godtomsatan Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 As will the stealfromus bill So a Congressman wasted the CBO's time by making up a dollar figure to prove his point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Jindal's 2012 campaign ended last night. Whether you liked what he had to say or not, Obama's speech was a home run in terms of tone and tenor, and following it up with nonsense and nonspecifics delivered with more mixed messages than even the Messiah threw out in the previous 70 minutes was nearly the definition of ridiculous. That was the first time I have ever watched Jindal give a speech. If I am lucky, it will be my last time too. He was f'ing horrible and his speech seemed as though it was intended for 6 year-olds. (On the other hand, he might have a future as Mr. Rogers Version 2.0) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 (edited) As will the stealfromus bill Any such calculations are intellectually dishonest. You have to take into consideration the full effects of the difference to the economy in extending such stimulus or doing nothing. Edited February 25, 2009 by CaP'N GRuNGe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Any such calculations are intellectually dishonest. You have to take into consideration the full effects of the difference to the economy in extending such stimulus or doing nothing. Bingo. Isn't this Republican "10 year costs" bleating exactly the same complaint they leveled at Democrats who pointed out the 10 year costs of tax cuts back in 2001? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Any such calculations are intellectually dishonest. You have to take into consideration the full effects of the difference to the economy in extending such stimulus or doing nothing. the CBO already did that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Bingo. Isn't this Republican "10 year costs" bleating exactly the same complaint they leveled at Democrats who pointed out the 10 year costs of tax cuts back in 2001? I don't know, I'm not a republican. But as Az has already pointed out for me, the CBO says the bill will probably be a net negative on GDP. Oh, snap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 $200 million to WWII Filipino vets??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Jindal's 2012 campaign ended last night. Whether you liked what he had to say or not, Obama's speech was a home run in terms of tone and tenor, and following it up with nonsense and nonspecifics delivered with more mixed messages than even the Messiah threw out in the previous 70 minutes was nearly the definition of ridiculous. I didn't understand his rambling about Katrina. So he didn't like the way Bush was handling things has nothing to do with Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 $200 million to WWII Filipino vets??? Some of which are not now nor have the ever been citizens of the US. How can you defend us helping out the economy of the Philippines, folks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Has Orszag weighed in on that estimate? I'm curious to see what he has to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I didn't understand his rambling about Katrina. So he didn't like the way Bush was handling things has nothing to do with Obama. I think the core concept that he was trying to relay is that H8tank is coming in his boat to bail us all out of trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Has Orszag weighed in on that estimate? I'm curious to see what he has to say. I'll bet. what do you think he would say? he's going to shill for his and his boss' plan. duh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 $200 million to WWII Filipino vets??? This $$$ goes to 18,000 living soldiers who fought under MacArthur while the Philippines was still a US territory. The War Dept. gave them regular army benefits from 1942 to 1946. I would concur that this should have been part of a different spending package, but I'm not sure I object to the idea behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 This $$$ goes to 18,000 living soldiers who fought under MacArthur while the Philippines was still a US territory. The War Dept. gave them regular army benefits from 1942 to 1946. I would concur that this should have been part of a different spending package, but I'm not sure I object to the idea behind it. I'm familiar with the background - just pointing out it's not stimulative. It's a pet project (possibly a worthy, honorable one) that some prick stuck in there because he/she know it would pass. Much of this bill is not stimulative, or too temporarily stimulative to justify the expense. It creates far more burden down the road than just the $1.2 trillion loan we've taken out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I'm familiar with the background - just pointing out it's not stimulative. It's a pet project (possibly a worthy, honorable one) that some prick stuck in there because he/she know it would pass. Much of this bill is not stimulative, or too temporarily stimulative to justify the expense. It creates far more burden down the road than just the $1.2 trillion loan we've taken out. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I'm familiar with the background - just pointing out it's not stimulative. It's a pet project (possibly a worthy, honorable one) that some prick stuck in there because he/she know it would pass. Much of this bill is not stimulative, or too temporarily stimulative to justify the expense. It creates far more burden down the road than just the $1.2 trillion loan we've taken out. +1 I'd be interested to know when it would be appropriate to fund this bill. Maybe not now, though you could argue that it is stimulative, as is almost any spending aimed at the poor. So when? