Younger People Are Angry

[WaterMan]

I wish DeMint would go into hiding after his lone wolf nay vote against the veterans jobs bill in the Senate.

 

He can't go into hiding just yet. DeMint is trying to stop America for caring for it's veterans for a very good reason. If we care for these guys, we're gonna slide into socialism. These guys signed up for the military, so DeMented feel it's their responsibility to take care of themselves.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Saving-Freedom-Ameri...0764&sr=8-1

 

 

Say What!, July 30, 2009

By H. R. O'Higgins (Toronto, Canada) - See all my reviews

This review is from: Saving Freedom: We Can Stop America's Slide into Socialism (Hardcover)

 

Ever wonder what is wrong with the Senate (Senators) ... read (just) part of this book.

My god who let this guy near a word processor?

Glen Beck ... oh come on.

If you have several hours to kill at the airport this is the perfect book ... just make sure your laughter doesn't disturb others.

 

Nailed it!

Edited November 13, 2011 by WaterMan

[CowboyGal2011]

Later in the evening, Occupy Oakland protesters gathered for their general assembly meeting and withdrew a resolution calling for future demonstrations to remain peaceful. A faction of the protest group has advocated for violence as a "diversity in tactics" approach to demonstrating.

[tosberg34]

Obama and the Democrats want you to know their Flea Bagger movement is still strong.

[bpwallace49]

Obama and the Democrats want you to know their Flea Bagger movement is still strong.

 

You are really, really obsessed with this whole thing arent you? Let it go man . . . just let it go . . . .

[SEC=UGA]

Very dangerous precedent?

 

New York (CNN) -- A New York judge issued an order Tuesday morning allowing Occupy Wall Street protesters to return to Zuccotti Park, just hours after scores of police in riot gear ordered them out and tore down their tents.

 

The order from New York Supreme Court Judge Lucy Billings allows protesters to bring tents and other equipment back into the privately owned park where the now-global Occupy movement began.

 

Police, however, did not immediately let them in.

 

Soon after the ruling, a large group of demonstrators -- some of them apparently holding the court documents -- marched back to Zuccotti Park and

 

"We have a court order," the group chanted, as it wielded signs and circled the Lower Manhattan park. "You don't have authority over a judge," they yelled at police.

 

At least two people were seen jumping over a metal barricade before they were forcibly removed by authorities.

 

Video of the park showed security officers picking up one protester and tossing the individual over the fence.

 

City officials, meanwhile, said they had intended to allow protests to resume at the park, but added they would not allow demonstrators to set up tents or camp. The park will remain closed until officials sort out the legal situation, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said.

 

"We have an obligation to enforce the laws today, to make sure that everybody has access to the park so everybody can protest. That's the First Amendment and it's number one on our minds," he said. "We also have a similar, just as important obligation to protect the health and safety of the people in the park."

 

A hearing was scheduled for 11:30 a.m. ET to discuss the order.

 

The operation to clear the park began around 1 a.m., according to Bloomberg, with police handing out notices from the park's owner, Brookfield Office Properties, that said the continued occupation posed a health and fire hazard.

 

"You are required to immediately remove all property, including tents, sleeping bags and tarps, from Zuccotti Park," the note said. "That means you must remove the property now."

 

Police in riot gear then moved into the park, evicting hundreds of protesters.

 

Dozens of protesters who had camped out at the Lower Manhattan park since September 17 linked arms in defiance. Many chanted, "Whose park? Our park" and "You don't have to do this."

 

Police arrested more than 100 people, according to Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Browne.

 

New York City Council member Ydanis Rodriguez was among those arrested, after he rushed down to the park when he heard police were evicting protesters, his spokesman, David Segal, told CNN.

 

Medical crews treated three people for minor injuries, Bloomberg said. A police officer was also hospitalized after experiencing heart palpitations, he said.

Police moved in to New York's Zuccotti Park early Tuesday, November 15, surprising many Occupy Wall Street protesters who had camped there for almost two months. Police moved in to New York's Zuccotti Park early Tuesday, November 15, surprising many Occupy Wall Street protesters who had camped there for almost two months.

 

Continuing concerns about public health and safety and the impact of the protests on nearby businesses, as well as the rights of others to use the park, prompted city officials to dismantle the camp, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said. Continuing concerns about public health and safety and the impact of the protests on nearby businesses, as well as the rights of others to use the park, prompted city officials to dismantle the camp, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said.

 

Circumstances at the park had become "unbearable," Bloomberg said. Circumstances at the park had become "unbearable," Bloomberg said.

Protesters regroup in Foley Square on Tuesday morning. Protesters regroup in Foley Square on Tuesday morning.

