Blind Bid vs Last to First Waivers

[Dont Rookie Me........]

Having a huge argument about what one is better? I am for last to first waivers to keep people involved to the end and if someone gets hit by the injury bug it can be devastating if you can not recoup your losses through waivers. You all may have other thoughts and ideas. Lets hear them!

[myhousekey]

I like worst to first. Blind bid becomes way too time consuming for me......you spend a ton of time trying to decide what free agents you want then have to spend even more time deciding on how much money to spend.

[irish]

Worst to first is a horrible way to do it as bad teams should not be given first crack at making their team better just because they're bad. Blind-bidding is the way to go as it is the fairest. Everyone has an equal shot at all FAs.

Edited August 8, 2007 by irish

[BeeR]

Blind bidding is too busy and IMO just plain stupid because it's this goofy guessing game. If you insist on bidding for FAs, keep it out in the open and make it true bidding. I much prefer worst/first or even first come/first serve. (we do both)

[Ralph Furley]

Blind bidding is the way to go. I switched over two leagues to blind bidding and it's great and everyone has loved it. I haven't had a single complaint. It's not any more time consuming in my opinion. Sure, it may take a minute longer because you have choices to make. Just like the auction draft, you have the opportunity to get any player you want if your willing to pay.

[Dont Rookie Me........]

If you insist on bidding for FAs, keep it out in the open and make it true bidding. (we do both)

Hmmm.... maybe not such a bad idea.

[irish]

Hmmm.... maybe not such a bad idea.

 

No it is a bad idea. Blind-bidding requires strategy. You wonder if anyone else is bidding on the same player, how bdly they may want/need them so how much are they willing to bid. Now making it open-bidding would be time consuming as almost every add/drop could become a bidding war. Use the best system out there Blind-bidding and don't look back.

[The Wolf]

Worst to first is a horrible way to do it as bad teams should not be given first crack at making their team better just because they're bad. Blind-bidding is the way to go as it is the fairest. Everyone has an equal shot at all FAs.

 

There really is no better answer to your question than this.

[kcmast]

We went to blind bidding last year and it is superior IMO. To a more than casual FF player, I don't see how it is too involved.

[TBone]

The leagues I'm in use worst to first. I would like to convince everyone to change to a blind bid system.

 

Can someone tell me if the CBSSportsline, or Fanball, software support a bid system?

[kcmast]

The leagues I'm in use worst to first. I would like to convince everyone to change to a blind bid system.

 

Can someone tell me if the CBSSportsline, or Fanball, software support a bid system?

Fanball does.

[Pip's Invitation]

RTSports does also.

[Roo]

Yes CBSSL supports blind bidding. We switched over to it last year and it's way better. And it's not complicated or time consuming either. It's far more fair and quite fun actually. In the case that there is a huge FA that suddenly becomes available, we feel everyone should have a shot at him.

 

We ran it twice per week, gave each coach $100 and it worked out great. It's a little extra competition.

[Bronco Billy]

Is there a reason why a team deserves to have the first shot at the best FAs simply because they suck more than everyone else? That's exactly what worst-to-first does.

 

Yeah, blind bid takes some management skills. Owners need to determine how much a FA is worth to them and how much flexibility they want with their FA purse, but it gives all teams an equal shot at every FA.

 

Open bidding would be the only other way that I'd prefer to see FA assigned in a league, but it certainly requires more work than blind bidding since owners have to pay constant attention to players going up for bids and keepingt involved in the ongoing bidding process. It can be greatly entertaining (or frustrating) as owners can bid up other owners - and risk getting stuck, of course - but open bidding does reward lazy owners in that an owner doesn't have to do any research themsleves, they can wait for other owners to put players on the block & then jump in one the players are declared.

[Big Country]

IMO, neither is better, or worse, or right or wrong.

 

It's more about the type of league you are in.

 

If it is a more casual league.. say on office league done for fun, then use the simpler less involved method of a worst to first waiver system. Less stress. less thinking, etc.

 

If it is a more competitive league, go to a blind bidding or an open bidding system, depending on your preference.