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I'd be interested to know when it would be appropriate to fund this bill. Maybe not now, though you could argue that it is stimulative, as is almost any spending aimed at the poor. So when? Again, a large part of this bill will pay people who've never set foot on this continent. How does that stimulate our economy? Just like the dang butterfly habitat and water park, these are a bunch of dem congresspeople's pet spending projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 (edited) Again, a large part of this bill will pay people who've never set foot on this continent. How does that stimulate our economy? Just like the dang butterfly habitat and water park, these are a bunch of dem congresspeople's pet spending projects. I don't know, but seeing as the vast majority of these soldiers who helped us win WW 2 only to be left with nothing but broken promises of payment never lived to see it. Turns out the only way for America to keep that promise was to put it in an "unstoppable" bill. I'm OK with it after reading THiS It's a great read, but you may want to skip to this part: In the House, Rep. Steve Buyer (R-Indiana), the ranking Republican in Filner’s committee, was quoted by the International Herald Tribune, saying, “I hope Americans will stop to ponder the distorted values of those who crafted this bill.” The Philippine News report pointedly included a Politifact.com “Truth-O-Meter” rebuttal of the Republican criticism. Money for the veterans’ benefits will not come from the stimulus package, the website says. The provision only authorizes the release of funds appropriated last year but blocked in the Senate. “The amount of money coming from the stimulus bill is zero. The money was appropriated last year,” Rob Blumenthal, Democratic communications director for the Senate Appropriations Committee, told Politifact. Edited February 26, 2009 by cre8tiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Some of which are not now nor have the ever been citizens of the US. How can you defend us helping out the economy of the Philippines, folks? You don't know history very well at all, do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 You don't know history very well at all, do you? I see this argument posted in a lot of threads these days. It's really a matter of which version of history you choose to read, listen to or view. They are all jaded and larely "written by the victor." Perhaps that's why we can't agree on where we should go into the future - we can't even agree on where we've been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I see this argument posted in a lot of threads these days. It's really a matter of which version of history you choose to read, listen to or view. They are all jaded and larely "written by the victor." Perhaps that's why we can't agree on where we should go into the future - we can't even agree on where we've been. Well, now that this apparently is NOT a .025% slice of the stimulus bill that we're concerned about, seeing as how the link above releases funds set aside LAST year can we move on now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Jindal's 2012 campaign ended last night. Whether you liked what he had to say or not, Obama's speech was a home run in terms of tone and tenor, and following it up with nonsense and nonspecifics delivered with more mixed messages than even the Messiah threw out in the previous 70 minutes was nearly the definition of ridiculous. Not to mention the guy looked plain scary coming around that corner. And did he have a voice transplant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I don't know, but seeing as the vast majority of these soldiers who helped us win WW 2 only to be left with nothing but broken promises of payment never lived to see it. Turns out the only way for America to keep that promise was to put it in an "unstoppable" bill. Them and the Hmong who fought against the Communists should be able to swap a tale or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I don't know but that doesn't change the fact that I bet the unemployed don't agree with what you said... I am not unemployed and don't know anyone close to me that is, thankfully....however, I have no problem saying that I am underemployed right now but I am not getting any help and don't expect any and I know there is a large number of underemployed on top of the unemployment numbers we are seeing...I had to close my business just over a year ago and couldnt even imagine having to find a job today versus last year....on another note the town right across the river from me (Smithfield VA) is closing one of the Smithfield Ham factories and close to 2000 people are going to be out of work by the end of the year...thats just under one third of their population(6300)...I can't even fathom how bad it is going to be in Smithfield when that happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Again, a large part of this bill will pay people who've never set foot on this continent. For instance? Just like the dang butterfly habitat and water park, these are a bunch of dem congresspeople's pet spending projects. Do you have any other examples except for those made up by your GOP congressman to back this sort of thing up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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