rajncajn Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Saints trying to deal Darren Howard Friday, March 11, 2005 Saints trying to deal Darren Howard By Jeff Duncan The Times-Picayune The Dallas Cowboys have emerged as the primary suitor for Saints defensive end Darren Howard, but a handful of other teams have expressed interest in trading for New Orleans’ franchise free agent in recent days, NFL sources said Friday. Dallas, along with at least one other unnamed team, is negotiating a long-term contract with Howard’s agent, Gary Wichard, the source said. The deal could pay Howard up to $17 million in bonus money. While Dallas is considered the front-runner, Miami, Minnesota, Seattle, Washington and at least two other teams also have engaged in trade talks with Saints officials in the past week. Oakland and Kansas City also have been mentioned as possible suitors, but an NFL source said Friday that neither is a candidate at this time. The Saints are seeking a first-round draft pick or a starting defensive player in return for Howard, a five-year veteran who led the Saints with 11 sacks last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myhousekey Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Interesting. I was hoping we could somehow package him and a draft pick and pry Julian Peterson from the 49ers. We really need an impact LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted March 12, 2005 Author Share Posted March 12, 2005 (edited) Interesting. I was hoping we could somehow package him and a draft pick and pry Julian Peterson from the 49ers. We really need an impact LB. 731058[/snapback] Speculation is it's for Dat Nguyen & a 2nd rounder. :keepingfingerscrossed: Edited March 12, 2005 by rajncajn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 I hope Jerry and the boys aren't willing to give up a first round pick for him. I'm really not thrilled about Dat and a 2nd. I'd rather see Glover and a 2nd. Dat, while undersized is a gamer that I'd hate to see the boys loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted March 12, 2005 Author Share Posted March 12, 2005 I hope Jerry and the boys aren't willing to give up a first round pick for him. I'm really not thrilled about Dat and a 2nd. I'd rather see Glover and a 2nd. Dat, while undersized is a gamer that I'd hate to see the boys loose. 731140[/snapback] Problem is Parcells has never liked him. Benson on the other hand loves the guy. Either way I'd be happy, but I prefer Dat & the 2nd. A 1st is never a gaurantee of anything & the Saints have proved before that they can screw up a pick. Dat, as you said, is a gamer & would be a huge upgrade to our LBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Well, the Seahawks are out....they badly need their pick and they only have like 2 starting defensive players left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted March 12, 2005 Author Share Posted March 12, 2005 Well, the Seahawks are out....they badly need their pick and they only have like 2 starting defensive players left 731154[/snapback] From what I understand the Seahawks were pulling for him as well, but I believe Dallas has more to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Interesting. I was hoping we could somehow package him and a draft pick and pry Julian Peterson from the 49ers. We really need an impact LB. 731058[/snapback] And you'd want a linebacker that has just blown up his Achillles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted March 12, 2005 Author Share Posted March 12, 2005 And you'd want a linebacker that has just blown up his Achillles? 731161[/snapback] Exactly, I'll pass on Peterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Interesting. I was hoping we could somehow package him and a draft pick and pry Julian Peterson from the 49ers. We really need an impact LB. 731058[/snapback] SF is bad enough they can't get rid of Peterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 And you'd want a linebacker that has just blown up his Achillles? 731161[/snapback] Yeah but for the 49s he is a definete postive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 I guess this would mean Dallas has decided to go with a 4-3 D? I thought Ferguson was gotten to be a NT, not a slant NT, the position he played with the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted March 12, 2005 Author Share Posted March 12, 2005 (edited) www.dallasnews.com/sports/football/ Sources: Cowboys may deal Nguyen to Saints for DE12:02 AM CST on Saturday, March 12, 2005 By JEAN-JACQUES TAYLOR / The Dallas Morning News IRVING – The Cowboys, who have not had a defensive end with double-digit sacks in nearly a decade, are in serious negotiations with New Orleans to acquire defensive end Darren Howard, two sources said Friday night. The sources said the Cowboys are considering trading middle linebacker Dat Nguyen and a second-round pick in April's draft to New Orleans for Howard. Howard (6-3, 275 pounds), a five-year veteran from Kansas State, had 11 sacks last season and 41 in his career. The former second-round pick had 11 sacks as a rookie. He is currently involved in a salary dispute with the Saints, who have placed the franchise tag on him, meaning his salary is equal to the average of the five highest-paid defensive ends. If he doesn't sign the contract by 3 p.m. Monday, he and the Saints can't negotiate a long-term deal that would help the Saints lower his salary-cap figure in 2005 and provide him with the long-term security that he desires. The Saints also franchised Howard last season. A source close to Howard said he has not yet entered serious contract negotiations with the Cowboys, but the sides have an idea of the parameters for working out an agreement. Howard's name first surfaced in trade talk three days ago at the club's Valley Ranch training complex, but the talks didn't gain momentum until Friday, according to two sources. Jeff Ireland, who's running the Cowboys' pro and college scouting department, called SMU coach Phil Bennett last week to inquire about Howard. Bennett was the defensive coordinator at Kansas State when Howard played there. Edited March 12, 2005 by rajncajn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myhousekey Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 And you'd want a linebacker that has just blown up his Achillles? 