There was a serious reason that I posted that the Pope might get assassinated

[wiegie]

here it is:

http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2006-09/14/04.shtml

Pope Benedict XVI's criticism of Islam and the Islamic concept of Jihad as unreasonable and against God's nature has sparked furor in the Muslim world on Thursday, September 14, amid calls for the pontiff to retract his remarks.

 

"These remarks are unacceptable and demonstrate ignorance of the Muslim faith," Mohamed Kanaan, the chief judge of the Supreme Shari`ah Courts in Lebanon, told the Doha-based Al-Jazeera channel.

 

"The remarks only play into the hands of those seeking to tarnish the image of Islam."

 

In what some Vatican watchers see as a watershed speech to academics on Tuesday, September 12, Benedict had portrayed Islam as a religion which endorses violence, where faith is "spread by the sword".

 

Using the words, "Jihad" and "Holy War" in lecture at the University of Regensburg, he quoted criticism of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing be upon him) by a 14th Century Byzantine Christian emperor.

 

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached," Benedict quoted Manuel II.

 

In Morocco, the daily Aujourd'hui said the pope's remarks have upset a million Muslims around the globe.

 

"The global outcry over the calamitous cartoons (of Prophet Muhammad) has only just died down and now the pontiff, in all his holiness, is launching an attack against Islam," it said.

 

Last September, a series of lampooning cartoons of Prophet Muhammad printed by a Danish daily and republished by European newspapers sparked a global outcry.

 

The daily urged the pope, as political leader of the Roman Catholic Church, to "quickly prove that his ambition is not to spark a war of religions."

 

Hatred

 

Mazyek said the Roman Catholic Church, which had violent chapters, should not point a finger at extremist activities in other religions.

 

Chief judge Kanaan asked Pope Benedict to retract his insulting remarks.

 

"He must apologize," he told the Doha-based broadcaster.

 

The remarks have also drawn fire from Turkey's highest religious authority, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP).

 

"The remarks reflect the hatred in his heart. It is a statement full of enmity and grudge," Ali Bardakoglu, the head of Turkey's religious affairs directorate, told the NTV news channel.

 

"It is a prejudiced and biased approach," he added.

 

Bardakoglu said the pope was not welcome in Turkey unless retracting his remarks.

 

"I do not think any good will come from the visit to the Muslim world of a person who has such ideas about Islam's prophet. He should first of all replace the grudge in his heart with moral values and respect for the other."

 

Pope Benedict is expected in Turkey on November 28-30 on an invitation from the Turkish government and the Ecumenical Orthodox Patriarchate in Istanbul.

 

In 2004, the pontiff caused a stir by opposing Turkey's accession into the European Union.

 

He said Turkey should seek its future in an association of Islamic nations, not with the EU, which has Christian roots.

 

Bloody History

 

Ejaz Ahmed, a member of an Italian governmental consultative committee on Islam, also criticized the Vatican pope, reported Italy's ANSA news agency.

 

"In his speech the pope overlooks the fact that Islam was the cradle of science and that Muslims were the first to translate Greek philosophers before they became part of European history," he said.

 

"The Muslim world is currently undergoing a deep crisis and any attack from the West can aggravate this crisis," he said.

 

Aiman Mazyek, the president of Germany's Central Council of Muslims, said the history of the Roman Catholic Church had violent chapters.

 

"After the bloodstained conversions in South America, the crusades in the Muslim world, the coercion of the Church by Hitler's regime, and even the coining of the phrase 'holy war' by Pope Urban II, I do not think the Church should point a finger at extremist activities in other religions," he told the Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper.

 

Haken al-Mutairi, Secretary General of Kuwait's Umma party asked Pope Benedict to immediately apologize "to the Muslim world for his calumnies against the Prophet Muhammed and Islam".

 

Mutairi hit out at the pope's "unaccustomed and unprecedented" remarks, and linked the Catholic Church leader's comments to "new Western wars currently under way in the Muslim world in places such as Afghanistan, Iraq and Lebanon".

 

The pope's statements amounted to "the pursuit of crusades", he told AFP.

 

"I call on all Arab and Islamic states to recall their ambassadors from the Vatican and expel those from the Vatican until the pope says he is sorry for the wrong done to the Prophet and to Islam, which preaches peace, tolerance, justice and equality."

 

Mutairi urged Christian and Muslim religious leaders to "spread the values of tolerance and clemency preached by the prophets Jesus and Muhammed".

Edited September 15, 2006 by wiegie

[Yukon Cornelius]

The daily urged the pope, as political leader of the Roman Catholic Church, to "quickly prove that his ambition is not to spark a war of religions."

of course that is what he is doing

[I Like Soup]

I've often wondered why al Qaeda or any of the lunatic extremist Muslim guys haven't tried to take the Pope out.

[Controller]

I've often wondered why al Qaeda or any of the lunatic extremist Muslim guys haven't tried to take the Pope out.

 

 

Probably because they would just appoint another one.

[I Like Soup]

Probably because they would just appoint another one.

 

 

Well, no crap!

 

But...imagine the reverberations in the Christian world if that did happen. Holy war, here we come.

[spain]

With all of the evil perpetrated on the world by the Catholic Church over the years, the Pope is way out of line casting aspersions on Islam. Sure, Islam is a nutty fruitcake religion too, but they havent done nearly the harm in the world that the catholics have done throughout history, although they are gaining ground fairly rapidly...