 

Continuing concerns about public health and safety and the impact of the protests on nearby businesses, as well as the rights of others to use the park, prompted city officials to dismantle the camp, Bloomberg said. While the city has a long history of embracing free expression, circumstances at the park had become "intolerable," he explained.

 

The Occupy Wall Street website video-streamed the eviction under a banner headline that read, "NYPD is raiding Liberty Square." Liberty Square is the former name of the park.

 

While many protesters left without resisting, many others moved to the center of the park to an area known as the "kitchen." There, they built barricades with tables to keep police away.

 

The air was thick with smoke, which some protesters said was from tear gas that officers lobbed.

 

Others said officers took thousands of books from the camp's makeshift library and tossed them in Dumpsters.

 

"In an immense show of force, police have shown their presence," said Kanene Holder, a spokeswoman for the Occupy Wall Street movement. "I've seen how agitated the police are and some (are) pushing and shoving to remove us."

 

CNN could not confirm those accounts, as police kept journalists a block and a half away from the park during the raid.

 

However, CNN was able to obtain footage of piles of clothing, tents and tarps made by police as they cleaned out the park.

 

One protester told CNN he was awakened by "shouting and screaming" and wasn't sure what was going on. He said he didn't find out about the order to vacate until later.

 

By 4:30 a.m., the Lower Manhattan park was clear, with about 40 city crews in orange vests scraping up trash and pressure washing sidewalks.

 

After briefly reopening around 8 a.m., the park closed again as city officials learned of the court order. About 50 people who had been allowed back in were asked to leave.

 

Tuesday morning, several hundred protesters marched from Foley Square, where they had gathered after Zuccotti Park was cleared, to City Hall, chanting "We are unstoppable, another world is possible" and "This is what democracy looks like."

 

Bloomberg said Occupy demonstrators "must follow the park rules if they wished to continue to use it to protest."

 

"Protesters -- and the general public -- are welcome there to exercise their First Amendment rights, and otherwise enjoy the park, but will not be allowed to use tents, sleeping bags or tarps and, going forward, must follow all park rules," Bloomberg said.

 

"The law that created Zuccotti Park required that it be open for the public to enjoy for passive recreation 24 hours a day. Ever since the occupation began, that law has not been complied with, as the park has been taken over by protesters, making it unavailable to anyone else. ... The park was becoming a place where people came not to protest, but rather to break laws, and in some cases, to harm others," the mayor said.

 

Many protesters complied with the order to remove property, he said, but police and the city's Sanitation Department "assisted in removing any remaining tents and sleeping bags."

 

While most protesters were peaceful, "an unfortunate minority" were not, Bloomberg said, prompting reports of businesses being threatened and complaints regarding noise and unsanitary conditions.

 

Bloomberg said he and Brookfield Properties had become concerned about hazards posed by the encampment. "But make no mistake -- the final decision to act was mine," he said.

 

"Protesters have had two months to occupy the park with tents and sleeping bags," the mayor said. "Now they will have to occupy the space with the power of their arguments."

 

Many of the hundreds who left quickly reassembled two blocks away, chanting, "We are back together."

 

Jeremy Baratta, a 32-year-old Army veteran, called the health concerns that authorities cited a pretext.

 

"It was fairly clean," he said of the park. "No urine or fecal matter. There weren't things strewn about."

 

Since the protests began in September, the encampment at the park had taken on an air of permanency, with tents covering the public plaza from one end to the other. Protesters said they were there for the long haul.

 

Last month, Bloomberg had ordered protesters to vacate the park so Brookfield workers could clean it, but Brookfield changed its mind after it said it was "inundated" with calls.

 

On Monday, police in Oakland, California, conducted a similar raid when they moved in to the Occupy encampment at Frank Ogawa Plaza near City Hall and tore down tents. Officers made 33 arrests.

 

There, too, the park is reopen to protesters, but city officials will enforce a ban on camping in the park with an around-the-clock police presence.

 

The Tuesday morning eviction of Zuccotti Park comes ahead of plans by the protesters to "shut down" Wall Street on Thursday -- to mark the two-month anniversary of their movement.

 

Baratta, the Army veteran, said that the movement will continue whether or not the park serves as a base.

 

"You're going to have to deal with us," he said. "We're not going to show up for an hour and then leave. They're going to have to acknowledge us."

[Yukon Cornelius]

see when you educate people they just want more. maybe the nobility of the old world had it right?

[CowboyGal2011]

New York (CNN) -- A New York judge issued an order Tuesday morning allowing Occupy Wall Street protesters to return to Zuccotti Park, just hours after scores of police in riot gear ordered them out and tore down their tents.

 

The order from New York Supreme Court Judge Lucy Billings allows protesters to bring tents and other equipment back into the privately owned park where the now-global Occupy movement began.

