The Holy Roller Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Yeah and for all we know he might have made a great president. Almost all the greats that have been and gone had skeletons in the closet. I just think that whole "moral virtue" thing is baloney and without relevance to potential presidential performance. Yeah, that being faithful to your marriage is really overrated as far as what we want our politicians to do. As long as he does a "good" job being president I think he shouldn't have to be a man of virtue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 He was in Argentina, cheating on his wife, on Father's Day weekend? What a gigantic chives bag. Way to go, Mr. father of four. I think his wife knew exactly where he was and what he was doing. She's known about this for five months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I knew this was coming.... You guys were asking for it. Can't we leave the donkey and elephant out of a few of these threads? There are morans (or at least moranic things that happen) in both parties. Tailgates aren't usually the place to talk politics anyways. Just throwing an idea out here, but let's just make fun of stupid people or discuss the crazy things that go on (you know, without trying to put one party above another). I think you did with your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I think his wife knew exactly where he was and what he was doing. She's known about this for five months. Oh, she may have known. I think most spouses know even if it isn't out in the open. My disparaging remark was more directed at how this father of four and "moral leader" choose to spend his Father's Day weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Two in the last week. A big deal to many of the holier-than-thou brigade that make up the GOP base but a resounding "so what?" from me. conspiracy. they are all being setup by the democrats ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Delay Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Why did he apologize? He should have proudly come out flaunted his virility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeductiveNun Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 You think Michelle Bachmann will be on the ticket? Would she be playing the role of Caligula's horse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Would she be playing the role of Caligula's horse? Don't see why not. He was a senator after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borge007 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) What will Rush and O'Reilly have to say about this?Must be Obama's fault. Edited June 24, 2009 by borge007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Sacrebleu Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 It seems to me like the press played this the way they did in the past: No reporting on mistresses until said cheater flaunts his deeds. They had the dirt on him since December, but only broke the story when he dissapeared from his office. In France the press kept mum about Mitterand's famous infidelities until he showed up at a dinner with his illegitimate daughter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 In France the press kept mum about Mitterand's famous infidelities until he showed up at a dinner with his illegitimate daughter In France nobody gives two chits about it and rightly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 This is a pretty good article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_philandering...icians_analysis And an interesting statement in it: "Indeed, when politicians get caught, they do so in extraordinary fashion and their actions raise questions about their judgment, character and integrity as a leader. If they can lie to their loved ones, who is to say they won't lie to everyone else? If they can't stay faithful to their marriage vows, who is to say they'll stay faithful to their oaths of office? And if they have secrets in their private lives, who is to say they don't have secrets in their public lives?" ===================================== Being unfaithful to your marriage vows seems to be the norm in this country. At least that is what I gather from everything I read. So these politicians that have been "outed" lately are just reflecting the mindset of the people of this country. Sad commentary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 'marriage is the new dating' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 And an interesting statement in it: "Indeed, when politicians get caught, they do so in extraordinary fashion and their actions raise questions about their judgment, character and integrity as a leader. If they can lie to their loved ones, who is to say they won't lie to everyone else? If they can't stay faithful to their marriage vows, who is to say they'll stay faithful to their oaths of office? And if they have secrets in their private lives, who is to say they don't have secrets in their public lives?" History clearly demonstrates that the ability to keep one's appendage in one's pants has no bearing on the abilities of that person to be a great leader and/or claim a revered place in history. Eisenhower, JFK, Jefferson and Roosevelt will do for the start of the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 History clearly demonstrates that the ability to keep one's appendage in one's pants has no bearing on the abilities of that person to be a great leader and/or claim a revered place in history. Eisenhower, JFK, Jefferson and Roosevelt will do for the start of the list. I agree. Oh, and if he'd cheated on his taxes instead of his wife he'd be a cabinet member by now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 History clearly demonstrates that the ability to keep one's appendage in one's pants has no bearing on the abilities of that person to be a great leader and/or claim a revered place in history. Eisenhower, JFK, Jefferson and Roosevelt will do for the start of the list. really? imagine if all those great leaders could have added "integrity" to their list of admirable traits...could they not have been better people and leaders? The fact that, as a nation, we are willing to judge people as "great" by only a portion of what they accomplished, while ignoring the fact that they broke an oath before God to their spouse, is pretty backward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) really? imagine