piratesownninjas Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Maybe they actually think Jackson is the real deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Didn't Jackson get injured early last year....then Morency took over and got promptly injured...then DeShawn Wynn took over and look real good....until he got injured....then it went to Grant. Maybe the Packers see Julius Jones in Ryan Grant....I can't remember the last great NFL running back from Notre Dame. Maybe they actually think Jackson is the real deal. Ricky Watters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Didn't Jackson get injured early last year....then Morency took over and got promptly injured...then DeShawn Wynn took over and look real good....until he got injured....then it went to Grant. Maybe the Packers see Julius Jones in Ryan Grant....I can't remember the last great NFL running back from Notre Dame. Maybe they actually think Jackson is the real deal. They were all injured at various times and none of them took the job. None were consistent. Grant took the job and kept it. Great RB from Notre Dame? This is the NFL not the NCAA. What difference does it make what college he went to? Julius Jones? Jackson had several chances and didn't do well at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Ricky Watters? Jerome Bettis ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 And I tend to agree with YOU on those points, not the Packers' brass. That's why this Grant situation is troubling to me. Well they don't talk to the press about it so what we have is what his agent says. He says Grant was upset, but again his agent is the one saying it. Has Grant said anything? I haven't even seen the contract offer. I usually try to ignore talk around contract negotiations. Has Grant or anyone on the team said anything I haven't seen? I doubt they would offer back up money long term. That doesn't sound like them unless it's for one year and can be re written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShiznit Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 They were all injured at various times and none of them took the job. None were consistent. Grant took the job and kept it.How many games did Jackson start before getting injured?Great RB from Notre Dame? This is the NFL not the NCAA.thanks for the heads up....but system sometimes has something to do with it from college to pros...or is that a point lost in translation. What difference does it make what college he went to? Julius Jones? Jackson had several chances and didn't do well at all.I don't think he had several chances. When he came back as a change of pace of Grant he performed well....especially in the passing game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) Brandon Jackson came from Nebraska. He started the first 3 games of the year before getting hurt. He averaged 2.7, 2.1 and 3.7 YGC in those games. That's 3 chances to take the job. Until then he didn't block or catch the ball well out of the backfield. He won't get another chance unless Grant gets hurt in my opinion. I watched every game, some training camp and practices. I wasn't impressed. He has a long way to go. I hear he has greatly improved. We'll see. His hands were not good early last year but he did get better late in the season. I don't see him as an every down back if that's what you are suggesting. EDIT I see you drafted him in MSHB2. I have Grant. If he goes down I see multiple backs like last year and really don't see him being the top back. People say he was good in the 2nd half but in one game he had one catch for 13 yards and the final game he did well. He really had one good game, the last game of the year and against the Lions. Edited July 30, 2008 by Randall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShiznit Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Regular Season Games Rushing Receiving Fumbles (this is for Brandon Jackson off NFL.com) WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost 1 09/09 PHI W 16-13 1 1 15 40 2.7 9 0 4 35 8.8 15 0 -- -- 2 09/16 @ NYG W 35-13 1 1 17 35 2.1 8 0 4 24 6.0 15 0 -- -- 3 09/23 SD W 31-24 1 1 6 22 3.7 8 1 3 22 7.3 16 0 -- -- Stats Fro Ryan Grant: Per NFL.com 8 10/29 @ DEN W 19-13 1 0 22 104 4.7 24 0 3 7 2.3 8 0 -- -- 9 11/04 @ KC W 33-22 1 1 19 55 2.9 12 0 4 37 9.3 15 0 -- -- 10 11/11 MIN W 34-0 1 1 25 119 4.8 30T 1 5 20 4.0 6 0 -- -- 11 11/18 CAR W 31-17 1 1 20 88 4.4 23 0 1 2 2.0 2 0 -- -- 12 11/22 @ DET W 37-26 1 1 15 101 6.7 31 1 6 31 5.2 13 0 -- -- 13 11/29 @ DAL L 27-37 1 0 14 94 6.7 62T 2 1 4 4.0 4 0 -- -- 14 12/09 OAK W 38-7 1 1 29 156 5.4 26 1 2 6 3.0 5 0 -- -- 15 12/16 @ STL W 33-14 1 0 18 55 3.1 24 1 2 3 1.5 2 0 1 1 16 12/23 @ CHI L 7-35 1 1 14 100 7.1 66T 1 1 9 9.0 9 0 -- -- 17 12/30 DET W 34-13 1 1 6 57 9.5 27T 1 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- TOTAL 15 7 188 956 5.1 66 8 30 145 4.8 21 0 1 1 Out side of the Minnesota game, Carolina game, and Chicago game....he never saw a run defense...at all. He broke off a 30 yarder against MN in a 34-0 route...carolina was a grind it out game...kudos to him there.....and in chicago, he had a 66 yard TD run...of his 100 total. I really don't see how he thinks he is worth much at all. All the rest of his competition was average at best to very very weak at worst. I will agree, he is better than Cedric Benson!!! Playoffs: Postseason Games Rushing Receiving Fumbles WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost 19 01/12 SEA W 42-20 1 1 27 201 7.4 43 3 2 6 3.0 11 0 2 2 20 01/20 NYG L 20-23 1 1 13 29 2.2 13 0 1 -3 -3.0 -3 0 -- -- TOTAL 2 2 40 230 5.8 43 3 3 3 1.0 11 0 2 2 From memory, Seattle wasn't stopping many opposing runner last year....were they? And in the only team to team comparison, Jackson averaged 2.1 against the giants while grant averaged 2.2. I think they are very comparable backs to one another....I just do. I live close enough to your market to watch a lot of Packer games. I don't see GB selling the farm on a kid who produced mostly against weak defenses....maybe I am wrong...but I sure don't see the production to warrant anything greater than earnest graham money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) I think they are very comparable backs to one another....I just do. I live close enough to your market to watch a lot of Packer games. I don't see GB selling the farm on a kid who produced mostly against weak defenses....maybe I am wrong...but I sure don't see the production to warrant anything greater than earnest graham money. Who's talking about them selling the farm? Edited July 30, 2008 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Who's talking about them selling the farm? Exaclty. Nobody is saying he should be given a big Shawn Alexander contract. But he seemed to be a pretty big spark to the team, and it would make sense to secure that spark (at such a crucial position) by offering more than a sixer and a carton of smokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Regular Season Games Rushing Receiving Fumbles (this is for Brandon Jackson off NFL.com) WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost 1 09/09 PHI W 16-13 1 1 15 40 2.7 9 0 4 35 8.8 15 0 -- -- 2 09/16 @ NYG W 35-13 1 1 17 35 2.1 8 0 4 24 6.0 15 0 -- -- 3 09/23 SD W 31-24 1 1 6 22 3.7 8 1 3 22 7.3 16 0 -- -- Stats Fro Ryan Grant: Per NFL.com 8 10/29 @ DEN W 19-13 1 0 22 104 4.7 24 0 3 7 2.3 8 0 -- -- 9 11/04 @ KC W 33-22 1 1 19 55 2.9 12 0 4 37 9.3 15 0 -- -- 10 11/11 MIN W 34-0 1 1 25 119 4.8 30T 1 5 20 4.0 6 0 -- -- 11 11/18 CAR W 31-17 1 1 20 88 4.4 23 0 1 2 2.0 2 0 -- -- 12 11/22 @ DET W 37-26 1 1 15 101 6.7 31 1 6 31 5.2 13 0 -- -- 13 11/29 @ DAL L 27-37 1 0 14 94 6.7 62T 2 1 4 4.0 4 0 -- -- 14 12/09 OAK W 38-7 1 1 29 156 5.4 26 1 2 6 3.0 5 0 -- -- 15 12/16 @ STL W 33-14 1 0 18 55 3.1 24 1 2 3 1.5 2 0 1 1 16 12/23 @ CHI L 7-35 1 1 14 100 7.1 66T 1 1 9 9.0 9 0 -- -- 17 12/30 DET W 34-13 1 1 6 57 9.5 27T 1 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- TOTAL 15 7 188 956 5.1 66 8 30 145 4.8 