 

In one league we did a draft, then everyone had 100 "bid dollars" to use during the season for pickups. It worked great.

 

In my auction league, it is open bidding on a message board. If the player goes 24 hours without a new bid, you win him. A lot of strategy here. It is open, and you have to bid within your salary cap constraints (you can cut a player to make te necessary cap room and open the roster spot). Other owners may bump a bid on a guy in hoped of you paying more. And yo uca neither leave them paying more for a guy they didnt really want, etc., just like in the auction.

 

All methods have their merits. Anyone that simply states this method is better or far superior or that method is terrible and not fair is not looking at the big picture of FF in general. Each system may be the best fit for different types of leagues.

[Bronco Billy]

I much prefer worst/first or even first come/first serve. (we do both)

 

use the simpler less involved method of a worst to first waiver system. Less stress. less thinking, etc.

 

Right on the button, BC.

 

[Big Country]

Right on the button, BC.

 

 

Yup. I much prefer a bis ssytem to my leagues, but there are/have been a couple Iplay in that is more for maintaining social contact with friends where the owners are not as dedicated, etc., and so to keep it fun we stick with the ole worst to first method. Usually anyway a savvy owner is picking up on players to pick up a week or two before they become the hot commodity anyway.

[irish]

Anyone that simply states this method is better or far superior or that method is terrible and not fair is not looking at the big picture of FF in general. Each system may be the best fit for different types of leagues.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree here. I am in mostly very competitive leagues, however, I am in one laid back one. The BB system is used in all. It is the most fair way to decide how a FA is picked up. Worst to first, regardless of how competitive the league is , IS NOT the way to go. Just because someone doesn't take FF as seriously as someone else and therefore has a bad team doesn't mean they should get first pick of the FA litter. I can't understand the use of a worst to first system at all, it eliminates equality and fairness between owners. If the league isn't as serious and keeping up with BB dollars is too difficult, have the commish of the league (who everyone should trust) draw numbers weekly (1-10 or 1-12, etc.) and randomly assign WW positions. The lowest number gets first pick and so on...

 

Worst to first!!!

[rrobb]

Don’t like worst-to-first or blind bidding. For the last ten years, we have used a unique Drop/Add process.

 

A random schedule is generated before the season. (Done by using a 12-sided dice roll.)

 

Each team is given at least one Transaction Night where he/she performs the duties of "Transaction Agent". The Transaction Agent may make up to two Drop/Adds before any other teams call in.

 

After that, as per the posted schedule, each week during the regular season, any team may waive up to two players on its team and claim replacement players from the free agent pool during the Claiming Period. (Each claim costs $2.)

 

The Claiming Period is from 7PM to 9PM on Thursday Nights. (If there is a Thursday Night game, then Transaction Night is moved to Wednesday night.)

 

Week 1: Team A is TA and makes their moves prior to 7PM

Team B is next and must call in between 7 - 7:10

Team C must call between 7:10 - 7:20

Team D must call between 7:20 - 7:30 and so on…

 

Week 2: Team C is TA and makes their moves prior to 7PM

Team A is next and must call in between 7 - 7:10

Team D must call between 7:10 - 7:20

Team B must call between 7:20 - 7:30 and so on…

 

Week 3: Team B is TA and makes their moves prior to 7PM

Team D is next and must call in between 7 - 7:10

Team A must call between 7:10 - 7:20

Team C must call between 7:20 - 7:30 and so on…

 

Week 4: Team D is TA and makes their moves prior to 7PM

Team C is next and must call in between 7 - 7:10

Team B must call between 7:10 - 7:20

Team A must call between 7:20 - 7:30 and so on…

 

Every team has at least one night as TA and one night in every other slot. In a 12 team league, the first team (Team A) repeats as TA in Week 13 and the Commissioner handles playoff transactions.

 

Any waived player immediately becomes a Free Agent, and is immediately available to be claimed by the next caller. No previous callers may call back until the end of the night. The Transactions Agent must announce all transactions that they have logged to all callers that wish that information.

