kpholmes Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 How many friggin overrated Roy Williams' do they need in Dallas?? fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 fixed. So many similarities between both the Roy's... One is a liability in coverage, the other can't catch regardless if he's open or covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted October 14, 2008 Author Share Posted October 14, 2008 link? as soon as I am able to link to my TV you will have it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 (edited) It's going to take him at least four weeks before he learns the offense Seriously, how long could it take to learn the Dallas playbook? Edited October 14, 2008 by SheikYerbuti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Wow. Fleecing of Dallas. I'm interested in hearing if another team stepped up to drive the price up. No way he should have commanded those picks. Free agent at the end of the year and not enough cash (or desire) to franchise him. I guess I admire that JJ is going for the SB win this year, but he could have been had for much less IMO. Moss went for a 4th round pick to New England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROYALWITCHEESE Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 It'll take Roy a few weeks to get the playbook down. Can't really start him until then. What he can't run slants, streaks, and catch jump balls in the endzone??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelhead Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I'm gonna try to trade him while his value is inflated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboyz1 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 (edited) Ok people are here saying Dallas gave up "Way too Much" for Williams. Lets look at this bit. The Cowboys gave up a 1st 3rd and 6th. If we were to go out and draft a WR next year who could we have gotten that would satisfy these four things: 1. Big, Young, Veteran WR with speed and hands 2. Capable of playing in the NFL 3. Capable of taking coverage away from T.O. 4. Knows the NFL game Nobody. Thats right. A rookie taken in the late first or if you package the 3rd and 6th to get higher in the first, a Rookie is not going to give you the above three. Secondly what if you took a WR in the top 15, Jerry would be paying him top 15 draft pick money and still not know if the kid could play opposite TO. Now by getting Roy we can pay for a fairly known commodity at 26 years who knows how to play in the NFL. Let's say T.O. goes down this year or next. Roy would be much better to fill in rather then anyone on our current roster and next year, I would feel a whole lot more comfortable with Roy then a Rookie WR and Crayton, Austin, Hurd and Stanback. Smart move. Sounds like a very smart deal to me. You get proven vs. rookie for even or less money and don't have to worry about drafting right. Now we can focus on other positions and don't have to worry about training or coaching up a rookie. Time and Money saved. I like it though I am not sold on Roy Wiliams just yet. Edited October 14, 2008 by Cowboyz1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Wow. Fleecing of Dallas. I'm interested in hearing if another team stepped up to drive the price up. No way he should have commanded those picks. Free agent at the end of the year and not enough cash (or desire) to franchise him. I guess I admire that JJ is going for the SB win this year, but he could have been had for much less IMO. Moss went for a 4th round pick to New England. still dont beleive dallas will win SB ... believe they will find a way to lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Great move by the Lions !!!! I think the Cowboys gave up way too much, but, it does have potential for them. My take on Roy Williams is that he has tons of talent, but, seems to lack passion and concentration. However, some of that may have had to do with playing for the Lions, but, it still calls into question his character. Like I said, this has the potential to be great for Dallas, as they have another impressive talent on the offensive side of the ball, but, I could also see it being one of those trades that looks good on paper, but, doesn't help on the field (messes up chemistry, etc.) On the Detroit side, why wouldn't they do this ??? They aren't a contender, and they got an extra 1st & 3rd, which could provide great value in their re-building efforts. Hit the nail on the head. I remember Roy early in career could catch in traffic, run over defenders, and practically no ball was uncatchable. What happened to him, dunno. Appears to play with no heart,no passion, no drive to be one of the best which he could very well be if he chose. Lions got a good deal for an underperformer, and Dallas gets I don't know what. If Roy plays to his abilities, I don't think they over paid. If he stays staus qou, LIons did extremely well. I'm nuetral on this at the moment as I was hoping Roy would find himself again and become a force with CJ.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Ok people are here saying Dallas gave up "Way too Much" for Williams. Lets look at this bit. The Cowboys gave up a 1st 3rd and 6th. If we were to go out and draft a WR next year who could we have gotten that would satisfy these four things: 1. Big, Young, Veteran WR with speed and hands 2. Capable of playing in the NFL 3. Capable of taking coverage away from T.O. 4. Knows the NFL game Nobody. I agree. Consider also that they have crap depth-wise behind a mid-30's T.O. It won't get the cowboys to the Super Bowl, but it was a smart move both for this year and in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travesty Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 As far as Dallas goes, I just don't get it. They're down Newman for 6 weeks, Pacman for hopefully ever, and they were struggling to cover when both those guys played... So instead of attempting to address the defense which has major holes in the secondary, they go out and trade for a receiver... If you're thinking about next year, then yes a 1,3 & 6 could help the defense. If you're talking about this year (which is all JJ cares about right now), I just don't see the long line of teams waiting to trade away a top DB, even if Dallas is willing to overpay. Yes the Dallas D is ailing, but the goal is to score more points than the opponent, not to keep the other guys under some "magic" number. So scoring more points is a valid response if you can't keep the opponent from scoring as many (see "greatest show on turf"). And while this is a steep price, a first round draft pick gets you a top WR who needs at least 2 years in the league before he contributes significantly, so a first and third (they swap a 6&7 so who cares) doesn't seem horribly steep if RW can help out this year, especially in the