Younger People Are Angry

[evil_gop_liars]

How does calling Obama a Kenyan translate into being racist? Birther? Sure. Racist? Huh? How does calling Obama a Socialist translate into being racist? The last sign equates taxpayers with the 'n word', not Obama. This is the best you can come up with after two years? This is the pinnacle of hate and vitriol that the Tea Party represents? I expected MUCH better.

 

 

I can sum up this right quick.

 

You're just being silly, the 'n word' is racist who cares if he is trying to "equate" it to tax payers, it's a flat out racist remark. "What you talkin bout Willis"? Really that's not racist?

[Savage Beatings]

Let's pretend for a moment that I would grant that racism is rampant among the Tea Party protesters, even then you are trying to compare an idea or a belief (racism) to actual rude and sometimes criminal behavior (drug use, public obscenity, disease, disrespect for property, disrespect for the law/police, rape/sexual assault, blocking people from going to work, scaring children, et al). Do you not see the clear distinction in your pathetic attempt at equivalence? Tea Party protesters wouldn't be caught dead doing the crap that those OWS protesters are doing every day.

[bushwacked]

It isn't that difficult to figure out there is a degree of racism to the tea party, just like there is a degree of Marxism/Socialism with OWS. The claim that there isn't one iota of racism in the tea party and everyone in OWS is a Socialist (or vice versa) is, simply put, 100% delusional.

Edited November 18, 2011 by bushwacked

[tosberg34]

It isn't that difficult to figure out there is a degree of racism to the tea party, just like there is a degree of Marxism/Socialism with OWS. The claim that there isn't one iota of racism in the tea party and everyone in OWS is a Socialist (or vice versa) is, simply put, 100% delusional.

 

The only one that is delusional is you.

 

Just because YOU repeat the same schtick and cry "RACISM" every time doesn't make it true. You may have convinced yourself that there is racism but that's you trying to minimize the Tea Party at every chance you get.

[bpwallace49]

It isn't that difficult to figure out there is a degree of racism to the tea party, just like there is a degree of Marxism/Socialism with OWS. The claim that there isn't one iota of racism in the tea party and everyone in OWS is a Socialist (or vice versa) is, simply put, 100% delusional.

 

I agree with this.

 

I would also agree that there is a greater % of hooligans in the OWS than at the Tea Party rallies.

 

But to blithely ignore the fringe elements of either "movement" is intellectually dishonest.

 

There are bad apples in every bunch

[bushwacked]

But to blithely ignore the fringe elements of either "movement" is intellectually dishonest.

 

Sure, along with the fact each movement is significantly comprised of those on the extremist end of their respective political spectrum anyways.

[evil_gop_liars]

Sure, along with the fact each movement is significantly comprised of those on the extremist end of their respective political spectrum anyways.

 

Bingo!

[bpwallace49]

Sure, along with the fact each movement is significantly comprised of those on the extremist end of their respective political spectrum anyways.

 

Agreed. But therein lies the rub with many posters here that belong to one of the groups.

 

Looking through their particular prism,

 

Tea Party= mainstream and not extremist at all, in fact, this should be the part of America, the heartland, and apple pie

 

OWS= Anarchist socialist rapist police-hatin', bongo lovin hippies that hate america

 

In reality they are both extremist groups from different sides of the same pendulum swing.

[Savage Beatings]

Tea Party= mainstream and not extremist at all, in fact, this should be the part of America, the heartland, and apple pie

 

OWS= Anarchist socialist rapist police-hatin', bongo lovin hippies that hate america

 

Ok, then let's ask it this way... how come the Tea Party participants (right wing extremists) don't trash parks, block access, rape, share drugs, resist arrest, do anything that warrants arrest, or in general behave like the lowest dregs of humanity, but the OWS protesters (left wing extremists) do?

 

And I'll grant you that not all OWS protesters do it. Still can you answer why it seems that most of the right wing extremists seem to be decent people who albeit hold far right beliefs while most of the left wing extremists seem to be less than decent people who also happen to hold far left wing beliefs?

[bpwallace49]

Ok, then let's ask it this way... how come the Tea Party participants (right wing extremists) don't trash parks, block access, rape, share drugs, resist arrest, do anything that warrants arrest, or in general behave like the lowest dregs of humanity, but the OWS protesters (left wing extremists) do?

 

And I'll grant you that not all OWS protesters do it. Still can you answer why it seems that most of the right wing extremists seem to be decent people who albeit hold far right beliefs while most of the left wing extremists seem to be less than decent people who also happen to hold far left wing beliefs?

 

So you are melding the political ideas with the physical actions of the groups?

 

Both are coming from extreme areas of their particular brand of ideology.

 

OWS, from the left, Tea Party from the right.

