Riffraff Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 I think he's a bit overrated, and in ten years from now, the other USC runningback will have the better career. 1469573[/snapback] LenDale White better than Reggie Bush? I don't know if I'd go that far.... 1469597[/snapback] He could be talking about Marcus Allen. If I read all the reviews correctly this off-season, Bush is already past Marcus in yards and TDs. He just needs to retire to be a first year ballot winner for the Hall of Fame. Class of 2010. He has nothing left to prove to the football world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Very true. Especially the return numbers. 1469842[/snapback] So you think that Bush will actually return punts and kicks? Thats a lot of money to have playing on special teams... I'm not saying he's going to be a bust, I'm just not ready to call him great. I do like LenDale White more at this level. I bet if I searched this forum right after the rose bowl, half you guys would be saying White is a top five guy. He pulled a muscle... So did Bush. I jumped on the White bandwagon when everyone was talking about Bush. I'll be the last non USC/Titans fan to jump off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major-tom Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Basically, he's Peter Warrick. 1470055[/snapback] Nice try, although I guess I did nibble a little bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cordo Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 So you think that Bush will actually return punts and kicks? ... Payton said he would be used on punt returns very sparingly (his words), but no kickoff returns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Gigantes Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 with 29% approval rating, i'd say bush is already a bust! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalboyd Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Now that i have picked my rookie White may end up beng the best pro out of all 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Payton said he would be used on punt returns very sparingly (his words), but no kickoff returns. 1470952[/snapback] That makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 What will happen to Michael "Everyone's favorite beer truck delivery guy" Lewis then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 I jumped on the White bandwagon when everyone was talking about Bush. I'll be the last non USC/Titans fan to jump off. For the record, I put my $$$ where my mouth was in regards to Lendale. I drafted White over DeAngelo and Addai in a dynasty draft. Had White pre-selected over Maroney as well. Bush was the only guy I had higher. So, while I'm a big believer in White's talent, I do think Bush has that "it" factor. It's not just that he wows people, it's that Bush worked out with LaDainian Tomlinson and realized how out of shape he was compared to the pro game. He vowed to not look so bad in comparison (to LT2) again. He has the drive to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 So you think that Bush will actually return punts and kicks? Thats a lot of money to have playing on special teams...I'm not saying he's going to be a bust, I'm just not ready to call him great. I do like LenDale White more at this level. I bet if I searched this forum right after the rose bowl, half you guys would be saying White is a top five guy. He pulled a muscle... So did Bush. I jumped on the White bandwagon when everyone was talking about Bush. I'll be the last non USC/Titans fan to jump off. 1470863[/snapback] That's an issue, but he is good at avoiding contact. I'm not calling him or anyone a stud yet either, but the thread said he is too small. He isn't as small as many think. I did pick him in the rookie draft though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROYALWITCHEESE Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 Bush weighs around 201 Dunn - 180 Droughns - 207 Rhodes - 208 Fason - 207 Barber - 200 (dripping wet) Curtis Martin - 205 Westbrook - 200 Maurice Morris - 202 Clinton Portis - 205 It's not like Bush is exactly tiny. 1469611[/snapback] Not sure where you got those numbers... 2005 playing weights Portis 220 Droughns 215 Martin 210 Barber 200 (5-10, 200 is much more solid than 6-0, 200) Westbrook 203 (5-8) The other have never been full-time starters so I didn't look them up. Tiki is really the only one you can compare him to, but Bush is much more slinder in build. And Tiki had fumble problems most of his career, and only the last two years was a full-time starter..... That being said I think if Bush has the success Tiki has had, he will have been a success. But I don't see him handling 25 times a game as Tiki has recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 2005 playing weights Portis 220 Droughns 215 Martin 210 Barber 200 (5-10, 200 is much more solid than 6-0, 200) Westbrook 203 (5-8) 1478760[/snapback] I didn't check the others, but I know you've got Portis 8 lbs too heavy. He came into the league at a playing weight of 205 lbs, but now plays at 212 lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
policyvote Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 Nice try, although I guess I did nibble a little bit. 1470929[/snapback] Whaddya mean? Warrick tore everyone up in college, he was drafted 1.4, there were questions bout his size and play-in play-out usability, but it was assumed that his open-field running, after-the-catch wizardry, and return skills would make him as dynamic and productive in the NFL as he was in college. Yeah, not so much. I see Bush as a 10-15 carry situational guy, who can hit the home run but will not be a stud or workhorse. At this point, only time will tell. Peace policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 I think everyone is jumping the gun with the Gale Sayers comparisons and the Texans making the biggest draft mistake ever... Lets face it, he is smaller than what you'd like, and he's never played in a sixteen game season. He's never played on a fair playing level, as USC against anyone else was a joke, other than the UT game. He is a bit small, and I don't know how he'll react to extremley fast lb's trying to take his head off to welcome him to the nfl. I think he's a bit overrated, and in ten years from now, the other USC runningback will have the better career. 