Wolverines Fan Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) From the article: New York attorney general Eric Schneiderman declared Tuesday that daily fantasy sports constitutes illegal gambling in his state and sent game operators DraftKings and FanDuel cease-and-desist notices in a significant blow to the embattled billion-dollar industry. http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/14100780/new-york-attorney-general-declares-daily-fantasy-sports-gambling Edited November 10, 2015 by Wolverines Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Interesting. I can understand Nevada that is controlled by casinos. Wonder what the beef is in NY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Dang, right when I was ready to try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishPride Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Interesting. I can understand Nevada that is controlled by casinos. Wonder what the beef is in NY? I love my state geographically/seasons but our taxes and government,,,,,,enough said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I love my state geographically/seasons but our taxes and government,,,,,,enough said Preach on brotha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeconsumer Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 The state wants their cut. It's not currently within the scope of their laws to tax the hell out of it, so they just ban it while they work it out. I played fanduel for a few years here in Louisiana (banned) without much trouble. I didn't even need to use my VPN, I just gave them an old address from Florida. I didn't play this year so I can't speak to the current difficulty of bypassing the state laws. I honestly found that for the few years I was doing DFS I really wasn't having much fun, I was just grinding out games to maintain 1-5% profit/week while hoping for tournament upside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphashado Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 isn't it also illegal in NY to sell a large fountain drink? Just saying.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 isn't it also illegal in NY to sell a large fountain drink? Just saying.. That was a city law and was overturned by the state appellate court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin_Akie Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Just needs NY state to agree its deal with Fanduel/DK then all the others states will do something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I have a challenge for the douchebag NY attorney general. You call this a game of chance. Fantastic. Why don't you prove it by jumping in and playing against DMD head to head for the rest of the season. If you win half of the weeks, it truly is a game of chance. But lets get real. You probably wouldn't win even one week. Because you do not have the necessary SKILL. All this is about is the fact that some enterprising people figured out a legal way to make a boatload of money. The kind of opportunity this country was founded on. The American Dream realized. We can't have that. F'ing bunch of commie bastards. Rot in hell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I am sensing that the fantasy community at large is taking a blase approach to this assault on the hobby. Not sure why. Whether you live in one of the affected states or not, whether you play fanduel or not, this governmental aggression should be highly concerning to you. Your rights and freedoms are being systematically stripped from you, not to mention, and most important to them, your money. Granted, those companies kind of invited all this with their obnoxious omnipresent advertising. They invited scrutiny. But it will be interesting to see what that scrutiny yields under the judges gavel in the coming days. If a judge in New York rules that our game is a game of chance, and allows this to stand, I consider that a horrible blow against justice in this country. If the legal system convinces itself that my hours and days, and weeks of research in anticipation of a contest equates to pulling the handle for a predetermined outcome of one of their ripoff slot machines, I'm afraid all may be lost. Common sense is truly dead in the wake of obnoxious greed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 If fantasy football got shut down it isn't the end of the world for some of us. And that isn't likely to happen. Playing fantasy football has been going on for decades, sites collecting money to provide somewhere to play. That's very different from the daily games. There a ton more serious important manure that our government does on a daily business that people should be pissed about. But they care little about those things for some reason. PS How did the NY AG responde to your challenge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramhock Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 They need to be looked into.That $350K shat is cheating. A few leagues is enough action for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 If fantasy football got shut down it isn't the end of the world for some of us. As long as it isn't happening to me....... This is not about whether it matters to an individual in his individual life. It does matter. But this attitude is how the systematic stripping of personal freedoms takes place. Thanks for pounding my point home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeconsumer Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) As long as it isn't happening to me....... This is not about whether it matters to an individual in his individual life. It does matter. But this attitude is how the systematic stripping of personal freedoms takes place. Thanks for pounding my point home. Not disagreeing with what you're saying, but I'm not sure you've really chosen the correct audience. This is a very general political statement on a fantasy football site. So I wouldn't expect much. This is discussion is better suited for reason.com. Edited November 12, 2015 by timeconsumer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Not disagreeing with what you're saying, but I'm not sure you've really chosen the correct audience. This is a very general political statement on a fantasy football site. So I wouldn't expect much. This is discussion is better suited for reason.com. Fair enough. Okay then. As a fantasy football player, I am personally insulted that the NY attorney general thinks my 70 year old father, who rarely watches an NFL game, has an equal chance as me to win a fantasy contest. Because that in effect is what they are claiming. Anybody on-board with being offended? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gourdeau Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) Currently a rally going on in Manhattan outside the attorney generals building. Edited November 13, 2015 by Gourdeau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Fair enough. Okay then. As a fantasy football player, I am personally insulted that the NY attorney general thinks my 70 year old father, who rarely watches an NFL game, has an equal chance as me to win a fantasy contest. Because that in effect is what they are claiming. Anybody on-board with being offended? If you're still playing daily fantasy, you might want to stop. It's basically rigged. Two points are asserted by the NY Attorney General: 1. Both companies encouraged their employees to play on each other’s platforms and against regular customers. “FanDuel recognized that this policy would be ill-received, instructing employees to minimize their public presence ‘so users are less likely to be suspicious or angry’ and avoid becoming ‘among the top five players by volume’ because ‘top players frequently become targets for accusations.’ ” And here's the real kick in the ass, 2. A vast majority of players are net losers, losing far more money playing on the sites than they win. DraftKings data show that 89.3 percent of D.F.S. players had an overall negative return on investment across 2013 and 2014. So, 90% of players lose money at DFS - that sounds like slots odds to me. Your 70-year old father may not know FFL, but if he's not playing I guarantee you he's losing less money than you are. Italicized portions are taken from a NY Times article. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/14458955/new-york-attorney-general-wants-draftkings-fanduel-return-profits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Good read here if you have the time: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/magazine/how-the-daily-fantasy-sports-industry-turns-fans-into-suckers.html?_r=3 I was definitely noticing that it was getting nearly impossible to cash in tournaments, which is why I quit DFS around week 10. This article basically confirms my suspicions that unless you are a professional, you are not going to bring home the big money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Good read here if you have the time: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/magazine/how-the-daily-fantasy-sports-industry-turns-fans-into-suckers.html?_r=3 I was definitely noticing that it was getting nearly impossible to cash in tournaments, which is why I quit DFS around week 10. This article basically confirms my suspicions that unless you are a professional, you are not going to bring home the big money. +1. Glad you posted this and great read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 If you're still playing daily fantasy, you might want to stop. It's basically rigged. Two points are asserted by the NY Attorney General: 1. Both companies encouraged their employees to play on each other’s platforms and against regular customers. “FanDuel recognized that this policy would be ill-received, instructing employees to minimize their public presence ‘so users are less likely to be suspicious or angry’ and avoid becoming ‘among the top five players by volume’ because ‘top players frequently become targets for accusations.’ ” And here's the real kick in the ass, 2. A vast majority of players are net losers, losing far more money playing on the sites than they win. DraftKings data show that 89.3 percent of D.F.S. players had an overall negative return on investment across 2013 and 2014. So, 90% of players lose money at DFS - that sounds like slots odds to me. Your 70-year old father may not know FFL, but if he's not playing I guarantee you he's losing less money than you are. Italicized portions are taken from a NY Times article. I will take the claims from the attorney general under advisement. As for the net loser statistic. How does the net loser statistic look on state sponsored lotteries which have been systematically raping the underclass for decades now? There is no outrage on the government screwing over Joe Blow. None of this information you cite, proves anything. As a matter of fact, it once again helps prove the point The best players win the money. But there will be nobody to defend these companies in a public forum like this, because as the stats bear out, 9 out of 10 of you are losers, and are probably under the delusion that the attorney general of NY should be retrieving all the money you lost in the contests. I have yet to see evidence that these companies did anything illegal, and I think it is deplorable what they are doing to them. Free enterprise under attack. Go commies go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin_Akie Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Good read here if you have the time: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/magazine/how-the-daily-fantasy-sports-industry-turns-fans-into-suckers.html?_r=3 I was definitely noticing that it was getting nearly impossible to cash in tournaments, which is why I quit DFS around week 10. This article basically confirms my suspicions that unless you are a professional, you are not going to bring home the big money. Yeah great read. Being outside the US, I'm not allowed to play on DK or Fanduel so never paid much attention to it or understood the issues with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 To be fair,11 out of 12 players in my homer lose every yr. That said I've never played daily, and dont plan to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I will take the claims from the attorney general under advisement. As for the net loser statistic. How does the net loser statistic look on state sponsored lotteries which have been systematically raping the underclass for decades now? There is no outrage on the government screwing over Joe Blow. None of this information you cite, proves anything. As a matter of fact, it once again helps prove the point The best players win the money. But there will be nobody to defend these companies in a public forum like this, because as the stats bear out, 9 out of 10 of you are losers, and are probably under the delusion that the attorney general of NY should be retrieving all the money you lost in the contests. I have yet to see evidence that these companies did anything illegal, and I think it is deplorable what they are doing to them. Free enterprise under attack. Go commies go. To be clear, I don't think that the sites should be shut down. I am certainly no fan of the Nanny Government. That said, these guys should be regulated similar to casinos. A little disclosure about what you are up against in terms of big players using algorithms is in order IMO. And I still have my doubts about the employee who won that big prize - I am not convinced that he didn't have an unfair advantage just because Fan Duel says so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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