stevegrab Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 While I certainly see what you're saying.... the "N" word is now used as a non-derogatory fashion as well, even outside of the African-American community. Does that mean we should go and name a team after that historically-racially-insensitive term? I mean, seriously, imagine the uproar for that! I'm part Native American. That said, I couldn't care less what the Washington football team is called. But I can see how some (as "overly PC" you may think they're being) could take offense to it based on their history. Nobody is naming a team Redskins now, the name has been around for a LONG TIME. Of course nobody would name a team that today, or the N word, blacks, micks, guidos, japs or any other name considered offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 It's not the owners fault or problem if people are ignorant (willfully or not) to the origins of his team's name and choose to be offended. Just playing DA here, but who gives a flying crap what the "origin" is? It's how the term has been used in the past, regardless of how the term came to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Nobody is naming a team Redskins now, the name has been around for a LONG TIME. Of course nobody would name a team that today, or the N word, blacks, micks, guidos, japs or any other name considered offensive. Um, so what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebirds55 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Wasington Mandingos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I invite everyone who thinks the term "redskins" is fine to go to the middle of the nearest res and start yelling it. You live up to your name, because that is a bad example... Yes, if you went yelling things in a reservation, it really doesn't matter what you called them, you could call them "the best people in the world", but if you said it in a certain way, then they would construe it as an insult. However, if you went in yelling "Redskins win! Redskins win!" in your RG3 jersey, probably no one would bat an eye. The words mean very little without context, which means everything. Now let's look into the context of why they chose this as their mascot. Clearly it is meant to be a celebration of the native American's fighting spirit. If you didn't mean it in a positive way, why would you use it as your mascot? That makes no sense. That'd be like calling your team the "pu**ies", you'd only be insulting your team who bears the mascot. The overuse of the term "racist" today has become ridiculous, to where you have to pretend everyone's the same and can't even celebrate cultural heritage. It should be reserved for truly hateful speech and actions, whereas it's become an excuse for PC busy-bodies to feel morally superior. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Pat!!! Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 The new PC NFL... New England Zealous Lovers of Country Miami Pelagic Percoid Food Fishes Buffalo Almost Extinct Wild Bison New York Air Transportation Devices Cincinnati Large Bangledeshi Carnivorous Mammals Cleveland Colors Between Red and Yellow in Hue that are Medium to Low in Lightness and Low to Moderate in Saturation Pittsburgh Steel Mill Workers Baltimore Black Passerine Birds Tennessee Very Strong Immortal Beings Jacksonville Large Spotted Cats Indianapolis Young Male Horses Houston Natives of Texas Denver Untamed Beasts of Burden Kansas City Native American Leaders San Diego Shouters of the Word Charge Oakland Takers of Spoils Washington Native Americans New York Very Tall People Dallas Western-Style Laborers Philadelphia Birds of Prey Minnesota Plundering Norsemen Green Bay Meat Industry Workers Detroit Large Carnivorous Cats Chicago Large Mountain Mammals New Orleans Really Good People Atlanta Birds of Prey Tampa Bay West Indies Free Booters Carolina Unspotted Black Leopards St. Louis Male Sheep San Francisco Precious Metal Enthusiasts Seattle Birds of Prey Arizona Male Finches 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Just to clear things up regarding the Chiefs: They were named after H. Roe Bartle, who was the mayor who had a large role in bringing the Texans to Kansas City. His nickname was "The Chief", and the name was chosen by the fans in honor of the mayor. He got his nickname because he founded a group within the Boy Scouts called The Tribe of Mic-O-Say, which was created as a Native American honor society. The Boy Scounts affectionately nicknamed Bartle "The Chief". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 You live up to your name, because that is a bad example... Yes, if you went yelling things in a reservation, it really doesn't matter what you called them, you could call them "the best people in the world", but if you said it in a certain way, then they would construe it as an insult. However, if you went in yelling "Redskins win! Redskins win!" in your RG3 jersey, probably no one would bat an eye. The words mean very little without context, which means everything. I'm laying odds that if I went onto a res (or into an inner city) and started yelling out team names like "EAGLES!" or "STEELERS!" or "PELICANS!" I wouldn't have to worry about someone taking things out of context. As a matter of fact, I'd think that at worst yelling "CHIEFS!" or "BRAVES!" on the res would get you a "wthef are you doing?" at worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Just to clear things up regarding the Chiefs: They were named after H. Roe Bartle, who was the mayor who had a large role in bringing the Texans to Kansas City. His nickname was "The Chief", and the name was chosen by the fans in honor of the mayor. He got his nickname because he founded a group within the Boy Scouts called The Tribe of Mic-O-Say, which was created as a Native American honor society. The Boy Scounts affectionately nicknamed Bartle "The Chief". I take Bartle hunted with flint arrowheads, hence the KC logo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I'm laying odds that if I went onto a res (or into an inner city) and started yelling out team names like "EAGLES!" or "STEELERS!" or "PELICANS!" I wouldn't have to worry about someone taking things out of context. As a matter of fact, I'd think that at worst yelling "CHIEFS!" or "BRAVES!" on the res would get you a "wthef are you doing?" at worst. Yes, and I wager " if you went in yelling "Redskins win! Redskins win!" in your RG3 jersey", they would not take it out of context either. However, you go in and point at people, calling them "Pelicans", even if they don't know why you're using that term, they would assume you meant it offensively. Once again, context means everything, and in this context, it's a name of a football team. It's not being used as an