 

The last half hour of The Claiming Period each week will be an "Open Claiming Period" where teams may continue to make "Waive/Claim" transactions. This is done on a first-come, first-served basis, subject to the two player “claim” limit. Teams MUST call during their scheduled time or during the Open Period.

 

After the TA duties are complete, the TA emails or calls The Commissioner with the results and then the Commissioner will submit all "Waive/Claims" to the league management service in use that year. No other drop/Adds may be made until the next Transaction Night, but trades may be executed at any time.

 

Benefits? Every owner stays involved in the process. When you are the TA, it is virtually guaranteed that you will speak to every owner that week. Trash talk…trade talk…it’s all there. Outside of the draft, your TA week is the best week of the season!

 

Luck? When LT goes down the Sunday before your week, you are right there to pick up Turner if he’s available. Something like that can turn your season around…and why should the last place team be rewarded like that?

 

RR

[irish]

Don’t like worst-to-first or blind bidding. For the last ten years, we have used a unique Drop/Add process.

 

A random schedule is generated before the season. (Done by using a 12-sided dice roll.)

 

Each team is given at least one Transaction Night where he/she performs the duties of "Transaction Agent". The Transaction Agent may make up to two Drop/Adds before any other teams call in.

 

After that, as per the posted schedule, each week during the regular season, any team may waive up to two players on its team and claim replacement players from the free agent pool during the Claiming Period. (Each claim costs $2.)

 

The Claiming Period is from 7PM to 9PM on Thursday Nights. (If there is a Thursday Night game, then Transaction Night is moved to Wednesday night.)

 

Week 1: Team A is TA and makes their moves prior to 7PM

Team B is next and must call in between 7 - 7:10

Team C must call between 7:10 - 7:20

Team D must call between 7:20 - 7:30 and so on…

 

Week 2: Team C is TA and makes their moves prior to 7PM

Team A is next and must call in between 7 - 7:10

Team D must call between 7:10 - 7:20

Team B must call between 7:20 - 7:30 and so on…

 

Week 3: Team B is TA and makes their moves prior to 7PM

Team D is next and must call in between 7 - 7:10

Team A must call between 7:10 - 7:20

Team C must call between 7:20 - 7:30 and so on…

 

Week 4: Team D is TA and makes their moves prior to 7PM

Team C is next and must call in between 7 - 7:10

Team B must call between 7:10 - 7:20

Team A must call between 7:20 - 7:30 and so on…

 

Every team has at least one night as TA and one night in every other slot. In a 12 team league, the first team (Team A) repeats as TA in Week 13 and the Commissioner handles playoff transactions.

 

Any waived player immediately becomes a Free Agent, and is immediately available to be claimed by the next caller. No previous callers may call back until the end of the night. The Transactions Agent must announce all transactions that they have logged to all callers that wish that information.

 

The last half hour of The Claiming Period each week will be an "Open Claiming Period" where teams may continue to make "Waive/Claim" transactions. This is done on a first-come, first-served basis, subject to the two player “claim” limit. Teams MUST call during their scheduled time or during the Open Period.

 

After the TA duties are complete, the TA emails or calls The Commissioner with the results and then the Commissioner will submit all "Waive/Claims" to the league management service in use that year. No other drop/Adds may be made until the next Transaction Night, but trades may be executed at any time.

 

Benefits? Every owner stays involved in the process. When you are the TA, it is virtually guaranteed that you will speak to every owner that week. Trash talk…trade talk…it’s all there. Outside of the draft, your TA week is the best week of the season!

 

Luck? When LT goes down the Sunday before your week, you are right there to pick up Turner if he’s available. Something like that can turn your season around…and why should the last place team be rewarded like that?

 

RR

 

That's a fair system however, the TA should only be able to add one player before giving the others a shot. Pretty good though because it's random and not favoring any one team. Hell with worst to first if they're bad most of the beginning part of the year for whatever reason, they get the first pick week after week. That's fair?!?!?