21 0 1 1 Out side of the Minnesota game, Carolina game, and Chicago game....he never saw a run defense...at all. He broke off a 30 yarder against MN in a 34-0 route...carolina was a grind it out game...kudos to him there.....and in chicago, he had a 66 yard TD run...of his 100 total. I really don't see how he thinks he is worth much at all. All the rest of his competition was average at best to very very weak at worst. I will agree, he is better than Cedric Benson!!! Playoffs: Postseason Games Rushing Receiving Fumbles WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost 19 01/12 SEA W 42-20 1 1 27 201 7.4 43 3 2 6 3.0 11 0 2 2 20 01/20 NYG L 20-23 1 1 13 29 2.2 13 0 1 -3 -3.0 -3 0 -- -- TOTAL 2 2 40 230 5.8 43 3 3 3 1.0 11 0 2 2 From memory, Seattle wasn't stopping many opposing runner last year....were they? And in the only team to team comparison, Jackson averaged 2.1 against the giants while grant averaged 2.2. I think they are very comparable backs to one another....I just do. I live close enough to your market to watch a lot of Packer games. I don't see GB selling the farm on a kid who produced mostly against weak defenses....maybe I am wrong...but I sure don't see the production to warrant anything greater than earnest graham money. Is this your first rodeo? Should I take every RB who had a great season last year and break down their opposing defenses? Gimme a break. He's not asking to be paid like Tomlinson. He's looking for market value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) It's hard for me to side with Grant when his agent first says he'll take an incentive based deal, but then starts throwing out numbers from Devin Hester's contract. With preseason not even started yet, I'm not too concerned. They'll keep negotiating, give him a little more cash, and he'll sign. Edited July 30, 2008 by budlitebrad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tford Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Regular Season Games Rushing Receiving Fumbles (this is for Brandon Jackson off NFL.com) WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost 1 09/09 PHI W 16-13 1 1 15 40 2.7 9 0 4 35 8.8 15 0 -- -- 2 09/16 @ NYG W 35-13 1 1 17 35 2.1 8 0 4 24 6.0 15 0 -- -- 3 09/23 SD W 31-24 1 1 6 22 3.7 8 1 3 22 7.3 16 0 -- -- Stats Fro Ryan Grant: Per NFL.com 8 10/29 @ DEN W 19-13 1 0 22 104 4.7 24 0 3 7 2.3 8 0 -- -- 9 11/04 @ KC W 33-22 1 1 19 55 2.9 12 0 4 37 9.3 15 0 -- -- 10 11/11 MIN W 34-0 1 1 25 119 4.8 30T 1 5 20 4.0 6 0 -- -- 11 11/18 CAR W 31-17 1 1 20 88 4.4 23 0 1 2 2.0 2 0 -- -- 12 11/22 @ DET W 37-26 1 1 15 101 6.7 31 1 6 31 5.2 13 0 -- -- 13 11/29 @ DAL L 27-37 1 0 14 94 6.7 62T 2 1 4 4.0 4 0 -- -- 14 12/09 OAK W 38-7 1 1 29 156 5.4 26 1 2 6 3.0 5 0 -- -- 15 12/16 @ STL W 33-14 1 0 18 55 3.1 24 1 2 3 1.5 2 0 1 1 16 12/23 @ CHI L 7-35 1 1 14 100 7.1 66T 1 1 9 9.0 9 0 -- -- 17 12/30 DET W 34-13 1 1 6 57 9.5 27T 1 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- TOTAL 15 7 188 956 5.1 66 8 30 145 4.8 21 0 1 1 Out side of the Minnesota game, Carolina game, and Chicago game....he never saw a run defense...at all. He broke off a 30 yarder against MN in a 34-0 route...carolina was a grind it out game...kudos to him there.....and in chicago, he had a 66 yard TD run...of his 100 total. I really don't see how he thinks he is worth much at all. All the rest of his competition was average at best to very very weak at worst. I will agree, he is better than Cedric Benson!!! Playoffs: Postseason Games Rushing Receiving Fumbles WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost 19 01/12 SEA W 42-20 1 1 27 201 7.4 43 3 2 6 3.0 11 0 2 2 20 01/20 NYG L 20-23 1 1 13 29 2.2 13 0 1 -3 -3.0 -3 0 -- -- TOTAL 2 2 40 230 5.8 43 3 3 3 1.0 11 0 2 2 From memory, Seattle wasn't stopping many opposing runner last year....were they? And in the only team to team comparison, Jackson averaged 2.1 against the giants while grant averaged 2.2. I think they are very comparable backs to one another....I just do. I live close enough to your