spain Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 > "Recently large demonstrations have taken place across >the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. > > Certain people are angry that the US might protect its >own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests. > > Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when >you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm >hard-working and honest except for when I broke into your house). > > According to the protesters, not only must you let me >stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking-in part). If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there. > > It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer >house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working and honest, person, except for . well, you know. > > And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, >contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, I want you to learn my >language so you can communicate with me. > > Why can't people see how ridiculous this is?! Only in >America .. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I agree totally. I find it especially ludicrous that not a single person advocating all these benefits for the illegal population even wants to acknowledge the fact that them being here illegally means they are criminals and subject to arrest, jail time and deportation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 (edited) Cheaper than a housekeeper. You can sleep in the attic. If you can cook some good ethnic food, that's a plus. Â PS Don't forget to pick up the dog chit out back. Edited February 13, 2007 by Dutch Oven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo20 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 You get a few .40 hollow points to the body.... Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 We all broke into the house at some point. There was a time when the house was empty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 We all broke into the house at some point. There was a time when the house was empty. Â That's the point. Most of us were invited in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 There's a bill being introduced in Connecticut that would allow illegal immigrants to pay "in-state" tuition rates at state colleges, subsidized with taxpayer dollars. Just another great incentive to do things the illegal way. Â This has been shot down once before, but I think it's only a matter of time before something like it goes into effect... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 That's fine...but who's gonna pick the fruit and vegetables? Who's gonna clean the hotel? Who's gonna cut the grass? Â I'm not paying $10 for a couple of bananas!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 This issue alone could be the end of the GOP as we know it IMO. Conservative voters are demanding something be done about Illegal Immigration. Elected Republican politicians (and most candidates) refuse to take any substantive action to fix the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 This issue alone could be the end of the GOP as we know it IMO. Conservative voters are demanding something be done about Illegal Immigration. Elected Republican politicians (and most candidates) refuse to take any substantive action to fix the problem. Â Â Â That's because the Republicans see these immigrants as possible voters. They also don't want to upset our economic system. Bluntly, these illegal immigrants wouldn't be coming here for jobs if Americans were not giving them jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Is it better to bring the cheap labor over here or to ship out the jobs over there? Darned if you do darned if you don't. Probably both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 That's because the Republicans see these immigrants as possible voters. They also don't want to upset our economic system. Bluntly, these illegal immigrants wouldn't be coming here for jobs if Americans were not giving them jobs. Â Â Â There is a legal way for immigrants to come here. If the current system isn't working, then revise the laws. Turning a blind eye to massive ILLEGAL immigration goes directly against the heart of the oaths that they took to uphold the law of the land. Which other aspects of our national defense should we ignore in order to get more votes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Is it better to bring the cheap labor over here or to ship out the jobs over there? Darned if you do darned if you don't. Probably both. Â Â But we bring in the cheap unskilled labor (mowing, picking crops, etc.) and ship out skilled cheap labor (tech services, etc. to India). Â IMO two different things. Hard to send the crops there to be pickes, too expensive to bring skilled labor here to work when it is cheaper to send it overseas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 There is a legal way for immigrants to come here. If the current system isn't working, then revise the laws. Turning a blind eye to massive ILLEGAL immigration goes directly against the heart of the oaths that they took to uphold the law of the land. Which other aspects of our national defense should we ignore in order to get more votes? Â Â The way I see it, the illegal aliens are breaking the law. So are the Americans who are providing them jobs. If I lived in horrific poverty and squalor, I'd make the trek to America to earn more money--legal or not. However, I wouldn't come to America if I couldn't get a job. Want to slow the illegal aliens coming to this country to a trickle? Make it a mandatory 10-year prison term for any employer caught knowingly employing illegal aliens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 The way I see it, the illegal aliens are breaking the law. So are the Americans who are providing them jobs. If I lived in horrific poverty and squalor, I'd make the trek to America to earn more money--legal or not. However, I wouldn't come to America if I couldn't get a job. Want to slow the illegal aliens coming to this country to a trickle? Make it a mandatory 10-year prison term for any employer caught knowingly employing illegal aliens. Â Â Let's assume this does happen, and it does have the desired affect of slowing/stopping illegal immigration. Â Who then will fill the jobs generally assumed to be filled by illegal immigrants, primarily agricultural jobs, etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 That's the point. Most of us were invited in. Â Â Except the first ones that took the house and slaughtered or imprisoned the original inhabitants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Let's assume this does happen, and it does have the desired affect of slowing/stopping illegal immigration. Â Who then will fill the jobs generally assumed to be filled by illegal immigrants, primarily agricultural jobs, etc? Â Â Â They would have to hire Americans and pay them at least minimum wage. Have to pay the taxes on those wages, too. That's gonna drive up the cost of bananas. $10 for a couple of bananas is steep. That's gonna be a problem for the economy. I'm thinking when that happens, whichever party is in the White House is gonna get blamed for flking up the economy. That's not good politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Except the first ones that took the house and slaughtered or imprisoned the original inhabitants. Â No, no, no! I opt for the winners version of the history. We asked them to move because we needed liebensraum and the quite cheerfully obliged. And then they opened casinos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 They would have to hire Americans and pay them at least minimum wage. Have to pay the taxes on those wages, too. That's gonna drive up the cost of bananas. $10 for a couple of bananas is steep. That's gonna be a problem for the economy. I'm thinking when that happens, whichever party is in the White House is gonna get blamed for flking up the economy. That's not good politics. Â Â This is what I was gonna drive at. The costs of labor would be forced to go up, meaning the cost of goods goes up, meaning we would need to make more to accomodate thehigher prices. Just a downward spiral. Â So, is there an acceptable answer for enforcing the immigration laws without messing up the economy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hugh B Tool Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 We still get all the cheap bannanas we can eat as we sit from Chile. Fruits and veggies are very cheap to come by from that area. Now the crux of the problem is the wide division between the haves and the so called have nots in this country of ours. Outsourcing has completely taken middle income America and thrown it out. If we exported our goods for a decent price instead of giving most every thing we have including our money away for virtually pennies on the dollar would help too........ lots of variables, but if the cost of goods went up with higher priced and higher quality labor the consumer would still buy them IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 This issue alone could be the end of the GOP as we know it IMO. Conservative voters are demanding something be done about Illegal Immigration. Elected Republican politicians (and most candidates) refuse to take any substantive action to fix the problem. Â Â Republicans serve both God and Mammon. They bow to their two masters: the religious right, and their corporate paymasters. Well, that and their strange repressed latent homosexuality and corruption. Â The religious right doesnt seem to care about the immigration issue too much and the corporate overlords want cheap labor. That means Republican politicians wont do crap about it, even enforce the laws. Republicans have run the entire federal government for six years and done nothing. And now its suddenly an issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted February 14, 2007 Author Share Posted February 14, 2007 (edited) Republicans serve both God and Mammon. They bow to their two masters: the religious right, and their corporate paymasters. Well, that and their strange repressed latent homosexuality and corruption. Â The religious right doesnt seem to care about the immigration issue too much and the corporate overlords want cheap labor. That means Republican politicians wont do crap about it, even enforce the laws. Republicans have run the entire federal government for six years and done nothing. And now its suddenly an issue? Â What exactly are the Democrats planning to do to stem the wetback tide? Edited February 14, 2007 by spain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 What exactly are the Democrats planning to do to stem the wetback tide? Â Â Nothing as far as I can tell. I am not a Democrat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted February 14, 2007 Author Share Posted February 14, 2007 I am not a Democrat. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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