up?

TimC, you are now officially the first huddler that I am inviting up to come enjoy some food that I have cooked on my Weber Kettle Charcoal grill.

[dmarc117]

I'd wager that Michigan will be the last place to fall. Who will want to invade it and how will we tell when it's blown up?

 

 

lots of fresh water, fish, and resources in northern mi. the sw desert states will be toast.

[TimC]

TimC, you are now officially the first huddler that I am inviting up to come enjoy some food that I have cooked on my Weber Kettle Charcoal grill.

 

A Socialist Benito Mussolini Bologna Burger? Sounds delicious. I'd like mine sliced extra thick like my New America taxes.

[wiegie]

A Socialist Benito Mussolini Bologna Burger? Sounds delicious.

Well, I was originally thinking horse filets, but I suppose Bologna Burgers would work too.

[Perchoutofwater]

Oh, and here I thought we were talking about taking someone's life before they take yours. I must have missed the part where the topic diverged to target practice. From what I understand, killing someone is not an easy thing to do. I think that's probably a good thing.

 

Go back and re-read what I've written. I've stated that I'm not overly concerned with having to hunker down. If I was, I would be buying AR's, AK's, and SKS's in lieu of Winchester 94's and Browning X-bolts. I've even said that I've been using this as an excuse to get firearms I wanted without having to listen to the wife complain. I'm using it as an excuse to buy some land for hunting, not because I think I'm going to need it to feed my family, but because I enjoy hunting and my kids enjoy hunting. I'm not worried. I am prepared, but that has more to do with my religion, my occupation, and my hobbies than it does from a sense of foreboding. So yeah, it is about target practice and my hobbies.

 

Someone made a comment about protecting their family, and you basically looked down your nose at them. I just jumped in and agreed with them. You don't have kids, so you probably don't understand. If it came down to me having to protect a food supply so that my family could live, I have no qualms about putting a bullet in someone. Just like I pity the fool that every tries to break into my house, because I'll put him down.

[H8tank]

From what I understand, killing someone is not an easy thing to do. I think that's probably a good thing.

 

Oh, it's not that hard.

 

Man Shoots, Kills Intruder In Home

Homeowner Returns Home For Lunch, Finds Intruder

 

POSTED: 12:52 pm CDT May 26, 2009 – KOCO

 

OKLAHOMA CITY — An Oklahoma City homeowner shot and killed a man he said he found inside his home Tuesday.

 

The homeowner came home for lunch and saw a strange blue pickup truck in driveway at SW 57th Street and Barnes Avenue, he told officers. He said he confronted a man inside his home and shot him.

 

The man died. Officers have not disclosed his name.

 

The homeowner’s wife said her husband has a conceal-and-carry license.

[The Holy Roller]

Darwinian laws will prevail. The skinny (no fat reserves) will be the first to go. Then the stupids, ("I said don't be goin' closter to that there house surrounded by them thar trees, that guy is a crack shot!"). Those of us good at faking being dead (armadillo-like) and those of us able to survive by eating the crap that falls on the ground (cockroach-style) will be the ultimate survivors. BUT, only if you're one of the 144,000 in the first place.

 

Balogna burgers. :homerdrool:

[detlef]

Go back and re-read what I've written. I've stated that I'm not overly concerned with having to hunker down. If I was, I would be buying AR's, AK's, and SKS's in lieu of Winchester 94's and Browning X-bolts. I've even said that I've been using this as an excuse to get firearms I wanted without having to listen to the wife complain. I'm using it as an excuse to buy some land for hunting, not because I think I'm going to need it to feed my family, but because I enjoy hunting and my kids enjoy hunting. I'm not worried. I am prepared, but that has more to do with my religion, my occupation, and my hobbies than it does from a sense of foreboding. So yeah, it is about target practice and my hobbies.

 

Someone made a comment about protecting their family, and you basically looked down your nose at them. I just jumped in and agreed with them. You don't have kids, so you probably don't understand. If it came down to me having to protect a food supply so that my family could live, I have no qualms about putting a bullet in someone. Just like I pity the fool that every tries to break into my house, because I'll put him down.

When I go back and re-read, should I avoid the numerous times you've mentioned being prepared to gun down anyone who shows up before you've got enough food to feed them?

 

When I'm recalling how clearly you stated that you're not about the hunker down style, should I avoid your first post here where you practically described your own personal WACO?

 

Oh, and maybe you should go back and re-read what I said. My initial comment here was not in response to someone talking about protecting their family, it was in agreement with weigie's comments that it may be easy to talk big about fending off strangers right now, but yet another thing when a desperate family is standing at your door. If you want to arm yourself, go ahead, but spare me the "looking down my nose at you ". I've had to endure BS from reactionary gun-toting a-holes around here about how I must not love my wife because I don't own a gun. And you defensive little boys get worked up because someone questions how many among you wanna be GI Joes truly has what it takes (or rather lacks what it takes not to) to gun down some desperate family on your doorstep?