market to watch a lot of Packer games. I don't see GB selling the farm on a kid who produced mostly against weak defenses....maybe I am wrong...but I sure don't see the production to warrant anything greater than earnest graham money. Seattle's run defense was 12th best in the league last year. If you want to go by NFL.com stats (YPG allowed), the Seattle run defense was the best run D he started against outside of Minnesota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Seattle's run defense was 12th best in the league last year. If you want to go by NFL.com stats (YPG allowed), the Seattle run defense was the best run D he started against outside of Minnesota. Hush, mere mortal. You'll fall afoul of shiznit, the omniscient one... Just call him Tojo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Regular Season Games Rushing Receiving Fumbles (this is for Brandon Jackson off NFL.com) WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost 1 09/09 PHI W 16-13 1 1 15 40 2.7 9 0 4 35 8.8 15 0 -- -- 2 09/16 @ NYG W 35-13 1 1 17 35 2.1 8 0 4 24 6.0 15 0 -- -- 3 09/23 SD W 31-24 1 1 6 22 3.7 8 1 3 22 7.3 16 0 -- -- Stats Fro Ryan Grant: Per NFL.com 8 10/29 @ DEN W 19-13 1 0 22 104 4.7 24 0 3 7 2.3 8 0 -- -- 9 11/04 @ KC W 33-22 1 1 19 55 2.9 12 0 4 37 9.3 15 0 -- -- 10 11/11 MIN W 34-0 1 1 25 119 4.8 30T 1 5 20 4.0 6 0 -- -- 11 11/18 CAR W 31-17 1 1 20 88 4.4 23 0 1 2 2.0 2 0 -- -- 12 11/22 @ DET W 37-26 1 1 15 101 6.7 31 1 6 31 5.2 13 0 -- -- 13 11/29 @ DAL L 27-37 1 0 14 94 6.7 62T 2 1 4 4.0 4 0 -- -- 14 12/09 OAK W 38-7 1 1 29 156 5.4 26 1 2 6 3.0 5 0 -- -- 15 12/16 @ STL W 33-14 1 0 18 55 3.1 24 1 2 3 1.5 2 0 1 1 16 12/23 @ CHI L 7-35 1 1 14 100 7.1 66T 1 1 9 9.0 9 0 -- -- 17 12/30 DET W 34-13 1 1 6 57 9.5 27T 1 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- TOTAL 15 7 188 956 5.1 66 8 30 145 4.8 21 0 1 1 Out side of the Minnesota game, Carolina game, and Chicago game....he never saw a run defense...at all. He broke off a 30 yarder against MN in a 34-0 route...carolina was a grind it out game...kudos to him there.....and in chicago, he had a 66 yard TD run...of his 100 total. I really don't see how he thinks he is worth much at all. All the rest of his competition was average at best to very very weak at worst. I will agree, he is better than Cedric Benson!!! Playoffs: Postseason Games Rushing Receiving Fumbles WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost 19 01/12 SEA W 42-20 1 1 27 201 7.4 43 3 2 6 3.0 11 0 2 2 20 01/20 NYG L 20-23 1 1 13 29 2.2 13 0 1 -3 -3.0 -3 0 -- -- TOTAL 2 2 40 230 5.8 43 3 3 3 1.0 11 0 2 2 From memory, Seattle wasn't stopping many opposing runner last year....were they? And in the only team to team comparison, Jackson averaged 2.1 against the giants while grant averaged 2.2. I think they are very comparable backs to one another....I just do. I live close enough to your market to watch a lot of Packer games. I don't see GB selling the farm on a kid who produced mostly against weak defenses....maybe I am wrong...but I sure don't see the production to warrant anything greater than earnest graham money. I was going to select Tomlinson with my first pick, but, then, shockingly, I realized the many of his good games went against teams that weren't good against the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShiznit Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Seattle's run defense was 12th best in the league last year. If you want to go by NFL.com stats (YPG allowed), the Seattle run defense was the best run D he started against outside of Minnesota. LOL...maybe...all I remember is Cedric Benson annialating them...and that should speak volumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 If TT say's that's all he's worth, then by God that's all he's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Packers RB Ryan Grant is seeking a six year, $40 million contract. Good luck with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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