if all those great leaders could have added "integrity" to their list of admirable traits...could they not have been better people and leaders? The fact that, as a nation, we are willing to judge people as "great" by only a portion of what they accomplished, while ignoring the fact that they broke an oath before God to their spouse, is pretty backward. before who? Edited June 25, 2009 by dmarc117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 really? imagine if all those great leaders could have added "integrity" to their list of admirable traits...could they not have been better people and leaders? The fact that, as a nation, we are willing to judge people as "great" by only a portion of what they accomplished, while ignoring the fact that they broke an oath before God to their spouse, is pretty backward. On one hand I agree - if they can't be faithful to their family, how will they be faithful to nameless, faceless people? On the other hand, don't you have views that are different depending on if we're talking politically or personally? I do. My biggest one is abortion. Personally I find them heinous, repugnant murders. On the other hand, politically, I don't see how (unless/until you can prove that's a life at conception) you can tell someone what to do with their body. Like ursa said, history is replete with people who were great leaders and banged women like a screen door in a tornado. You never know what's really going on. Maybe his wife just had no drive, and she told him to go get it somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 In this economic crisis that we're in, it would be much cheaper to do your business in a bathroom stall in the airport. Now I know why he didn't need a stimulus package from Obama. He has that covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 imagine if all those great leaders could have added "integrity" to their list of admirable traits...could they not have been better people and leaders? The fact that, as a nation, we are willing to judge people as "great" by only a portion of what they accomplished, while ignoring the fact that they broke an oath before God to their spouse, is pretty backward. To answer your first question first, integrity in the sense you mean it is sometimes antithetical to the results. An instance: There is a possibility Roosevelt was aware of the coming attack on Pearl Harbor but knew it would serve a greater good - the entry into a war against two enormously powerful fascist regimes with the clout to plunge the entire planet into a new Dark Age. How much integrity does that show? In response to your second statement, who could ever be judged as "great", other than the semi-mythical founders of the world's great religions? I say semi-mythical because although there is good evidence of their existence, it is most likely that their actual acts have received embellishment over time......and any "unworthy" act eliminated from the record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 To answer your first question first, integrity in the sense you mean it is sometimes antithetical to the results. An instance: There is a possibility Roosevelt was aware of the coming attack on Pearl Harbor but knew it would serve a greater good - the entry into a war against two enormously powerful fascist regimes with the clout to plunge the entire planet into a new Dark Age. How much integrity does that show? In response to your second statement, who could ever be judged as "great", other than the semi-mythical founders of the world's great religions? I say semi-mythical because although there is good evidence of their existence, it is most likely that their actual acts have received embellishment over time......and any "unworthy" act eliminated from the record. Sorry, can't go with you there. That's another reason I hate FDR. There was no political will for getting into that war in this country. So he manufactures it, pushing the Japanese into lashing out by interdicting their oil and natural resources. Then, he knows they're going to attack, and lets thousands of Americans who he's sworn to protect die to manipulate the American people into a war they didn't want? If the evidence is correct, he deserves to burn in the hottest fire of hell for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Like ursa said, history is replete with people who were great leaders and banged women like a screen door in a tornado. At first I didn't think anybody from West Virginia actually used the word "replete" but then I noticed it was followed with "banged women like a screen door in a tornado". Maybe you went to college in a different state and moved back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 At first I didn't think anybody from West Virginia actually used the word "replete" but then I noticed it was followed with "banged women like a screen door in a tornado". Maybe you went to college in a different state and moved back. Nope, completely WV educated. WV actually stays in the lower end of the middle of the states, education-wise. And it's tons better than GA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 Sorry, can't go with you there. That's another reason I hate FDR. There was no political will for getting into that war in this country. So he manufactures it, pushing the Japanese into lashing out by interdicting their oil and natural resources. Then, he knows they're going to attack, and lets thousands of Americans who he's sworn to protect die to manipulate the American people into a war they didn't want? If the evidence is correct, he deserves to burn in the hottest fire of hell for that. That's a simplistic view that ignores the likely worldwide scenario of total domination by the two major Axis powers that prevailed in 1941. It also is the same view that believes using the atom bomb was wrong because it killed over a hundred thousand people. The fact that millions would have perished otherwise is ignored, plus the certainty that it would have been used elsewhere at some future date. It's use there has most likely prevented it's use since (much to Sky's regret ) Anyway, I used that as an example, prefacing it with there being a "possibility", not a fact. I really don't know one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 A young hussein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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