Crazysight Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 This ones a long shot but my dynasty team could definitely use a sleeper runningback (whose couldn't?). Anyone have tabs on any obscure, unheralded, potential sleepers coming out that you think might pan out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Brian Leonard seems to be skating between being listed as a FB and a RB right now. He is probably the best FB out there, but if he is drafted and used by a team as more of a pure power RB, then he might be a decent sleeper pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Guys that I'm targeting in the 3rd/4th rounds of a dynasty draft: Brandon Jackson, NEB Darius Walker, ND Dwayne Wright, Fresno St All 3 guys have the right constitution to potentially succeed in the NFL, have good size, and have dropped for one reason or another. Jackson was caught in a NEB O that started focusing on passing (which has helped his receiving skills), Walker was caught in Quinn's shadow, and Wright had a horrible patellar tendon injury that he looks like he as turned the corner on after his performance last season. I'm also looking at 2 guys late in the draft: Alvin Banks, Jame Madison Germaine Race Pittsburgh St Both guys have strong resumes but played in less than nationally known programs. Their size is right, they have undeniable talent, and either could break through into the NFL as potential starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Guys that I'm targeting in the 3rd/4th rounds of a dynasty draft: Brandon Jackson, NEB Darius Walker, ND Dwayne Wright, Fresno St All 3 guys have the right constitution to potentially succeed in the NFL, have good size, and have dropped for one reason or another. Jackson was caught in a NEB O that started focusing on passing (which has helped his receiving skills), Walker was caught in Quinn's shadow, and Wright had a horrible patellar tendon injury that he looks like he as turned the corner on after his performance last season. I'm also looking at 2 guys late in the draft: Alvin Banks, Jame Madison Germaine Race Pittsburgh St Both guys have strong resumes but played in less than nationally known programs. Their size is right, they have undeniable talent, and either could break through into the NFL as potential starters. Great answer, as always, BB. Couple more that I'll add are: Chris Henry (no, not THAT one): This guy is your typical "workout stud" athlete that will impress with his measurables, not his college stats. Heard an interview with the guy on Sirius radio; the kid has a decent head on his shoulders and realized that his college team (Arizona) was in a serious state of flux (read: sucking, trying to improve) and the coaching staff was trying out different players in different situations, etc. If Henry is drafted into a situation where he is given even the most sparing of playing time, and he picks up the offense well, this kid could be something. Reminds me (and others) of Steven Jackson. And it's not just the hair. Just look at his senior year's stats. Not mind-blowing, but decent. Chris Henry scouting report Selvin Young: He's gonna get drafted in the late rounds. He's versatile. Most importantly, he can BLOCK. Sounds like a solid 3rd down back. In the right situation, he could be a valuable backup to a team. And who knows, perhaps he works on his mental game. Not sure he'll ever be a starting fantasy RB but could have value as a handcuff or backup fantasy RB in larger dynasty leagues. Selvin Young scouting report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Great answer, as always, BB. Couple more that I'll add are: Chris Henry (no, not THAT one): This guy is your typical "workout stud" athlete that will impress with his measurables, not his college stats. Heard an interview with the guy on Sirius radio; the kid has a decent head on his shoulders and realized that his college team (Arizona) was in a serious state of flux (read: sucking, trying to improve) and the coaching staff was trying out different players in different situations, etc. If Henry is drafted into a situation where he is given even the most sparing of playing time, and he picks up the offense well, this kid could be something. Reminds me (and others) of Steven Jackson. And it's not just the hair. Just look at his senior year's stats. Not mind-blowing, but decent. Chris Henry scouting report Selvin Young: He's gonna get drafted in the late rounds. He's versatile. Most importantly, he can BLOCK. Sounds like a solid 3rd down back. In the right situation, he could be a valuable backup to a team. And who knows, perhaps he works on his mental game. Not sure he'll ever be a starting fantasy RB but could have value as a handcuff or backup fantasy RB in larger dynasty leagues. Selvin Young scouting report I almost included Henry because of his phenominal measureables. I always hesitate to get too high on a guy just because of his combine numbers, and I worry about stuff that can't be learned, like vision and evasive instincts. That his immmaturity is almost as great a deficit for him as his physical abilities are a plus makes drafting him very worrisome for me, but if he's hanging around late in a draft it might be worth burning a pick. Young's physical attributes really concern me in the NFL. The guy is bow legged and has very stiff hips, and that's a death knell for a featured RB in the NFL. He could end up being a decent short yardage/goal line vulture because you can aim him at the line like a missle & he'll hit the hole with great impact. He can also catch a little swinging out of the backfield, though he's not going to take it a long distance on anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 I almost included Henry because of his phenominal measureables. I always hesitate to get too high on a guy just because of his combine numbers, and I worry about stuff that can't be learned, like vision and evasive