 

Unreal. This is insane.

[evil_gop_liars]

Unreal. This is insane.

 

Young lady, this is not China.

[SEC=UGA]

Young lady, this is not China.

 

Correct, our private property rights used to be taken seriously.

 

According to this judge's ruling it would be lawful for me to pitch a tent on the "common areas" of a privately owned office building and the owner nor the city could tell me to vacate?

[bushwacked]

What's behind Obama's increasing approval rating?

 

The president’s uptick starts a little later than that, when two things occur: The Occupy Wall Street protests gather steam, and the Republican debate season begins in earnest. The demonstrations probably function as something of the next-best thing to a partisan win for Obama. In fact, they are arguably better, since the president isn’t around as a polarizing figure. Regardless, it is reasonably clear that the OWS protests have shifted the political debate somewhat from a discussion about austerity and government spending to one about inequality and corporate profits. This shift has probably served to energize a lethargic Democratic base. More important, the shift also has reminded moderate and conservative Democrats why they still identify with the party in the first place. Indeed, a large portion of the president’s surge has come from firming up support among Democrats, as opposed to bringing independents and moderate Republicans back into his camp.

 

Moreover, the onset of the Republican primary season hasn’t been a huge boon to Republicans. The headlines have been Mitt Romney’s flip-flops, Republican dislike for Romney, Rick Perry’s gaffes, Michele Bachmann’s gaffes, and Herman Cain’s sexual harassment charges. Stories about Newt Gingrich’s infidelities and troubled tenure as speaker of the House are likely right around the corner.

And when combined with Occupy Wall Street, the political oxygen is sucked up. This has actually had the net effect of making Obama look presidential and “above the fray.” This creates a bit of a good news/bad news situation for him. It is good news because the Republican Party purposely designed this year’s primary season to stretch into April. In other words, we may see an extended period of decent job approval numbers for the president. This is key, because it can help energize the Democratic base. More importantly, it will prevent donors and supporters from writing him off.

 

Thank you teatards and OWS!

[Pope Flick]

Correct, our private property rights used to be taken seriously.

 

According to this judge's ruling it would be lawful for me to pitch a tent on the "common areas" of a privately owned office building and the owner nor the city could tell me to vacate?

 

 

Wrong.

[gbpfan1231]

Maybe I am missing something here.

 

What grounds does a judge have to make an order that lets people onto private property against the decisions of the people who own the property?

 

Is there some kind of exemption because it is a park?

[SEC=UGA]

Wrong.

 

What part of it?

[Pope Flick]

Maybe I am missing something here.

 

What grounds does a judge have to make an order that lets people onto private property against the decisions of the people who own the property?

 

Is there some kind of exemption because it is a park?

 

 

Apparently.

[Deathpig]

It's not particularly well-worded in that article, but Zucotti Park is a privately owned public space (POPS). Basically, New York offered up private landholders incentives for making some of their space in NYC available to the public-- sort of like a privately owned public park. I don't know all the legal specificities regarding POPS, but I'm pretty sure the judge does, and the ruling implies that POPS falls under normal public space laws in this instance.

[SEC=UGA]

It's not particularly well-worded in that article, but Zucotti Park is a privately owned public space (POPS). Basically, New York offered up private landholders incentives for making some of their space in NYC available to the public-- sort of like a privately owned public park. I don't know all the legal specificities regarding POPS, but I'm pretty sure the judge does, and the ruling implies that POPS falls under normal public space laws in this instance.

 

So, I could go into any POPS (say common areas around certain privately held buildings), pitch a tent, set up my generator, poop and urinate in a bag, or hell set up a portajohn, and stay there without the city or the property owner being able to throw me out?

 

This is the precedent the judge is setting.

 

Local ordinances don't mean a thing, public safety laws be damned... Do these people have a license to operate the on site cafeteria? Do they meet all of the fire and safety codes? Are they occupying the park after the hours of operation at which point people are supposed to leave? Are they not breaking local laws/ordinances with regard to sleeping in public parks? The answer is a resounding "NO", but the judge appears to disregard this and allow these people to continue to break the law.

[SEC=UGA]

POPS are a very interesting animal (and to an extent, I was wrong)... Seemingly the NYC officials didn't think these thing through too well, however:

Even those privately owned public spaces that do not have curfews may still impose “reasonable” rules regarding behavior, however.

 

Brookfield Office Properties, the owner of Zuccotti Park, recently posted new rules against camping, lying on the ground or benches, and using sleeping bags, but up until now those rules have not been enforced.

 

Enforcement would fall to the building’s management company, Professor Kayden said, but if park users refuse to comply, the management may call on the Police Department for help, as it has in an effort to clean out the park.