[Perchoutofwater]

When I go back and re-read, should I avoid the numerous times you've mentioned being prepared to gun down anyone who shows up before you've got enough food to feed them?

 

When I'm recalling how clearly you stated that you're not about the hunker down style, should I avoid your first post here where you practically described your own personal WACO?

 

Oh, and maybe you should go back and re-read what I said. My initial comment here was not in response to someone talking about protecting their family, it was in agreement with weigie's comments that it may be easy to talk big about fending off strangers right now, but yet another thing when a desperate family is standing at your door. If you want to arm yourself, go ahead, but spare me the "looking down my nose at you ". I've had to endure BS from reactionary gun-toting a-holes around here about how I must not love my wife because I don't own a gun. And you defensive little boys get worked up because someone questions how many among you wanna be GI Joes truly has what it takes (or rather lacks what it takes not to) to gun down some desperate family on your doorstep?

 

If the worst was to happen, and someone was going to try to take the food my family needs, I'd gun them down and not think twice about it. My family means that much to me. Maybe yours doesn't, I don't know. I just know that my family is the most important thing in the world to me, and I'm going to do all I can to protect them. If I have something I can afford to share you bet I will, but I'm not going to jeopardize my family so I can feel good about myself.

 

I'm not planning on hunkering down. All that crap I have with the exception of the food storage (which is prudent) is either as a result of my occupation or my hobby. If I though I was going to have to hunker down, I'd be looking at completely different types of fire arms than the ones I own. With the exception of two pistols all of my guns are for hunting. The pistols are just as much for recreation as they are for protection. If you didn't have an irrational fear of everything that goes bang, you would know that the calibers I listed were recreational rounds and not tactical rounds.

 

You call gun owners reactionary, yet it is people like you that look for tighter gun control laws every time someone is shot, regardless of what the data says. If being willing to protect my family makes me less of a man, then I guess I'm just less of a man. You view giving away your family's life as more noble than protecting it. I'll be honest I don't understand that. Maybe it is because you don't have kids, that are your responsibility to protect. Don't get me wrong, I don't ever want to have to shoot someone. I would never take joy in shooting someone. But, I wouldn't hesitate to terminate a threat to my family. When my girls get older, I hope they don't end up marrying someone like you, I'm not saying that as an insult, but as an honest comment.

[westvirginia]

Oh, and here I thought we were talking about taking someone's life before they take yours. I must have missed the part where the topic diverged to target practice. From what I understand, killing someone is not an easy thing to do. I think that's probably a good thing.

 

And hey, this book I read one time said the first one's expensive, but after that they're all free!

[detlef]

You call gun owners reactionary, yet it is people like you that look for tighter gun control laws every time someone is shot, regardless of what the data says. If being willing to protect my family makes me less of a man, then I guess I'm just less of a man. You view giving away your family's life as more noble than protecting it. I'll be honest I don't understand that. Maybe it is because you don't have kids, that are your responsibility to protect. Don't get me wrong, I don't ever want to have to shoot someone. I would never take joy in shooting someone. But, I wouldn't hesitate to terminate a threat to my family. When my girls get older, I hope they don't end up marrying someone like you, I'm not saying that as an insult, but as an honest comment.

I call gun owners who question my devotion to my family because I don't think adding another gun to the mix is a wise thing reactionary. I'm actually very moderate on gun control and have actually lessened my stance considerably over time the more I realize that you can't legislate against stupidity any more with guns than any thing else. So I think you've got the wrong guy here.

 

Honestly, I think you're freaking pathetic. It's not enough that you've spent every day since Jan 20th crying like a little girl that the sky is falling, now you're so desperate to make a point that you pretend people are saying things they don't. I've had to spend more energy defending my choice not to own a gun than I ever have making someone defend their choice to do so. At least here. So, again, you've got the wrong guy.

 

We can go round and round about whether it makes your home safer if you have a gun, but only one of us actually realizes that neither side is certainly correct. I'm betting that me not having a gun and turning a robbery into a gun fight is best. You're betting that dude is there for more than you TV and are willing to risk escalation of what could have been a simple robbery followed by an insurance claim and a new TV into a fight that could result in at very worst someone in your family being shot or even having your family endure the reality of having shot someone in your home.

 

So, there you have it. Enjoy. I actually used to enjoy debating with you. Now, not so much. I'll leave it at that.

[Hat Trick]

Me and my family are going to live on Hat Tricks farm

 

Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hugh 0ne]

Well, at least we've resorted back to name calling in the Tailgate.