whitem0nkey Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 So you again decide to conveniently ignore facts as they suit you and completely ignore the definition of work that I gave you. How enlightened. Look, you see it as a job; I see it as a game. So what’s big deal? Why do feel this need to get me to buy into your way of looking at it. I think you can make a good case for either side. But I believe its still just a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 yeah, i'm sure he's surrendering, since he was trying to argue that NFL players don't get paid. oh wait...you mean, that's NOT what he was saying at all? you mean that yet again BB is arguing against an idiotic strawman of his own creation? gee, i'm totally surprised. Funny that you would just ignore fundamental dictionary definition of words, justify your ignorance by simply throwing out the word "strawman", and then think it absolves you of your ignorance with your thinking you have scored some kind of brilliant point. Typical for you, but it's still funny every time you do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Look, you see it as a job; I see it as a game. So what’s big deal? Why do feel this need to get me to buy into your way of looking at it. I think you can make a good case for either side. But I believe its still just a game. Football is a game. As soon as the game of football becomes professional football, it stops being a game and starts being a business. We may use the term play for what the players do, but by simple definition (and common sense) what they do is work - they perform a service and receive monetary compensation for it. That's work, plain & simple. I'm not sure why that is such a difficult concept to grasp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 If you are paid in exchange for labor, you have a job. Is Johnson paid for his services? Yes. Therefore, he has a job. If Football is just a game, why do they need a Labor Union? Hopscotch is a game. The NFL is a business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Who has voted so far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I went to a play recently, a professional production where the actors and actresses were paid for their work. When the play was over, the audience applauded, and the actors and actresses had the audacity to come to center stage, hold hands, and bow to the audience! Needless to say, I was horrified. I too have a job, and when I complete a task at my job, you won't see me bowing to anyone, or holding hands with my co-workers, or any of that nonsense. Because you see, once you've established that what they were doing is a job, than of course it immediately becomes analogous to all other jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I went to a play recently, a professional production where the actors and actresses were paid for their work. When the play was over, the audience applauded, and the actors and actresses had the audacity to come to center stage, hold hands, and bow to the audience! Needless to say, I was horrified. I too have a job, and when I complete a task at my job, you won't see me bowing to anyone, or holding hands with my co-workers, or any of that nonsense. Because you see, once you've established that what they were doing is a job, than of course it immediately becomes analogous to all other jobs. Acting is a profession and as such is a job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I went to a play recently, a professional production where the actors and actresses were paid for their work. When the play was over, the audience applauded, and the actors and actresses had the audacity to come to center stage, hold hands, and bow to the audience! Needless to say, I was horrified. I too have a job, and when I complete a task at my job, you won't see me bowing to anyone, or holding hands with my co-workers, or any of that nonsense. Because you see, once you've established that what they were doing is a job, than of course it immediately becomes analogous to all other jobs. Did any of the actors or actresses go into wild gyrations in the middle of the play when they nailed a line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Did any of the actors or actresses go into wild gyrations in the middle of the play when they nailed a line? Man, that's funny Did they spike a stage hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 You people are idjits. The terms "game" and "professionals" are mutually exclusive. Football is the game that is played. Professionals are those that are paid to play it. Just like the office of the President is suppose to be a job, but is currently considered a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Did any of the actors or actresses go into wild gyrations in the middle of the play when they nailed a line? They did not!!! Nor did they e-mail their finished product to their boss, nor punch out at a timeclock when the show was over, nor get the customers to sign a work order when they were done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Professionals are those that are paid to play it. So, I guess football players have jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 You people are idjits. That goes without saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 You people are idjits. Who? The people over yonder? Okay...okay...I'll stop now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Who? The people over yonder? Nah, them folkses over thar, down by the crik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Def. Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 (edited) Stll lost at how the whole definition of "professional" & "football" relates to the topic of this thread. Ah well... Edited November 4, 2006 by Def. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uggabugga Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Football is a game. As soon as the game of football becomes professional football, it stops being a game and starts being a business. We may use the term play for what the players do, but by simple definition (and common sense) what they do is work - they perform a service and receive monetary compensation for it. That's work, plain & simple. I'm not sure why that is such a difficult concept to grasp. It's a job for the players, but it's entertainment for us. Sometimes that entertainment extends beyond the plays made in the game. Sometimes players just act plain stupid. But sometimes their antics are humorous and original and that's entertaining. However, entertainment like all art is in the eye of the beholder. I think guys like Ocho and Portis are entertaining in a non-football way because of their originality. I laughed my rearend off when TO pulled out the Sharpie and also when he did the pom-pon dance. The Joe Horn cell phone incident was hilarious because of it was original and unexpected. It was harmless fun and I got a kick out of it. That doesn't mean I expect anyone else to like it, but I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 This thread should be moved to the Tailgate where it can be shot and put out of its misery. Good god, people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 This thread should be moved to the Tailgate where it can be shot and put out of its misery. Good god, people! You think it should be shot by a professional or someone who does it for play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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