CPep a better value that Manning

[Jedi]

I'm not a fan of CPep, but why all the push for Manning as the "only tier1 qb" in fantasy drafts this year? In this scoring system, which is fairly standard outside the -3 for Int's, CPep was within 1 ppg lower than Manning last year. In addition, he finished around 100 pts above the next best QB and the top 3 RBs.

 

Isn't Culpepper the better valued stud here considering expected draft positions? Yes, I'm aware Moss is gone.

 

 

PASSINGPassing TDs	1	6.00Passing Yds	1	0.05Passing Interception (thrown)	1	-3.002 Pt Conversion	1	2.00

 

 

 

                                   Pass Pass Pass Pass Pass Rush Rush Rush Rec  Rec Num 2Pt   Fan #   Pos Player               NFL Comp  Att  Yds  TDs  Int  Att  Yds  TDs TDs  Yds Rec Rec   Pts--- - --- -------------------- --- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- --- ---- --- --- ----- 1 * QB  MANNING,PEYTON       IND  336  497 4557   49   10   25   38    0   0    0   0   0 448.5 2 * QB  CULPEPPER,DAUNTE     MIN  379  549 4717   39   11   89  406    2   0    0   0   0 436.3 3 * QB  MCNABB,DONOVAN       PHI  300  469 3875   31    8   42  221    3   0    0   0   0 339.3 4 * RB  BARBER,TIKI          NYG    0    0    0    0    0  322 1518   13   2  578  52   0 319.6 5 * RB  ALEXANDER,SHAUN      SEA    0    0    0    0    0  353 1696   16   4  170  23   0 309.1 6 * RB  TOMLINSON,LADAINIAN  SD     1    2   38    0    0  339 1335   17   1  441  53   0 308.5

 

[Big Score 1]

Take a hard look at C-Peps avg game numbers, when Moss was out.

 

Now take another look at his avg game numbers, when Moss was playing.

 

That's why Manning is Tier 1 by his lonesome this year.

[Turf Smurf]

I'm not a fan of CPep, but why all the push for Manning as the "only tier1 qb" in fantasy drafts this year? In this scoring system, which is fairly standard outside the -3 for Int's, CPep was within 1 ppg lower than Manning last year. In addition, he finished around 100 pts above the next best QB and the top 3 RBs.

 

Isn't Culpepper the better valued stud here considering expected draft positions? Yes, I'm aware Moss is gone.

 

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[westvirginia]

Take a hard look at C-Peps avg game numbers, when Moss was out.

 

Now take another look at his avg game numbers, when Moss was playing.

 

That's why Manning is Tier 1 by his lonesome this year.

 

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And this is the crux of the matter... Good info here.

[Jedi]

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Play nice

[Turf Smurf]

Play nice

 

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Maybe in your land, but knot mine.

[ts]

Moss was out weeks 7,8,9,10,11 (he played a couple of series in 2 of those weeks, but as Moss owners who started him might recall, hardly moved off the line) Cpep's numbers below, FWIW:

 

 

W17  WAS  27  44  299  2  W16  GBP  16  23  285  3   W15  DET  25  35  404  3   W14  SEA  21  33  270  1   W13  CHI  23  33  279  2 W12  JAX  19  27  235  1 W11  DET  22  32  233  2  W10  GBP  27  44  363  4   W9   IND  16  19  169  1  W8   NYG  24  41  231  1   W7   TEN  24  30  183  1 W6   NOS  26  37  425  5  W5   HOU  36  50  396  5   W3   CHI  19  30  360  2  W2   PHI  37  47  343  1   W1   DAL  17  23  242  5   

 

[Turf Smurf]

WV, maybe I'm insane, but my gut says Manning AND Moss get hurt this year. I can't believe I am even still typing, but what ever. Hold 'em has been good to me this year

[Jedi]

Take a hard look

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Right you are Sir.. I was only glancing at the numbers. Without Moss he still posted a 40 point game and a 24 point game.

 

Here's the "hard look".....

With Moss: 30.14

Without: 20.96

 

and tossing out the high/low just to be sure:

With Moss: 29.58

Without: 18.33

[Jedi]

Maybe in your land, but knot mine.   

 

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[Turf Smurf]

 

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Knuckle Head....I know I owe the group MANY stats....but knot now....I just don't have the b/w that some do....y tab will be repaid

[Jedi]

but knot now

 

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why knot ?

[Turf Smurf]

You in the MVP Challenge Jedi?

Edited August 6, 2005 by Turf Smurf

[Jedi]

No, would you like me to be?

[Turf Smurf]

No, would you like me to be?

 

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No, it's not relevant, never mind.

 

However, if you could ask Devil Woman to bring the limes over.....that would be appreciated beyond you imangination.

[Jedi]

No, it's not relevant, never mind.

 

However, if you could ask Devil Woman to bring the limes over.....that would be appreciated beyond you imangination. 

 

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Khloe, Kim and Kourtney Kardashian ?

[Jedi]

Wait a sec. Turf, you hijacked the topic, nice.

 

Back to CPep with and without Moss.. Wouldn't Randy's first two weeks out be a difficult adjustment for anyone? Figuring so, that could be a good reason for weeks 7 and 8 showing down numbers for CPep. Week 9 he picked up, 10 he exploded, and 11 wasn't bad. Weeks 12 and 13 Moss was on the field but not healthy which messed up the chemistry.

 

I don't know.. a lot of grey but I think this QB has something to prove now. We'll see.

[kraftykraft]

Wait a sec. Turf, you hijacked the topic, nice.