 

Further, even these POPS would be subject to code enforcement officials, they would especially fall under scrutiny by the fire marshal/fire codes and public health with regard to trash and bodily fluids.

[Deathpig]

I was just pointing out that while it is, technically, private property it is private property designated for public use. I have no idea what the laws and ordinances are in New York regarding POPS or standard public spaces. I have no idea if the protesters are, in fact, violating said laws and ordinaces. I offered no support for or against the protesters being in that area and doing whatever it is they're doing. I was simply trying to shed some light on why calling it 'private property' was a bit misleading.

[Ursa Majoris]

So, I could go into any POPS (say common areas around certain privately held buildings), pitch a tent, set up my generator, poop and urinate in a bag, or hell set up a portajohn, and stay there without the city or the property owner being able to throw me out?

 

This is the precedent the judge is setting.

 

Local ordinances don't mean a thing, public safety laws be damned... Do these people have a license to operate the on site cafeteria? Do they meet all of the fire and safety codes? Are they occupying the park after the hours of operation at which point people are supposed to leave? Are they not breaking local laws/ordinances with regard to sleeping in public parks? The answer is a resounding "NO", but the judge appears to disregard this and allow these people to continue to break the law.

I think the First Amendment right of assembly is intertwined with all this. Sure, there are safety laws, public order laws, etc but the First Amendment right to assemble is nevertheless paramount. That doesn't mean individuals can't be carted off for crapping in a bag in public nor does it mean the cafeteria isn't subject to health and safety laws but it does mean that blanket clearouts of everyone there willy nilly are likely a violation of the FA.

[WaterMan]

Unreal. This is insane.

 

+1

 

This government corruption is insane. Yet here you are upset about some kids using the 1st amendment.

[CowboyGal2011]

What would happen if a 1000 tents went up in central park?

[Lady.hawke]

Comic Frank Miller of Batman fame has weighed in.

 

Visit My Website

 

Here it the text should the link not work:

 

ANARCHY

posted 11.7.2011

 

Everybody’s been too damn polite about this nonsense:

 

 

 

The “Occupy” movement, whether displaying itself on Wall Street or in the streets of Oakland (which has, with unspeakable cowardice, embraced it) is anything but an exercise of our blessed First Amendment. “Occupy” is nothing but a pack of louts, thieves, and rapists, an unruly mob, fed by Woodstock-era nostalgia and putrid false righteousness. These clowns can do nothing but harm America.

 

 

 

“Occupy” is nothing short of a clumsy, poorly-expressed attempt at anarchy, to the extent that the “movement” – HAH! Some “movement”, except if the word “bowel” is attached - is anything more than an ugly fashion statement by a bunch of iPhone, iPad wielding spoiled brats who should stop getting in the way of working people and find jobs for themselves.

 

 

 

This is no popular uprising. This is garbage. And goodness knows they’re spewing their garbage – both politically and physically – every which way they can find.

 

 

 

Wake up, pond scum. America is at war against a ruthless enemy.

 

 

 

Maybe, between bouts of self-pity and all the other tasty tidbits of narcissism you’ve been served up in your sheltered, comfy little worlds, you’ve heard terms like al-Qaeda and Islamicism.

 

 

 

And this enemy of mine — not of yours, apparently - must be getting a dark chuckle, if not an outright horselaugh - out of your vain, childish, self-destructive spectacle.

 

 

 

In the name of decency, go home to your parents, you losers. Go back to your mommas’ basements and play with your Lords Of Warcraft.

 

 

 

Or better yet, enlist for the real thing. Maybe our military could whip some of you into shape.

 

 

 

They might not let you babies keep your iPhones, though. Try to soldier on.

 

 

 

Schmucks.

 

 

 

FM

[Savage Beatings]

I think the First Amendment right of assembly is intertwined with all this. Sure, there are safety laws, public order laws, etc but the First Amendment right to assemble is nevertheless paramount. That doesn't mean individuals can't be carted off for crapping in a bag in public nor does it mean the cafeteria isn't subject to health and safety laws but it does mean that blanket clearouts of everyone there willy nilly are likely a violation of the FA.

 

 

I agree. We have to be VERY careful with how protesters are being treated, as long as they are following the laws and remain peaceful. I've heard a lot of complaining that the costs for each city to ramp up police protection, etc. is getting out of hand. But that's the price that we need to be willing to pay to live in a (somewhat) free society that allows for peaceful demonstrations. But each and every one of those people that are violating the law should definitely be arrested.

[Savage Beatings]

+1

 

This government corruption is insane. Yet here you are upset about some kids using the 1st amendment.

 

 

What a shock that you have absolutely no respect for private property rights.

[WaterMan]

What a shock that you have absolutely no respect for private property rights.

 

Tell that to the Palestinians.