Azazello1313 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Have to agree here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbmcdonald Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Here is what the Texas chapter of the Republican Liberty Caucus has to say about Perry. http://www.rlc.org/blog/ Texas RLC Sends Out Warning on Rick Perry By Dave Nalle - August 12, 2011 at 10:41 PM Don’t Believe the Hype. Meet the Real Rick Perry Republican Liberty Caucus of Texas Sends Warning to Republicans Nationwide About Perry’s Tax and Spend Record AUSTIN, TX – Texas Governor Rick Perry may be the flavor of the day for a lot of Republicans, but Texas Republicans who are familiar with his record are a lot less enthusiastic about his presidential run. “Perry has a unique talent for finding new ways to raise taxes and loves to use taxpayer money to subsidize his business cronies,” says Secretary Dave Nalle of the Republican Liberty Caucus of Texas. “His supposed belief in limited government and states rights conveniently disappears whenever it conflicts with the demands of the special interests and corporate cronies who he serves.” Governor Perry’s record of big government, big spending, big taxing and attacks on the fundamental rights of Texas citizens is a familiar to Texans, but seems to be much less well known to Republicans outside of the state, which may explain his high initial showing in the polls. The Republican Liberty Caucus of Texas is compiling a complete dossier on Perry to share with fellow Republicans outside their state so that they can be informed about what they are being sold in a Perry presidential candidacy. The file on Perry’s abuses of power, insider deals with cronies and tax and spend policies is thick, but for a start here are what Texas RLC members voted as the top five Perry scandals which GOP primary voters need to know more about: 1. Business Slush Funds: Perry made heavy use of business incentive “slush funds” which used taxpayer dollars to subsidize selected businesses, many of them run by his major campaign contributors. Just two of these funds, the Texas Enterprise Fund and the Texas Emerging Growth fund, spent over $700 million to subsidize businesses to move to Texas or expand operations in Texas, with little evidence that these handouts of taxpayer money produced job or revenue growth anywhere near sufficient to justify the expense. In fact, many of these businesses eventually downsized or relocated long before they had earned the money Perry gave them, or even went bankrupt with $25 million fund dollars like Countrywide Financial. 2. Toll Roads and Land Seizures Perry has never met a toll road project he wasn’t willing to seize huge amounts of private land for and then give the exclusive management contracts to foreign corporations. Perry’s time in office has set records for eminent domain land seizures – over a million acres have been seized. His toll road projects have confiscated family farms and torn communities apart. Toll roads have been used as a massive off-the-books tax program, taking money from Texas drivers and feeding it to foreign financial interests and management groups which lobbied the governor for special deals which produce much higher tolls and higher profits than are typical in other states. 3. Forced Vaccinations: In 2007 Perry issued an executive order which would have forcibly vaccinated every girl in Texas entering the sixth grade with Merck’s Gardasil vaccine for Human Papilloma Virus. This massive violation of the privacy rights of Texas teenagers and their parents would have come at a cost of $360 in taxpayer money per shot. It would have been a huge windfall for Merck, which had paid Perry’s former Chief of Staff $250,000 to lobby the governor and legislature to promote the forced vaccination program. 4. The Job-Killing Franchise Tax: Knowing that it would be impossible to pass an income tax against popular opposition in Texas, Perry promoted the idea of a special business tax called the “Franchise Tax” which taxes businesses at different arbitrary rates set by the government. This tax expands business taxes to types of businesses which are not taxed in most states and in many cases taxes small businesses more than large corporations they compete with. For example it taxes small car repair shops at double the rate it taxes large dealerships for car repairs. It’s a small business and job killer. 5. Scuttled the Anti-TSA Bill When Rep. David Simpson led the Texas legislature towards passage of an enormously popular bill (HB1938) to hold the TSA accountable for intrusive searches of airline passengers, Perry played a key role in making sure that the bill was not passed. When the TSA and the Justice Department began pressuring him, although Perry had promised to submit the bill to the special legislative session, he delayed submitting the bill until it was so late in the session that it was virtually impossible to hold the constitutionally mandated votes necessary for passage. That way he could score points with the public for submitting the popular bill while at the same time making sure that it wouldn’t pass. It’s a classic example of Perry’s insincere pandering. Don’t be fooled by campaign hype. If Perry says he’ll cut taxes or get government off our back, look up his real record. Look up his past statements. He supported TARP. He supported the bailouts. He was even Al Gore’s Texas campaign manager back in 1988. A vote for Perry in the Republican primary is a vote for more big government and more taxes and more of the the same deficits and irresponsibility we had for 12 years under Bush and Obama. The Republican Party and the nation need real leadership, not more of the same with a nicer head of hair. RLC of Texas Chairman Judson Vandiver asks, “Let’s hope Republicans outside Texas see through all the hype. Let’s all say to to Perry what he said to a Texas state trooper when he tried to bully her after she pulled him over for speeding YouTube: ‘Why don’t you just let us get on down the road?’” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/12/news/econo...dex.htm?iid=EAL Minimum wage jobs with no benefits. The Republican American dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Minimum wage jobs with no benefits. The Republican American dream. no jobs, 2 years of unemployment benefits, and "free" health care. the democrat american dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 no jobs, 2 years of unemployment benefits, and "free" health care. the democrat american dream. Really struggling on this one, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I remember perch (quite the conservative tea party guy) was not a fan of perry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Really struggling on this one, aren't you? you think? I would think the dude trying to put a negative spin on the fact that 1 in 4 new jobs in the country is in texas is the one who's struggling. 