 

Just because one side just happens to be better behaved than the other doesnt decrease from the extremist beliefs that they espouse. I have already stated that the OWS have a much higher % of hooligans than Tea Party rallies. But their poor behavior does not in any way legitimize the message or behavior of the Tea party.

 

Savage if it makes you feel better by looking down on them and puffing out your chest by saying how awesome the Tea party is, go right ahead. I dont think you have seen many people here backing up some of the henious things done at these OWS rallies. I have seen a whole of excuses and justifications of some of signs and attitude of Tea Partiers since its inception.

 

There are bad apples in every bunch. Saying your bad apples are better than the OWS bad apples doesnt make your bad apples good all of a sudden. Bad apples are bad apples . . . .

[isleseeya]

So you are melding the political ideas with the physical actions of the groups?

 

Both are coming from extreme areas of their particular brand of ideology.

 

OWS, from the left, Tea Party from the right.

 

Just because one side just happens to be better behaved than the other doesnt decrease from the extremist beliefs that they espouse. I have already stated that the OWS have a much higher % of hooligans than Tea Party rallies. But their poor behavior does not in any way legitimize the message or behavior of the Tea party.

 

Savage if it makes you feel better by looking down on them and puffing out your chest by saying how awesome the Tea party is, go right ahead. I dont think you have seen many people here backing up some of the henious things done at these OWS rallies. I have seen a whole of excuses and justifications of some of signs and attitude of Tea Partiers since its inception.

 

There are bad apples in every bunch. Saying your bad apples are better than the OWS bad apples doesnt make your bad apples good all of a sudden. Bad apples are bad apples . . . .

 

 

well said

[CowboyGal2011]

[Square]

I don't really find anything in the OWS message that would make me believe they are pro-rape or more likely to rape than the general populace. Or that it's reasonable to group "rude" with "rapist" and then downplay the entire group. Or that they are anti-police (here is a pic of a retired Philly cop being arrested for joining the OWS). Honestly after the last 5 pages or so, I get that some of you don't like OWS. But maybe you should talk about some of their demands (I posted the 20 list awhile back) instead of just describing how you don't like them personally. We might as well talk about the actual issues.

[CowboyGal2011]

We might as well talk about the actual issues.

 

Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda.

 

What more do you need to know?

 

I would say more than half would prefer the end of capitalism, support communism and look up to the like of che, hugo and castro.

[WaterMan]

This writer feels the NYPD has discredited itself. Seems like the NYPD think they are in the middle of an actual war zone.

 

During the Zuccotti Park eviction, the NYPD enforced a strict no-public-access policy in both the park and its surrounding area, ensuring reporters would be virtually prohibited from observing the raid. Press, credentialed or not, were repeatedly barred from proceeding past the newly formed police line. Journalists associated with the Associated Press, the New York Times, the New York Daily News and other outlets were arrested.

 

At one point that morning, I got stuck in a chaotic mass of people, and was nearly battered with a baton while attempting to record video. Some NYPD officers seemed to enjoy all this immensely, especially Police Officer Toussaint — one of the several who laughed as they pummeled everyone in their path. I saw one man get smashed in the face with a riot shield; another was knocked over the hood of a taxi.

 

When I asked one officer why it had suddenly become unlawful to stand on that portion of the sidewalk, she answered, “You’re blocking pedestrian traffic.”

 

Someone called out, “We are pedestrian traffic!” The officer responded, “So are we.”

 

The officer’s remark, of course, was senseless. Taken at face value, it would presumably mean that those of us being impeded from standing on this normally open sidewalk were ourselves responsible for the ensuing obstruction of pedestrian traffic. As if the hundreds of amassed riot cops or newly erected metal barricades had nothing to do with the blockage that she so dryly referenced.

 

It is not good that NYPD officers now live in a world where coherency of argument is no longer even an aspiration. Having spoken to over a hundred police officers throughout Occupy Wall Street, about 70 percent respond to queries by saying nothing at all, another 15 percent grunt or mutter something inaudible, 10 percent make some kind of dismissive remark, and the remaining 5 percent are willing to have a human conversation.

 

If this is the reality of police behavior at a political demonstration in downtown New York City, what has happened to the reality of policing? The NYPD, ostensibly tasked with maintaining public order, has proven that it cannot handle political dissent without exerting anything less than military-style force. For two months, it has continuously abridged the rights of citizens to peaceably assemble, and of journalists to document these assemblies. It has lost its claim to legitimacy.

 

 

http://www.salon.com/2011/11/17/the_nypd_h...self/singleton/

 

 

 

The NYPD seems to be losing favor faster than OWS.

 

Here is a direct quote from New York Supreme Court Judge Karen Smith who was one of those observers and her interaction with a NYPD officer...