731161[/snapback] Now you understand how much I don't like our LB'ing corp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 If the CowPokes send Nguyen and a 2nd for Howard, my guess is that their intentions would be to draft Derrick Johnson. Maybe hoping he falls to them at the 11, or even moving up to ensure they get him. Especially with Coakley being gone. Howard can play the 3 - 4 0r the 4 - 3 D. The Saints played him at DT a few times late last year and he acquited himself well, showing good run stuffing ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 If this goes down, Dallas DL will be a 3-4 with Ellis and Howard as the DE and Ferguson and Glover rotating at DT. Dallas would then have LB Bradie James playing outside and Al Singleton playing the other OLB. Dallas would then need 2 ILB, and Id love to see them get in the Hartwell sweepstakes and then draft either D Johnson or S Merriman at 11, and then get the FS they need so desperately in Brodney Poole at 20. This could be the most revamped D in the league in just 1 season, after finishing #1 in the league in D the season before. Amazing how many changes have already taken place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 I thought the reason Howard wants out is because he doesnt want to play in the 3-4? And did Dallas really spend all that money on Ferguson to have him be in a rotation at NT? I've read that, based on who Dallas picks up, personell-wise this off season would determine if they go 3-4 or 4-3. If they get Howard, they have 2 good DE's, and 2 good DT's..... and would only need one more LB to fill in thier starting front 7. I think if they aquire Howard, that would indicate a decision to go with the 4-3. Parcells would prefer the 3-4, but based on this, and the fact that both Jones and Parcells said who they can bring in will determine the D set, it's looking like a 4-3 to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 (edited) Dallas will never be a full time 3-4, 4-3 team. They will play alot of both. But quality DL are harder to find than LB, which they can pick up for just cash with no picks in Hartwell. Either way, its a huge upgrade to get rid od Nygun for Howard, but I hate giving up the 2nd rounder. Id like to see it as a 4th, sicne they dont have a 3rd. You can almost guarantee Dallas trades down from 20, to get more picks if they do send a 2nd to NO. Edited March 12, 2005 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myhousekey Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 Good luck hoping D Johnson falls to you at #11 Dallas. That guys stock is getting higher every day. I thiink you and every other team is trying to figure out a way to trade up to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 Johnson is gone by 1.5, I agree. The guy has all the makings of a future MAJOR stud, and can step in as a starter immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 (edited) Merriman is the John Abraham clone Parcells wants. DJ will be long gone by 11, in fact Id be surprised if Cleveland passes on him at #3 Edited March 13, 2005 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOO Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 I thought the reason Howard wants out is because he doesnt want to play in the 3-4? No, the Saints don't play the 3-4. He wants out because: a) We drafted Will Smith last year and now have Howard and 2 1st rounders at DE (Charles Grant is the other- both solid players) The Saints made Howard play a good bit of DT last year, a position he doesn't like but did it for the good of the team (he also rotated at DE with Smith) c) He wants a long-term contract, and the Saints won't do that with so much $$ tied up in their other two DE's The latest reports on the trade, however, are that it is nixed for now. The Saints have multiple suitors for Howard, so who knows what will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 Ah, Ok, BOO, I knew it was something he wanst too pleased about, I thought it was a switch to a 3-4. Thanks, bad mistake for me it I dont know what sort of D the Saints will run when going after IDPs' eh? Must...read...more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cordo Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 No, the Saints don't play the 3-4. He wants out because: a) We drafted Will Smith last year and now have Howard and 2 1st rounders at DE (Charles Grant is the other- both solid players) The Saints made Howard play a good bit of DT last year, a position he doesn't like but did it for the good of the team (he also rotated at DE with Smith) c) He wants a long-term contract, and the Saints won't do that with so much $$ tied up in their other two DE's The latest reports on the trade, however, are that it is nixed for now. The Saints have multiple suitors for Howard, so who knows what will happen. 732011[/snapback] Plus Anthony Simmons is in today and tomorrow for a visit. Sign him and it's really hard to say what we try to get for Howard. And a small note -- over the last 5 or 6 weeks last year we did play a quasi- 3-4 where Will Smith was up as a LB and moved around alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTheWebToedBoy Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 Looks like the Boys want to keep Nguyen after all.... http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/football/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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