[aqualung]

We need another Crusades.

[wiegie]

they are now burning effigies of the Pope

[dmarc117]

I've often wondered why al Qaeda or any of the lunatic extremist Muslim guys haven't tried to take the Pope out.

 

 

cause the middle eastern skies would rain down nukes!

[untateve]

There was a serious reason that I posted that the Pope might get assassinated, (I'm somewhat surprised that I wasn't given the benefit of the

 

Okay, the suspense is killing me. What is the last word of your post topic?

[wiegie]

Okay, the suspense is killing me. What is the last word of your post topic?

The thread was titled something like: "What is the over/under on how long it will be before the Pope gets assassinated?"

 

I then posted in the message that I would give even odds that an assassination attempt was made on his life before Easter.

 

I gave no explanation for why I made such a post.

 

About five minutes later Rajn came in and said that the post sounded like a death-pool and would soon be deleted.

 

I then went in to provide a link to explain what I was talking about, but by the time I hit "enter" the whole thread was gone.

 

It was all over in about 15 minutes start to finish.

[untateve]

The thread was titled something like: "What is the over/under on how long it will be before the Pope gets assassinated?"

 

I then posted in the message that I would give even odds that an assassination attempt was made on his life before Easter.

 

I gave no explanation for why I made such a post.

 

About five minutes later Rajn came in and said that the post sounded like a death-pool and would soon be deleted.

 

I then went in to provide a link to explain what I was talking about, but by the time I hit "enter" the whole thread was gone.

 

It was all over in about 15 minutes start to finish.

 

 

Oh. I was going to guess the last word was "doubt." Why do you want to start a death pool on anyone? That will always get deleted here.

[alexgaddis]

Maybe you could call it a reincarnation pool?

[Ursa Majoris]

Here we are in 2006 and we're gearing up for a worldwide clash between two groups of people that believe in two slightly different invisible men in the sky.

 

No better than a troop of monkeys.

[Azazello1313]

so the pope says "jihad is against god's nature". i guess it's somewhat telling that all these "moderate" muslims who profess to only be seeking "tolerance" for their faith, not only can't bring themselves to AGREE on some level with the underlying sentiment, or even to disagree calmly and rationally defend islam. but instead they have to cry about persecution, compare the pope to hitler, and issue veiled threats about visiting the muslim world. i honestly don't think i've EVER heard ANY muslim respond to anything that could be perceived as an attack on islam with anything other than outrage. the most foreign thing in the world to islam seems to be any sort of reasoned apologetic, which tells me, i dunno, maybe the pope and that 14th century byzantine dude were on to something.

[untateve]

so the pope says "jihad is against god's nature". i guess it's somewhat telling that all these "moderate" muslims who profess to only be seeking "tolerance" for their faith, not only can't bring themselves to AGREE on some level with the underlying sentiment, or even to disagree calmly and rationally defend islam. but instead they have to cry about persecution, compare the pope to hitler, and issue veiled threats about visiting the muslim world. i honestly don't think i've EVER heard ANY muslim respond to anything that could be perceived as an attack on islam with anything other than outrage. the most foreign thing in the world to islam seems to be any sort of reasoned apologetic, which tells me, i dunno, maybe the pope and that 14th century byzantine dude were on to something.

 

 

 

I declare a jihad on Az.

[billay]

so the pope says "jihad is against god's nature". i guess it's somewhat telling that all these "moderate" muslims who profess to only be seeking "tolerance" for their faith, not only can't bring themselves to AGREE on some level with the underlying sentiment, or even to disagree calmly and rationally defend islam.

 

Az talking about anybody not being able to accept constructive criticism

 

 

[Savage Beatings]

I haven't seen the context at all, but did they miss the fact that the Pope was quoting someone else?

[Azazello1313]

Az talking about anybody not being able to accept constructive criticism

 

 

i respond to idiots who may be under the mistaken impression that i'm wrong VERY calmly and rationally.

[dmarc117]

Here we are in 2006 and we're gearing up for a worldwide clash between two groups of people that believe in two slightly different invisible men in the sky.

 

No better than a troop of monkeys.

 

 

 

our invisible guy is cooler!

[wiegie]

Oh. I was going to guess the last word was "doubt." Why do you want to start a death pool on anyone? That will always get deleted here.

 

oh, I misinterpreted what you wanted. The word was indeed "doubt".

 

And (as of course you know) I did not want to start a death pool on anyone.

[Controller]

our invisible guy is cooler!

 

 

Jesus was quite visible.

[wiegie]

I haven't seen the context at all, but did they miss the fact that the Pope was quoting someone else?

 

here is the entire lecture:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15_09_06_pope.pdf

[Savage Beatings]

Benedict quoted from a book recounting a conversation between 14th century Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II and a Persian scholar on the truths of Christianity and Islam.

 

"The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war," the pope said. "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'"

 

Benedict did not explicitly agree with the statement nor repudiate it.

 

The Vatican's envoy "regretted the hurt caused to Muslims and said that the media had totally misconstrued certain historical quotes that the Pope used in his lecture," the statement said.

[thecerwin]

Which Cardinals are in the Pope's starting lineup this week?