Pope Flick Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 (edited) I think the "too bad A Rod wasn't on the plane that crashed today" is a much better argument Az. You should keep that line of pap up. Edited October 12, 2006 by Pope Flick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Some questions for you because you seem to know very little about these issues. Hopefully, these will help you learn about the case a little: Why isnt he considered an enemy combatant now? because of a fairly bizarre court ruling. which, congress (who seems to get it, by the way) promptly remedied by clarifying the law in order to deal with people like padilla. to prosecute someone like padilla to the fullest extent would require bringing out all kinds of highly classified material, giving padilla and his lawyers chances to speak to witnesses, etc. besides, charging him with a crime is not in the government's interest right now. he is far more useful as a potential intelligence asset. once again we're back to the difference between treating terrorism as a law and order problem versus a national security problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumont Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. - Edward R. Murrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted October 11, 2006 Author Share Posted October 11, 2006 (edited) because of a fairly bizarre court ruling. which, congress (who seems to get it, by the way) promptly remedied by clarifying the law in order to deal with people like padilla. You mean US citizens, right? And the government did charge him with crimes, just not the ones you keep harping on. And it should be noted that the government only charged him because the Supreme Court was about to take up his case and, I think, rule that they had seriously violated his constitutional rights. That would have been devastating to Bush and his unitary executive concept, so they promptly charged him and made him a criminal defendant. Let me get this straight: you think the Constitution does not apply to some US citizens, right? And for you to say this is about treating terrorism as a law and order issue versus a national security issue is just one more silly sidestep of the constitutional issue by you. Does national security implications mean US citizens arent US citizens? Edited October 11, 2006 by skins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 You mean US citizens, right? no, again, when i say "people like padilla" i mean terrorists who train in afghanistan and plot to commit mass murder against civilians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumont Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 no, again, when i say "people like padilla" i mean terrorists who train in afghanistan and plot to commit mass murder against civilians. And you determined this without a trial and a presentation of evidence? How omniscient of you ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewer Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 And you determined this without a trial and a presentation of evidence? How omniscient of you ... I've noticed that about a few people here........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 And you determined this without a trial and a presentation of evidence? How omniscient of you ... You must have missed that fine print in the Constitution that says that the guarantee of rights does not apply to US citizens whom Az thinks are guilty at first blush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted October 12, 2006 Author Share Posted October 12, 2006 no, again, when i say "people like padilla" i mean terrorists who train in afghanistan and plot to commit mass murder against civilians. You are a true and proud follower and employee of first Asscroft and now Alberto "Torture King" Gonzalez. We should expect no better from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 You are a true and proud follower and employee of first Asscroft and now Alberto "Torture King" Gonzalez. We should expect no better from you. I think that Georgetown lunch date is looking less and less likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 lol, you commies are too much. America hates your kind for the kinds of crap you spew in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrograde assault Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Liberals are soft on terrorists. That is why you will lose the 08 election. You simply cant be trusted with our national security. You simply cant. This mofo should have been shot in the head and you are screaming about his constitutional rights? Give me a break.. Amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Heil Spain! Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted October 12, 2006 Author Share Posted October 12, 2006 Amen You amened schtick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 (edited) You amened schtick. Spain put a desperpate piece of stanky bait for a detractor and reeled in a supporter not named Driveby, Zeke, or Dmarktard. Pretty good stuff. Edited October 12, 2006 by bushwacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshi17 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 You are a true and proud follower and employee of first Asscroft and now Alberto "Torture King" Gonzalez. We should expect no better from you. I do not believe you are privy to half of the information that is involved in this case. Someday perhaps all will be revealed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Lets see: Puerto Rican...check New York City...check Hates America...check Yep, he is a typical Democrat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke 1982 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 (edited) Liberals are soft on terrorists. That is why you will lose the 08 election. You simply cant be trusted with our national security. You simply cant. This mofo should have been shot in the head and you are screaming about his constitutional rights? Give me a break.. Amen x 2. With all of the shortcomings of this administration, the libs will still not win in 08. W has tried to make it easy for them. They are just not capable of presenting a case on how they will protect this country. What's even worse, they may gain control of Congress next month and have two years to prove my point. They will spend two years beating up Bush, trying to reapeal the most successful tax cut in history, and generally spend their time on matters that are unimportant. You know... like making sure gays are allowed to marry. Gotta keep the Lib base happy. Edited October 12, 2006 by Zeke 1982 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumont Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 I do not believe you are privy to half of the information that is involved in this case. Someday perhaps all will be revealed. That is exactly what trials are for. However, the accused is not supposed to have to wait in prison forever for "someday" ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke 1982 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 That is exactly what trials are for. However, the accused is not supposed to have to wait in prison forever for "someday" ... That "someday" is when a Liberal wins the white House and then pardons the terrorist. Maybe then you can be happy. He will have his rights. He will also have the right to blow up our children. but that is the most important thing here isn't it? The rights of this terrorist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumont Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 (edited) That "someday" is when a Liberal wins the white House and then pardons the terrorist. Maybe then you can be happy. He will have his rights. He will also have the right to blow up our children. but that is the most important thing here isn't it? The rights of this terrorist? You make no sense. We are only talking about having a relatively timely trial and a presentation of evdience as a precondition to locking someone up and throwing away the key ... You really oppose that? You would let government officials imprison US citizens without any requirement that evidence be produced and a trial occur? Zeke? Spain? H8? Please confirm this is what you want. Edited October 12, 2006 by Beaumont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 i wont lose sleep over this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke 1982 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 You make no sense. We are only talking about having a relatively timely trial and a presentation of evdience as a precondition to locking someone up and throwing away the key ... You really oppose that? You would let government officials imprison US citizens without any requirement that evidence be produced and a trial occur? Zeke? Spain? H8? Please confirm this is what you want. Ok... I will bite. I could care less about the rights of terrorists. When it come to safety, I do not care about rights. I mean that. It is my opinion if you are an enemy of the US, you do not get to use our rights. You lose all rights. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 You make no sense. We are only talking about having a relatively timely trial and a presentation of evdience as a precondition to locking someone up and throwing away the key ... You really oppose that? You would let government officials imprison US citizens without any requirement that evidence be produced and a trial occur? Zeke? Spain? H8? Please confirm this is what you want. I want enemy combatants summarily executed and their bodies incinerated so liberals like you wont have to worry that some assholio that planned to murder Americans on a grand scale was afforded his constitutional rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Did you guys read in the first link how he was 'tortured'? He didn't have a bunkmate, a nice soft pillow and cushy mattress or a TV with Xbox. And sometimes the loud noise of the guards doing their job would wake him up. Other times the only human contact he had was the guard bringing him 3 free meals a day. Boo f'n hoo. Cry me an f'n river. Justice takes time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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