insult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I am a pelican and am offended by this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Yes, and I wager " if you went in yelling "Redskins win! Redskins win!" in your RG3 jersey", they would not take it out of context either. However, you go in and point at people, calling them "Pelicans", even if they don't know why you're using that term, they would assume you meant it offensively. Once again, context means everything, and in this context, it's a name of a football team. It's not being used as an insult. You're going to have to learn to let people like this alone. They know what offends everyone, and further they intend to dictate what you can or cannot say, note, or think. Further, they are convinced that if they can control your speech and thoughts to comply with their desires that the country would be a much better place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 (edited) I am a pelican and am offended by this thread. You would be. Freaking grandstanding pelicans always trying to force their views on others. Ya know, I've changed my mind on this matter. No one should be forced to be associated with the woefully bad Redskins teams we've seen over the years. Edited October 16, 2013 by delusions of grandeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Um, so what? Ok, lets try this again... you posted While I certainly see what you're saying.... the "N" word is now used as a non-derogatory fashion as well, even outside of the African-American community. Does that mean we should go and name a team after that historically-racially-insensitive term? I mean, seriously, imagine the uproar for that! I'm part Native American. That said, I couldn't care less what the Washington football team is called. But I can see how some (as "overly PC" you may think they're being) could take offense to it based on their history. I replied with below, and note the part above which I bolded when I responded. I guess I should have removed the rest of your post so you could see what part I was replying to Nobody is naming a team Redskins now, the name has been around for a LONG TIME. Of course nobody would name a team that today, or the N word, blacks, micks, guidos, japs or any other name considered offensive. Your post was referring to naming a team now, of course we wouldn't, not sure we'd use Indians or Seminoles either. Fighting Irish probably wouldn't be fly eithereither, it would be considered offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 oversensitive ridiculousness. If Snyder renamed them the Washington Wops...or Dagos...or Krauts ..I would not be insulted in the least. it's a football team. who cares? my God it must be nice for the people that stress over these things to not have anything real to be stressed about in their lives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Def. Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Just to clear things up regarding the Chiefs: They were named after H. Roe Bartle, who was the mayor who had a large role in bringing the Texans to Kansas City. His nickname was "The Chief", and the name was chosen by the fans in honor of the mayor. He got his nickname because he founded a group within the Boy Scouts called The Tribe of Mic-O-Say, which was created as a Native American honor society. The Boy Scounts affectionately nicknamed Bartle "The Chief". Unfortunately, I don't think the context of the team name creation matters anymore. If I remember correctly, the Redskins were named such because their coach had Native American heritage and the stadium move which made them get rid of the name Braves. The Browns were also named after their coach. The Packers obviously for the meat packing plants in the region. Redskins are the 1st to be attacked, but if they fall these 2 will probably be shortly behind. The names are just not PC and origins don't matter the moment someone takes offense in today's society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 perhaps the dumbest waste of my life ever ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seattle Sucks Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Washington Columbus's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 The new PC NFL... New England Zealous Lovers of Country Miami Pelagic Percoid Food Fishes Buffalo Almost Extinct Wild Bison New York Air Transportation Devices Cincinnati Large Bangledeshi Carnivorous Mammals Cleveland Colors Between Red and Yellow in Hue that are Medium to Low in Lightness and Low to Moderate in Saturation Pittsburgh Steel Mill Workers Baltimore Black Passerine Birds Tennessee Very Strong Immortal Beings Jacksonville Large Spotted Cats Indianapolis Young Male Horses Houston Natives of Texas Denver Untamed Beasts of Burden Kansas City Native American Leaders San Diego Shouters of the Word Charge Oakland Takers of Spoils Washington Native Americans New York Very Tall People Dallas Western-Style Laborers Philadelphia Birds of Prey Minnesota Plundering Norsemen Green Bay Meat Industry Workers Detroit Large Carnivorous Cats Chicago Large Mountain Mammals New Orleans Really Good People Atlanta Birds of Prey Tampa Bay West Indies Free Booters Carolina Unspotted Black Leopards St. Louis Male Sheep San Francisco Precious Metal Enthusiasts Seattle Birds of Prey Arizona Male Finches Well done sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougsul Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Considering the politics there I would say The Washington Scandals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Considering the politics there I would say The Washington Scandals Washington chives Faces would be more fitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papajohn Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 To make it more fair they could go back and forth between the Washington Redskins and the Washington Whities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojanmojo Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 I still gotta go with the D.C. Redskins. Well-played, Onion, well-played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coordi88 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Washington Pigskins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 You're going to have to learn to let people like this alone. They know what offends everyone, and further they intend to dictate what you can or cannot say, note, or think. Further, they are convinced that if they can control your speech and thoughts to comply with their desires that the country would be a much better place. Do you own a scarecrow factory? Well, you should consider it, with all the straw men you build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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