instincts. That his immmaturity is almost as great a deficit for him as his physical abilities are a plus makes drafting him very worrisome for me, but if he's hanging around late in a draft it might be worth burning a pick. Young's physical attributes really concern me in the NFL. The guy is bow legged and has very stiff hips, and that's a death knell for a featured RB in the NFL. He could end up being a decent short yardage/goal line vulture because you can aim him at the line like a missle & he'll hit the hole with great impact. He can also catch a little swinging out of the backfield, though he's not going to take it a long distance on anyone. Right, I won't get TOO high on Henry. But as a flier in later rounds for those that don't have much meat, RB-wise, on their dynasty team's taxi squad, he's an intriguing option. I don't think Young will ever be a featured back. I didn't specifically say that in my initial post, but did say that there'd be no way he'd be a #1 or even #2 fantasy RB. But hey, in larger, PPR dynasty leagues, the guy could potentially be an option as a bye week fill-in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Right, I won't get TOO high on Henry. But as a flier in later rounds for those that don't have much meat, RB-wise, on their dynasty team's taxi squad, he's an intriguing option. I don't think Young will ever be a featured back. I didn't specifically say that in my initial post, but did say that there'd be no way he'd be a #1 or even #2 fantasy RB. But hey, in larger, PPR dynasty leagues, the guy could potentially be an option as a bye week fill-in. I've got no knock on your stuff, and those are a couple of interesting names out there. As the talent thins in drafts, flyers become the norm in later rounds. Better a flyer that might actually stick on a roster than just throwing a dart at a draft page & hoping for the best. Keep those opinions coming, my man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 I've got no knock on your stuff, and those are a couple of interesting names out there. As the talent thins in drafts, flyers become the norm in later rounds. Better a flyer that might actually stick on a roster than just throwing a dart at a draft page & hoping for the best. Keep those opinions coming, my man! Thanks. Right, fliers are a-plenty, but as we all know, RBs are fantasy gold, especially in dynasty leagues. Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Pierre Rambert. Illinois State. 5-11/223. Michigan transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Pierre Rambert. Illinois State. 5-11/223. Michigan transfer. Could you embellish a bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 (edited) Where does a player like Garrett Wolfe go? Rivals.com has him rated #23 among draft-eligible RB's. Yes, his size is a factor...he's 5"6", 175 lbs. But considering his success at northern Illinous (2K rushing yds last season), should he not be worth a flyer, say in rounds 5-6? Edited March 29, 2007 by The Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Could you embellish a bit? Are you in one of my dynasty leagues? 1743 yards, 16 tds his senior season. Scout.com says: "Athletic ball carrier who improved his game as a senior. Displays a slashing style with the ability to slide off tackles, squeezes through the small openings of the defense and quickly gets through the hole. Flashes strength as a runner and blocker. Solid receiver who extends to make the reception away from his frame, and has soft hands." "Does not consistently play like a 210-pound back and does too much dancing, rather than taking the ball up field. Easily knocked off balance by the first hit." His pro day workouts were kind of lame: 31" vertical, 8'10" broad jump, and a 4.56 in the 40. He did have 21 bench press reps, which is solid for an RB, and a 7.09 cone run. Measured 5-11/223. I've been researching his Michigan tenure, and it just looks like he just fell out of favor in the post-Chris Perry season when Michael Hart established himself. Was used as the tailback in passing situations for his blocking abilities and played on special teams both seasons he was there. His size is impressive. His strength is intriguing. I'm not so sure he's athletic enough with the workout numbers, but he dominated at the 1-AA level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Where does a player like Garrett Wolfe go? Rivals.com has him rated #23 among draft-eligible RB's. Yes, his size is a factor...he's 5"6", 175 lbs. But considering his success at northern Illinous (2K rushing yds last season), should he not be worth a flyer, say in rounds 5-6? I like watching Garrett Wolfe play. I still have a hard time believing that a guy his size can be a featured back to the degree he'd warrant a roster spot on a fantasy team. However, I believe he can serve a purpose on an NFL team as an offensive weapon the opponents can't immediately adjust to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 (edited) I'm such a homer. I like Jackie Battle, RB, Univ of Houston. Scout.com has him at : SR 6-2/239/4.70, #15 on their RB list. Not quite sure where they got the 4.70 40 from, as he wasn't invited to the Combine, and his Pro Day had him clocked in the 4.4's. His size may put him at the FB position in the NFL. Not great numbers in college, as UH was a pass-first, -second, and -third down type of football team the last several years (see Kevin Kolb, QB), as well as a RBBC system. However, every time I was able to catch a UH game, I was hoping Battle would get the ball, as he kept the chains moving. You need 3 yds? He gets 5, then falls forward for another 2. Breaks tackles. Very rarely did I see him lose yardage. From Scout.com Bio: Part-time starter the past two years totaling career numbers of 184/943/15 carrying the ball as a senior. Junior totals included 408-yards rushing and five scores. Pos: Nice-sized short-yardage runner best between