redcoltfan Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Here is a simple keeper question for all you- I have the option to keep N. Burleson (5% against cap) or M. Clayton (2% against cap). The money really doesn't matter, I want the better WR. Who would you keep? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Do you get anything extra for return duties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcoltfan Posted May 25, 2005 Author Share Posted May 25, 2005 Extra points for PUNT return TD's only. No return yardage. 1 point per 10 Rush/Rec. yards 3 point bonus per 125+ Rush/Rec. yards 6 points per Rush/Rec. TD. Thanks, Good question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Burleson is the better WR, in my opinion. But Clayton would be far superior value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumont Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Clayton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhippens Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 i like clayton as the value pick and as the better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 i like clayton as the value pick and as the better player. 821384[/snapback] Ditto. Minnesota may be a slightly better offense to be in as a WR but Clayton is one of the best in the game and will be for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerz Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 I'm going to agree with Clayton, especially for the price! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apathy Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 I'm going to agree with Clayton, especially for the price! 821499[/snapback] Another vote for Clayton. He has great skills and is allegedly one of the smarter WRs in the league (for what that's worth). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haskel Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 One could argue that with Moss out, Burleson's numbers are going to improve tremendously... BUT.. I still think Clayton is going to be the more productive WR...both next season and long term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stimer Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Another vote for Clayton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcoltfan Posted May 26, 2005 Author Share Posted May 26, 2005 WOW! A lot of love for the BUC. DMD has Nate listed a slot or two higher on his board. I think Clayton's price is great too but the lack of talent at QB and the addition of a SOLID runner really make me wonder about Mr. Clayton's second year. Don't you all like C-Pepp and what he brings instead of ?? QB in TBAY?!? Thanks for all the advice! I am still thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 DMD has Nate listed a slot or two higher on his board. 822719[/snapback] As do I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 1)DMD has Nate listed a slot or two higher on his board. 2)Don't you all like C-Pepp and what he brings instead of ?? QB in TBAY?!? 822719[/snapback] 1)Only "a slot or two higher" tells me DMD thinks they're pretty similar. Probably separated by, as I mentioned earlier, the fact that MINN appears to be a slightly better system for a WR. 2)I'm not saying Griese is Daunte Culpepper and I know projecting stats over a whole season based on a partial season only carries so much weight but last season... Culpepper(with Moss for 13 games) - 4700yds/39TDs/111 QB rating Griese(projected from 10 games to 16) - 4100/32TDs/98 QB rating Again, I'm not saying Griese compares to CPep as a football player but I can't agree with the assessment that there is a lack of QB talent in TB. In fact, I believe that Griese, beginning the season as the starter with a year in the system under his belt, will be better than last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 1)Only "a slot or two higher" tells me DMD thinks they're pretty similar. Probably separated by, as I mentioned earlier, the fact that MINN appears to be a slightly better system for a WR. 2)I'm not saying Griese is Daunte Culpepper and I know projecting stats over a whole season based on a partial season only carries so much weight but last season... Culpepper(with Moss for 13 games) - 4700yds/39TDs/111 QB rating Griese(projected from 10 games to 16) - 4100/32TDs/98 QB rating Again, I'm not saying Griese compares to CPep as a football player but I can't agree with the assessment that there is a lack of QB talent in TB. In fact, I believe that Griese, beginning the season as the starter with a year in the system under his belt, will be better than last year. 822827[/snapback] No BS coming from BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Furley Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 I'm going against the majority here, but I would keep Burleson to be honest. I think that for Minnesota to let go of Moss, they must have felt very comfortable with the skills that Burleson has. I'm not saying he'll put up Moss numbers, but I think he will put up numbers worthy to be kept over Clayton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 1)Only "a slot or two higher" tells me DMD thinks they're pretty similar. Probably separated by, as I mentioned earlier, the fact that MINN appears to be a slightly better system for a WR. 2)I'm not saying Griese is Daunte Culpepper and I know projecting stats over a whole season based on a partial season only carries so much weight but last season... Culpepper(with Moss for 13 games) - 4700yds/39TDs/111 QB rating Griese(projected from 10 games to 16) - 4100/32TDs/98 QB rating Again, I'm not saying Griese compares to CPep as a football player but I can't agree with the assessment that there is a lack of QB talent in TB. In fact, I believe that Griese, beginning the season as the starter with a year in the system under his belt, will be better than last year. 822827[/snapback] The main thing to keep in mind is that, assuming Griese is the starting QB, he loves to throw to Clayton. Minn. will have much more of a running game than they have in the past, thus lowering Cpepp and Burelson's overall ranking a little. TBay on the other hand won't change their offense at all from last year. Even with a questionable running game Clayton had a great year last year as a rookie. Most receivers make a nice jump between their rookie season and their 2nd season, so Clayton could actually do better. Burleson will probably end up with similar numbers as he did from last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogo2146 Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 I have to go with Clayton since i drafted him like you plus Minn wants to run the ball this season. Eventhough nate will be the main Wr he is no R. Moss his #'s will be good but nat as good as Clayton. I would try and trade nate to the person that has C. Pep Clayton = STUD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 (edited) Sorry boys but I'm with DMD on this one all the way. I really like Clayton but that Burleson kid is pretty darn special. I don't think Clayton will have as many catches this year. Last season, their whole receiving corps and Charlie Garner all got hurt, leaving Clayton as the only option, and the youngster showed that he has good enough hands to be very productive. This season they'll have some more options at WR, and Cadillac should get his share of catches....all of this on an team that doesn't score that many points as it is and still relies heavily on their defense. However, Burleson is the better talent and is in a far better situation. SOMEBODY has to catch all those TDs. "Oh, Duante likes to throw the fade!"====perfect, how about the guy who has one of the highest vertical jumps in the history of the NFL combine (not Randy Moss). The most amazing thing in watching Burleson though is how polished he is. Accelerates out of breaks, uses his hands, catches the ball at its highest point, etc... this kid is gonna be a good one Edited May 27, 2005 by Seahawks21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 It's pretty close, and since you say the $ doesn't necessarily matter, go with the guy that's in the more potent offense: Burleson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Pimp Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 I have to make the same decision and I'm going with Burleson. I like the offense better and with Caddy now at RB and a healthy WR group, I'm seeing Clayton's value drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
780 Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 Burleson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerz Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 so, redcoltfan, have we cleared that up for you??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcoltfan Posted May 28, 2005 Author Share Posted May 28, 2005 Yup. Chargerz, It is as clear as mud now I am still thinking but I really like the more POTENT offense theory. I also think that Nate could POTENTIALLY have better numbers than Clayton. Both are locks for top 15 WR's. Maybe only one in the top 10? Make sense? No, not really but it sure is fun talking about it. Thanks again ADVISERS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 Late to the party, but I have Burleson in a keeper league and will be hanging on to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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