1469573[/snapback] It's not that he's too small. It's that he has the body of a WR and runs like a WR--BOLT UPRIGHT. He's a 'tweener with incredible open-field skills. The problem is that you have to get him in the open field. He doesn't have the ability to carry the load 25 times, move the chains fourth down or punch it in from the two. He's a flashy, versatile guy, but the hardest thing to do in the NFL is give a guy who needs space to operate space. Basically, he's Peter Warrick. Warrick tore everyone up in college, he was drafted 1.4, there were questions bout his size and play-in play-out usability, but it was assumed that his open-field running, after-the-catch wizardry, and return skills would make him as dynamic and productive in the NFL as he was in college. Yeah, not so much. I see Bush as a 10-15 carry situational guy, who can hit the home run but will not be a stud or workhorse. At this point, only time will tell. Peace policy 1470055[/snapback] I think Bush will make a ton of spectacular plays in the NFL...and he'll be stuffed at the LOS plenty, as well. At best, he's a great matchup weapon and an excellent situational runner, but even Reggie admits that the best way to "use" him is how he was used at USC -- with another workhorse-type RB sharing with him. He'll still make any offense better because of his versatility, but if you're counting on him to be a 25-carry stud -- ever -- you're going to be disappointed. And even considering the solid careers from guys like Dunn and Barber, I don't know if I'd say either of them, in retrospect, were deserving of the #1 or #2 overall pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grosse Pointe Gridder Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 Another small guy (5' 8", 200 lbs.) that had a great college career but never really panned out in the NFL: Barry Sanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The D Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 Hybrid. Never will set records but he could be a great fantasy players with 1000 yards rushing and 800 receiving a year. I see TD problems however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 Another small guy (5' 8", 200 lbs.) that had a great college career but never really panned out in the NFL: Barry Sanders. 1479885[/snapback] So Reggie is the next Barry Sanders? I wouldn't hang that title on ANY player until it happens. Yeah, somebody might prove me wrong eventually, but I'll be right 99% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grosse Pointe Gridder Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 So Reggie is the next Barry Sanders? I wouldn't hang that title on ANY player until it happens. Yeah, somebody might prove me wrong eventually, but I'll be right 99% of the time. 1479899[/snapback] Hey Sticky Cheez: You, like many people that didn't pass the reading comprehension tests in grade school, have made a hasty generalization. My statement only mentioned an NFL player, that while being quite small, who had a stellar career. Apparently you flunked mathetmatics as well. For if you could find one scenario which would make a premise or hypothesis false, the premise was no good. Case-in-point, my friend--I found a scenario where a player, smaller than Bush, went on to a great NFL career as a running back. This refutes the blanket theory that you subscirbe to that a person of Bush's height/weight can not make it as an NFL running back. Did I ever once mention that Bush IS or WILL BE Barry Sanders? NOT ON YOUR LIFE, Mr. Reading Comprehension flunkee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 Hey Sticky Cheez: You, like many people that didn't pass the reading comprehension tests in grade school, have made a hasty generalization. My statement only mentioned an NFL player, that while being quite small, who had a stellar career. 1479907[/snapback] You have too much bait on your hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalboyd Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 I believe he will be a great NFL player but a bad fantasy player. IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MERLINS Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 A player can only be a bust if you expect too much out of him. I, quite frankly, don't expect as much out of a pro Bush as the college Bush. Hence, no bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
policyvote Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Another small guy (5' 8", 200 lbs.) that had a great college career but never really panned out in the NFL: Barry Sanders. 1479885[/snapback] You guys REALLY can't see the difference between 5'-8", 200 lbs, and 6'-0", 200 lbs.??? We're talking about the difference between a squat, powerful, low-to-ground rock-solid back and a tall, skinny beanpole. It's not about "is he taller than X and heavier than Y", it's about how he's built--and he's built like a WR, and he runs like a WR. That is not a recipe for success in the NFL as a 20-carry back. Peace policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grosse Pointe Gridder Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 You guys REALLY can't see the difference between 5'-8", 200 lbs, and 6'-0", 200 lbs.??? We're talking about the difference between a squat, powerful, low-to-ground rock-solid back and a tall, skinny beanpole. It's not about "is he taller than X and heavier than Y", it's about how he's built--and he's built like a WR, and he runs like a WR. That is not a recipe for success in the NFL as a 20-carry back. Peace policy 1480495[/snapback] My argument, Policy, wasn't against the difference between 6 feet and 5'8", so don't even go down that road. Did you not read or comprehend the note about reading comprehension? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grosse Pointe Gridder Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 You have too much bait on your hook. 1480148[/snapback] An you, Randall, have too much time on your hands -- 11,000 posts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 An you, Randall, have too much time on your hands -- 11,000 posts! 1481420[/snapback] If you keep up the mindless drivel you've posted in this thread alone, you'll be at 11,000 soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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