tackles. Finds the running lanes, works runs on the inside and falls forward when tackled. Keeps his feet moving on contact and strong ball carrier who picks up the tough yardage. Displays vision as a ball carrier or blocker. Neg: Straight-line runner who does not have the speed to get around the corner. Average hands out of the backfield. Not decisive nor elusive. That's pretty confusing, as he had 943 yds, 5.1 ypc, 15 TDs in his senior season -- not his college career. He had a pretty strong Pro Day this past week. Some are saying he moved up to the 1st-day draft. But, I doubt it only because he's relatively unknown, from a conference that does't get a lot of media attention (Conference USA). Edit : USAToday has him at 4.42 in the 40, ranked 14th overall in RBs. Edited March 30, 2007 by rhino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazysight Posted March 30, 2007 Author Share Posted March 30, 2007 "I'm also looking at 2 guys late in the draft: Alvin Banks, Jame Madison Germaine Race Pittsburgh St" Alvin Banks was also one I had noticed. Came from a small school and was offset by injuries in college, but has good size, speed and his style has been compared to Curtis Martin (which is the type of runningback I'm looking at as he was a late round pick for similar reasons). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 I'm such a homer. I like Jackie Battle, RB, Univ of Houston. Scout.com has him at : SR 6-2/239/4.70, #15 on their RB list. Not quite sure where they got the 4.70 40 from, as he wasn't invited to the Combine, and his Pro Day had him clocked in the 4.4's. His size may put him at the FB position in the NFL. Not great numbers in college, as UH was a pass-first, -second, and -third down type of football team the last several years (see Kevin Kolb, QB), as well as a RBBC system. However, every time I was able to catch a UH game, I was hoping Battle would get the ball, as he kept the chains moving. You need 3 yds? He gets 5, then falls forward for another 2. Breaks tackles. Very rarely did I see him lose yardage. That's pretty confusing, as he had 943 yds, 5.1 ypc, 15 TDs in his senior season -- not his college career. He had a pretty strong Pro Day this past week. Some are saying he moved up to the 1st-day draft. But, I doubt it only because he's relatively unknown, from a conference that does't get a lot of media attention (Conference USA). Edit : USAToday has him at 4.42 in the 40, ranked 14th overall in RBs. He was being talked about today on NFL radio and it was very favorable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 He was being talked about today on NFL radio and it was very favorable. That's good to know. I always wonder what kind of attention this kid is getting outside the Houston circle. Thanks for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 There is this guy from Oklahoma, I wouldnt sleep on....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazysight Posted April 1, 2007 Author Share Posted April 1, 2007 That's good to know. I always wonder what kind of attention this kid is getting outside the Houston circle. Thanks for that. His name isn't even listed on NFL.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggsy Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 There is this guy from Oklahoma, I wouldnt sleep on....... especially if you need a player to fill your team's IR spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 His name isn't even listed on NFL.com If you're looking at nfl.com, under "players", I don't see Adrian Peterson there either. Guys aren't listed until they are drafted -- and sometimes it takes them to be signed before they are listed under nfl.com's "Player" section. Or, are you looking elsewhere? I just found nfl.com's "prospect" list -- and it appears they only listed those that were invited to the Combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I like watching Garrett Wolfe play. I still have a hard time believing that a guy his size can be a featured back to the degree he'd warrant a roster spot on a fantasy team. However, I believe he can serve a purpose on an NFL team as an offensive weapon the opponents can't immediately adjust to. Yeah, 5'6" 175 just doesn't have the size - I'm leery of any RB under 190, and I go lower than most as far as weight goes. That's the size of Lionel "Little Train" James, and while he was a nice weapon for SD back in the mid-80s, he maxed out at 200 touches. gts is correct that a player as talented as he is should at least stick somewhere but probably doesn't have fantasy value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 If you're looking at nfl.com, under "players", I don't see Adrian Peterson there either. Guys aren't listed until they are drafted -- and sometimes it takes them to be signed before they are listed under nfl.com's "Player" section. Or, are you looking elsewhere? I just found nfl.com's "prospect" list -- and it appears they only listed those that were invited to the Combine. He's looking at the prospect page at the draft board at nfl.com most likely. Profiles come from draftscout.com, I believe. If a site is dedicated to only the NFL draft and they can't put forth profiles of these lower level guys, then what the hell are they in business for? There are a dozen free sites or more that you can get info & comments on for the combine guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazysight Posted April 3, 2007 Author Share Posted April 3, 2007 Yeah was looking at the draft page. So Banks and Battle are two guys I will keep an eye on at any rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Courteney Lewis, he is just like Tatum Bell but with slightly less top end speed. I predict he will go to Denver in the 2nd http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...rtneylewis.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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