 

"I was there to take down the names of people who were arrested… As I’m standing there, some African-American woman goes up to a police officer and says, ‘I need to get in. My daughter’s there. I want to know if she’s OK.’ And he said, ‘Move on, lady.’ And they kept pushing with their sticks, pushing back. And she was crying. And all of a sudden, out of nowhere, he throws her to the ground and starts hitting her in the head,” says Smith. “I walk over, and I say, ‘Look, cuff her if she’s done something, but you don’t need to do that.’ And he said, ‘Lady, do you want to get arrested?’ And I said, ‘Do you see my hat? I’m here as a legal observer.’ He said, ‘You want to get arrested?’ And he pushed me up against the wall."

Edited November 19, 2011 by WaterMan

[Deathpig]

Didn't see this posted yet.

 

Judge rules that protesters are okay, but tents and other camping equipment are not okay. Should be interesting to hear the arguments for and against in the inevitable appeal.

[tosberg34]

OWS Losing support day by day. That's perplexing. You'd think terrorizing kids, crapping on police cars, rioting and disrupting every day life for the 99% they supposedly represent would generate MORE support, not less.

 

I just don't understand.

 

 

Looks like the Tea Party is more favorable than OWS as well.

Edited November 19, 2011 by tosberg34

[gbpfan1231]

OWS Losing support day by day. That's perplexing. You'd think terrorizing kids, crapping on police cars, rioting and disrupting every day life for the 99% they supposedly represent would generate MORE support, not less.

 

I just don't understand.

Jesus man - give it a rest!!

 

That one is for you BP!!!

[tosberg34]

Jesus man - give it a rest!!

 

That one is for you BP!!!

 

Sorry, gb, but the truth has to be told. I am nothing more than a vessel that transports knowledge to the uninformed.

Edited November 19, 2011 by tosberg34

[Ditkaless Wonders]

It says their tactics are drowning out the message. I guess that is right because I have yet to hear their message (singular) . I have heard a couple of dozen (plural) poorly thought out, poorly articulated, and often infantile wishes, but no message. That is probably on me though, I have been busy. Perhaps if they can keep it up for another year or two I will find the time to lend an ear and I will hear their message, perhaps.

Edited November 19, 2011 by Ditkaless Wonders

[WaterMan]

This cop preemptively pepper sprayed some violent protesters before they started raping each other or pooping on the police cars.

 

http://i.imgur.com/0UoEz.jpg

 

 

 

Now we need to see some grannies in scooters get the same treatment at a Tea Party protest.

Edited November 19, 2011 by WaterMan

[WaterMan]

Good thing this hippie was arrested before he threw a molotov.

 

http://i.imgur.com/5ANIV.jpg

 

http://i.imgur.com/pz1jt.jpg

Edited November 19, 2011 by WaterMan

[Ursa Majoris]

It says their tactics are drowning out the message. I guess that is right because I have yet to hear their message (singular) . I have heard a couple of dozen (plural) poorly thought out, poorly articulated, and often infantile wishes, but no message. That is probably on me though, I have been busy. Perhaps if they can keep it up for another year or two I will find the time to lend and ear and I will hear their message, perhaps.

It's an interesting exercise to try to sum up their message. Right wing propaganda has it that their message is "give me everything I want". In fact, that would be the message of the baby boomers more than any other group.

 

Here's a couple of one sentence attempts to sum up what is (or ought to be) their message:

 

Politicians and business are in cahoots to enrich each other and to hell with the vast majority

The economy is rigged to benefit relatively few rather than as many as possible

[WaterMan]

It's an interesting exercise to try to sum up their message. Right wing propaganda has it that their message is "give me everything I want". In fact, that would be the message of the baby boomers more than any other group.

 

Here's a couple of one sentence attempts to sum up what is (or ought to be) their message:

 

Politicians and business are in cahoots to enrich each other and to hell with the vast majority

The economy is rigged to benefit relatively few rather than as many as possible

 

This is a big part of the message along with 10% unemployment:

 

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power...th/Figure_1.gif

[Ditkaless Wonders]

It's an interesting exercise to try to sum up their message. Right wing propaganda has it that their message is "give me everything I want". In fact, that would be the message of the baby boomers more than any other group.

 

Here's a couple of one sentence attempts to sum up what is (or ought to be) their message:

 

Politicians and business are in cahoots to enrich each other and to hell with the vast majority

The economy is rigged to benefit relatively few rather than as many as possible

 

 

I happen to agree with that. Where I lose them is where they apparently believe that an appropriate response to this is to sit in a park, strain municipal resources, and inconvenience their fellow citizens.

Edited November 19, 2011 by Ditkaless Wonders