Edited August 8, 2007 by irish

[Goopster24]

I am all about blind bidding. In my local with my boys from home, they refuse to do it and want to do Waivers/FCFS. They are all lazy and don't want to put the extra work for the blind bidding. Their argument is also that the peopel who are last usually don't even care. It's a more laxed league, but still competitive. Very annoying and majority rules.

[Outshined]

Don’t like worst-to-first or blind bidding. For the last ten years, we have used a unique Drop/Add process.

 

A random schedule is generated before the season. (Done by using a 12-sided dice roll.)

 

Each team is given at least one Transaction Night where he/she performs the duties of "Transaction Agent". The Transaction Agent may make up to two Drop/Adds before any other teams call in.

 

After that, as per the posted schedule, each week during the regular season, any team may waive up to two players on its team and claim replacement players from the free agent pool during the Claiming Period. (Each claim costs $2.)

 

The Claiming Period is from 7PM to 9PM on Thursday Nights. (If there is a Thursday Night game, then Transaction Night is moved to Wednesday night.)

 

Week 1: Team A is TA and makes their moves prior to 7PM

Team B is next and must call in between 7 - 7:10

Team C must call between 7:10 - 7:20

Team D must call between 7:20 - 7:30 and so on…

 

Week 2: Team C is TA and makes their moves prior to 7PM

Team A is next and must call in between 7 - 7:10

Team D must call between 7:10 - 7:20

Team B must call between 7:20 - 7:30 and so on…

 

Week 3: Team B is TA and makes their moves prior to 7PM

Team D is next and must call in between 7 - 7:10

Team A must call between 7:10 - 7:20

Team C must call between 7:20 - 7:30 and so on…

 

Week 4: Team D is TA and makes their moves prior to 7PM

Team C is next and must call in between 7 - 7:10

Team B must call between 7:10 - 7:20

Team A must call between 7:20 - 7:30 and so on…

 

Every team has at least one night as TA and one night in every other slot. In a 12 team league, the first team (Team A) repeats as TA in Week 13 and the Commissioner handles playoff transactions.

 

Any waived player immediately becomes a Free Agent, and is immediately available to be claimed by the next caller. No previous callers may call back until the end of the night. The Transactions Agent must announce all transactions that they have logged to all callers that wish that information.

 

The last half hour of The Claiming Period each week will be an "Open Claiming Period" where teams may continue to make "Waive/Claim" transactions. This is done on a first-come, first-served basis, subject to the two player “claim” limit. Teams MUST call during their scheduled time or during the Open Period.

 

After the TA duties are complete, the TA emails or calls The Commissioner with the results and then the Commissioner will submit all "Waive/Claims" to the league management service in use that year. No other drop/Adds may be made until the next Transaction Night, but trades may be executed at any time.

 

Benefits? Every owner stays involved in the process. When you are the TA, it is virtually guaranteed that you will speak to every owner that week. Trash talk…trade talk…it’s all there. Outside of the draft, your TA week is the best week of the season!

 

Luck? When LT goes down the Sunday before your week, you are right there to pick up Turner if he’s available. Something like that can turn your season around…and why should the last place team be rewarded like that?

 

RR

 

We used to do that before everything was online.

[rrobb]

Aw...them new fangled 'puters agin...I remember the days when people used to actually TALK to each other! <G>

 

RR

 

PS. I do like not having to do the stats by hand from USA Today, however! Could be why I'm still married.

[Puddy]

Worst to first, regardless of how competitive the league is , IS NOT the way to go. ...I can't understand the use of a worst to first system at all, it eliminates equality and fairness between owners. Worst to first!!!

You do realize that the worst to first idea is very common in professional sports. Why in the world should the Raiders be allowed to pick first in the draft this year? Just because their team is inept, it's unfair to the Colts that they were allowed to have the first pick. You sound like a proponent of complete free agency, not waiver wires.

 

Major league baseball uses a worst to first system for clearing waivers.

 

You make it sound like it's an absurd idea but it has been embraced for years by sports for years.

 

 

Oh and I agree that BB is more fun. Just saying, there is some logic to worst to first.

Edited August 8, 2007 by Puddy

[Bronco Billy]

Oh and I agree that BB is more fun.

 

Damn right I am!