'cause it seems to me like jobs, no matter how crappy, compare favorably with NO jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 So Perry and AZ are victims. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 10 reasons Perry won't win. Very good, unbiased article about Perry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 you think? I would think the dude trying to put a negative spin on the fact that 1 in 4 new jobs in the country is in texas is the one who's struggling. 'cause it seems to me like jobs, no matter how crappy, compare favorably with NO jobs. I meant the evidence, already thick on the ground and coming from two well-known right wing outlets (note - not a "bunch of lefties"), that he's as corrupt as all get out. Not that that makes him much different to any other politician, but it doesn't exactly make him Mr Hope'n'Change either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 10 reasons Perry won't win. Very good, unbiased article about Perry. "...motherjones.com/kevin-drum..." unbiased, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 10 reasons Perry won't win. Very good, unbiased article about Perry. "...motherjones.com/kevin-drum..." unbiased, huh? I have to agree with Az that it's pretty hard to call an article with the quote "It's easy for us urban liberals to just cynically assume that the tea party-ized GOP will nominate whoever's the dumbest, toughest, meanest, godliest sonofabitch in the field, but I'm not so sure." unbiased. Hell, Drum himself calls himself a partisan in the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayItAintSoJoe Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Order of (relevant) Republicans Obama would most like to see win the nomination IMO: 1. Bachmann 2. Perry 3. Romney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Order of (relevant) Republicans Obama would most like to see win the nomination IMO: 1. Bachmann 2. Perry 3. Romney Whoever can suck down the biggest corndog gets my vote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Whoever can suck down the biggest corndog gets my vote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 No. I was thinking more along the "Caption This Photo" thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 No. I was thinking more along the "Caption This Photo" thread. Rick Perry + Holy Roller = Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Order of (relevant) Republicans Obama would most like to see win the nomination IMO: 1. Bachmann 2. Perry 3. Romney You're way off. I guarantee that Obama would most like to see Romney win the nomination. He's the one guy that would NOT inspire the conservative base to show up. Andwithout that conservative base showing up, Obama has a chance. I don't know much about Perry. He seems like an opportunist at best. Ursa and I are pulling for Bachmann at this point. In truth, I'm still holding out the slightest glimmer of hope that someone decent will enter the race under the GOP banner. But its not looking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosberg34 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) You're way off. I guarantee that Obama would most like to see Romney win the nomination. He's the one guy that would NOT inspire the conservative base to show up. Andwithout that conservative base showing up, Obama has a chance. I don't know much about Perry. He seems like an opportunist at best. Ursa and I are pulling for Bachmann at this point. In truth, I'm still holding out the slightest glimmer of hope that someone decent will enter the race under the GOP banner. But its not looking good. I don't know. I kinda like Perry. Certainly brings a much needed upgraded to a mediocre field. I don't know why anyone would nominate Bachman in the first place since one of the sticking points with Obama is his complete lack of experience running anything. Why would any conservative then turn around and vote for Bachman who has, well, a complete lack of experience running anything? Romney - well we all know he's no real conservative. He's better than Obama but not Perry. Everyone else should just drop out now like Pawlenty. Right now I see Perry as the man to beat. You can bet Obama's going to go after him right away while riding around in his red bus (Downgrade One) during his "Blame Everyone Else But Me" tour. Edited August 16, 2011 by tosberg34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTheWebToedBoy Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) Don't know much about him, but as long as he is not a complete whackjob like the the rest of the frontrunners (Mitt isn't one but the Christian Right view him as a cult member so he's out) there is a good chance he will win. The economy isn't going to turn-around in a year, it's going to take a decade or more to unfu@ck it, so a reasonable looking candidate will look good against one that has a 10-15% unemployment rate (9% my ass). Edited August 16, 2011 by JoJoTheWebToedBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 You're way off. I guarantee that Obama would most like to see Romney win the nomination. He's the one guy that would NOT inspire the conservative base to show up. Andwithout that conservative base showing up, Obama has a chance. I don't know much about Perry. He seems like an opportunist at best. Ursa and I are pulling for Bachmann at this point. In truth, I'm still holding out the slightest glimmer of hope that someone decent will enter the race under the GOP banner. But its not looking good. cmon, you don't REALLY think that Bachmann has a shot in hell do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) You're way off. I guarantee that Obama would most like to see Romney win the nomination. He's the one guy that would NOT inspire the conservative base to show up. Andwithout that conservative base showing up, Obama has a chance. You don't win POTUS elections by getting the bases to show up, you win them by getting independent and undecided votes. McCain didn't lose because Palin didn't get the conservative base excited enough. Edited August 16, 2011 by bushwacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Ursa and I are pulling for Bachmann at this point. I certainly am. She would guarantee Obama's re-election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Have you seen the guy that replaced Perry as Journey's frontman? I think that he's a Philistino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Perry's father-in-law performed his vasectomy. Uh, weird? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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