 

Back to CPep with and without Moss.. Wouldn't Randy's first two weeks out be a difficult adjustment for anyone? Figuring so, that could be a good reason for weeks 7 and 8 showing down numbers for CPep. Week 9 he picked up, 10 he exploded, and 11 wasn't bad. Weeks 12 and 13 Moss was on the field but not healthy which messed up the chemistry.

 

I don't know.. a lot of grey but I think this QB has something to prove now. We'll see.

 

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I personally am of the opinion that Culpepper will do well this year. Moss being gone will hurt some, but having nearly a year to work with Burleson and the other receivers will cushion the blow.

 

I am more concerned about the Vikes new and improved defense. If it works out, there will likely be less reason for CPep to put it up as in years past.

[redcoltfan]

#18 is in a class by himself. He is clearly the #1 FF QB.

 

If you don't think C-pepp's stock is down with Moss' departure...well...

That is nuts. Plus everything out of Viking camp has

TICE running the ball more this year.

This adds up to Manning in a class by himself.

I watched the Colts this a.m.

Manning marched his team right down the field and

scored without much resistance.

 

Manning is a better value than C-pepp.

[Chavez]

Manning won't throw 49 tds again. Maybe not even 40.

 

He'll still be in the argument for the #1 QB, but everyone who expects him to top his td totals from last year will be sorely disappointed.

[Randall]

Manning won't throw 49 tds again. Maybe not even 40.

 

He'll still be in the argument for the #1 QB, but everyone who expects him to top his td totals from last year will be sorely disappointed.

 

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Now Stokely is hurt. A shoulder separation often lingers. Last year was the first I remember of him playing all year. A 3rd receiver with his numbers is rare and probably won't happen again this year.

[Chavez]

Just taking a quick look at his stats, prior to last year, he averaged 28 tds per year and topped 30 once; even with last year, his average is 31.

 

Generally, if you look back at people who manage such eye-popping performances, they trend back down towards the mean their next year - nothing ridiculous, just that there's ALWAYS a drop off. And these are Hall of Fame players like Riggo, Emmitt, Faulk, Marino, or Rice. Check out their stats the next year after setting a td record. As a matter of fact, most have a SIGNIFICANT td drop off, though the yards tend to stay consistent.

[Robash]

I watched the Colts this a.m.

Manning marched his team right down the field and

scored without much resistance.

 

Manning is a better value than C-pepp.

 

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me too and didnt he march down the second time and throw a pick?

 

i think they are gonna be pretty close come the end of the season.

[Rovers]

You have chosen to ignore Turf Smurf. View this post · Squeeze me a little harder Turf Smurf

 

Glad to see my decision was well founded.

 

CPep wasn't all that close to Manning in leagues that award 6 points per TD pass, and Manning did next to notheing in weeks 16 and 17, when Culpepper caught up. I think manning will have to play through week 16 this year, and with the loss of Moss, as much as I like Burleson, he won't come close. Stokely will be back, not worried about that. Manning's O is intact, and I expect him to throw at least 40 TD's this year. with an improved D, CPep throws for 30, as this team finds some balance, something the Colts don't have, with no D to speak of.

[MikesVikes]

Look at this report that I found at FFToday. Culpepper is on this list three different years. Manning, just once. He had to toss 50 tds to keep pace with Daunte.

 

Btw, 1999 Steve Young bad! Steve Beuerlein good! That's the year that my backup QB won me the superbowl in my first year in my league.

 

 

QBs: Top 20 All-Time Fantasy Seasons Last First  Year Team Pct Pass Yds Pass TDs INTs Rush Yds Rush Atts Rush TDs FF Pts Marino Dan 1984 Dolp 64.18% 5084 48 17 -7 28 0 445.5 Culpepper Daunte 2004 Vik 69.16% 4717 39 11 406 89 2 444.5 Young Steve 1998 49er 62.28% 4170 36 12 454 70 6 433.9 Manning Peyton 2004 Colts 67.61% 4557 49 10 38 25 0 427.7 Culpepper Daunte 2000 Vik 62.66% 3937 33 16 470 90 7 417.9 Cunningham Randall 1990 Eag 58.28% 3466 30 13 942 118 5 417.5 Marino Dan 1986 Dolp 60.67% 4746 44 23 -3 12 0 413 Young Steve 1994 49er 70.28% 3969 35 10 293 58 7 409.8 Favre Brett 1995 Pack 62.98% 4413 38 13 181 39 3 408.8 Garcia Jeff 2000 49er 63.28% 4278 31 10 414 72 4 403.3 Moon Warren 1990 Oiler 61.99% 4689 33 13 215 55 2 400 Warner Kurt 1999 Rams 65.13% 4353 41 13 92 23 1 396.9 Warner Kurt 2001 Rams 68.68% 4830 36 22 60 28 0 391.5 Beuerlein Steve 1999 Pant 60.07% 4436 36 15 124 27 2 390.2 Majkowski Don 1989 Pack 58.93% 4318 27 20 358 75 5 389.7 Culpepper Daunte 2002 Vik 60.62% 3859 18 23 603 105 10 385.3 Cunningham Randall 1988 Eag 53.75% 3808 24 16 624 93 6 384.8 Mitchell Scott 1995 Lions 59.35% 4338 32 12 104 36 4 379.3 Lomax Neil 1984 Card 61.61% 4614 28 16 184 35 3 379.1 Fouts Dan 1981 Char 59.11% 4802 33 17 56 22 0 377.7