playoff. Per reports DET was holding out for 2 first rounders and dallas refused until they came down at the deadline, so it's not as tho Dallas went on a spending spree and damn the costs. Of course, if Dallas already doesn't have a first committment for a contract renewal in hand even before the trade was completed, it's not just overpriced it's insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myhousekey Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Randy Moss = 4th Roy Williams = 1st, 3rd and 6th. You can say all you want about how Roy is going to help the team but they vastly overpaid IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rai Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 (edited) OK I'm not an expert but how good is Roy anyway? I mean look everyone says McNabb never had any quality WRs except for TO but look at DeSean Jackson who is a 2nd round pick seems to me he's as good a WR (stat wise) as Roy ever was My point is what the heck if a 2nd round can pan out you are giving up 1 and 3 round pick for Roy who needs a new contract (likely) will need big contract after this move. I don't like the deal think Dallas paid too much, I mean what round pick was M Barber for example they are giving up a future player like that for Roy who at 26 really hasn't done much IMO Fitz and Boldon really what are they worth if Roy is worth this much? Edited October 14, 2008 by rai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 You guys that are saying Roy Williams was unmotivated I have some news for you: he played for the Detroit Lions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 (edited) Quick .02, probably just echoing what others have said but anyway: - nice deal by DET - eliminated a guy who is disappointing and a locker room cancer to boot for a 1st rounder plus change. Now CJ is far and away "the man" but still have WR depth with the underrated Furrey and McDonald - DAL overpaid.....could still work out for them as Owens is getting up there and Wms could be their "WR of the future", but they likely should not have done this because along w/questions about his heart (and maybe even ability?), he isn't exactly an iron man. - Owens and esp Witten owners have to be wondering/worrying about this at least a little. And lol @ Crayton. Edited October 14, 2008 by BeeR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 OK I'm not an expert but how good is Roy anyway? I mean look everyone says McNabb never had any quality WRs except for TO but look at DeSean Jackson who is a 2nd round pick seems to me he's as good a WR (stat wise) as Roy ever was My point is what the heck if a 2nd round can pan out you are giving up 1 and 3 round pick for Roy who needs a new contract (likely) will need big contract after this move. I don't like the deal think Dallas paid too much, I mean what round pick was M Barber for example they are giving up a future player like that for Roy who at 26 really hasn't done much IMO Fitz and Boldon really what are they worth if Roy is worth this much? You're comparing which LIons qb to McNabb???? Huge difference there, if we had anyone like McNabb I don't think Roy would have been going anywhere period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 OK I'm not an expert but how good is Roy anyway? I mean look everyone says McNabb never had any quality WRs except for TO but look at DeSean Jackson who is a 2nd round pick seems to me he's as good a WR (stat wise) as Roy ever was My point is what the heck if a 2nd round can pan out you are giving up 1 and 3 round pick for Roy who needs a new contract (likely) will need big contract after this move. I don't like the deal think Dallas paid too much, I mean what round pick was M Barber for example they are giving up a future player like that for Roy who at 26 really hasn't done much IMO Fitz and Boldon really what are they worth if Roy is worth this much? On a terrible team he was an 80 catch, 1300 yard, 8 TD guy. Unfortunately he had health issues which may be a legitimate concern, I guess we'll see. On a good offense this guy can be a top 5 WR, no doubt in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rai Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 (edited) Ok people are here saying Dallas gave up "Way too Much" for Williams. Lets look at this bit. The Cowboys gave up a 1st 3rd and 6th. If we were to go out and draft a WR next year who could we have gotten that would satisfy these four things: 1. Big, Young, WR with speed and hands 2. Capable of playing in the NFL 3. Capable of taking coverage away from T.O. 4. Knows the NFL game When the heck was Colston drafted? When was Bolden drafted? You have to get luck with a pick but there are many good WRs Moss drafted late in 1st round etc.. Edited October 14, 2008 by rai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myhousekey Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 (edited) A little off topic but saw this blurb that I didn't know before.... Roy Williams also played a small role in the 2004 sports film Friday Night Lights, playing the role of an assistant coach for the rival football team at Robert E. Lee High School. He was a star athlete at Permian High School, and his older brother was on the team the movie was based on. His one spoken line in the film is "He ain't going to play." Edited October 14, 2008 by myhousekey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rai Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 (edited) Boldon was drafted in the 2nd round Boldin has broken several NFL records. In his rookie year, Boldin had 101 catches and was the only rookie selected to the 2004 Pro Bowl. Boldin also set an NFL record for most receiving yards by a rookie in his first game (217), and holds the NFL record for most receptions in the first 26 games of an NFL career (157) as well as the fastest to record 300 career receptions (47 games). Colston 7th round Edited October 14, 2008 by rai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Anybody remember the Joey Galloway trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff321 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Yahoo is reporting that Roy signed a five year extension. I think this is a great move for the future considering T.O.'s age. Roy has all the ability and size to be a great threat in that offense fast. You wanna talk about dropped balls why not take a look at T.O. give this guy a q.b. and he will get numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Boldon was drafted in the 2nd round Colston 7th round That's nice. Now, how many wr's were drafted in those rounds (especially the 7th lol) in the last, say 5 years, that are flipping burgers or bagging groceries today? A helluva lot more than you think I'd bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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