theprofessor Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Until MLB sacks up and has a salary cap the Yankee's 2 championships this past 10 years will always be viewed as tainted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 This further proves the point. The Yankees have a payroll that is close to 70 Million higher than the 2nd highest payed team. It is baseball's fault, not the Yankees, but, my point still stands. They should be embarrassed if they don't win with that large of an advantage. exactly ...70 million more gets you a whole lot more say texiera , cc and burnett with still many millions to spare the yankees would not have made and won WS without those 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 exactly ...70 million more gets you a whole lot more say texiera , cc and burnett with still many millions to spare the yankees would not have made and won WS without those 3 I love when Met fans whine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 (edited) I love when Met fans whine. and i love when Yankee fans don't have a clue or want to face the facts Edited November 6, 2009 by isleseeya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 and i love when Yankee fans don't have a clue or want to face the facts I have a clue tha Yankees are world Champions and that is a fact. Go ask any Philly fan. what fact do you want me to face that they spent more money than anyone else and bought the best SP and 1b. yea so what that is #27 for those of you counting. Giradi is going to have to change his # to 28 next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 (edited) I have a clue tha Yankees are world Champions and that is a fact. Go ask any Philly fan. what fact do you want me to face that they spent more money than anyone else and bought the best SP and 1b. yea so what that is #27 for those of you counting. Giradi is going to have to change his # to 28 next year. Yes it is a fact ... but the biggest fact is that the yankees buy their success ...numbers and payroll dont lie do they ? if i own a ferrari and you own a honda and we race , i will win every time ( or i should win every time ) ...does that mean i should stick my chest out get all puffy and obnoxiously and arrogantly scream i am the winner ...no , i am suppose to win and understand that i won because i have a 200000 sports car and you have a honda see if you can understand that ...rather than go after mets fans , yankee fans should learn a little humility and understand more where there success is coming from ( georgies wallet ) and how they achieved it Edited November 6, 2009 by isleseeya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 (edited) Yes it is a fact ... but the biggest fact is that the yankees buy their success ...numbers and payroll dont lie do they ? if i own a ferrari and you own a honda and we race , i will win every time ( or i should win every time ) ...does that mean i should stick my chest out get all puffy and obnoxiously and arrogantly scream i am the winner ...no , i am suppose to win and understand that i won because i have a 200000 sports car and you have a honda see if you can understand that ...rather than go after mets fans , yankee fans should learn a little humility and understand more where there success is coming from ( georgies wallet ) and how they achieved it I didn't go after you I just said I love when ya'll whine. Now if you can't take that well just take your blanky and put your panties on and go to bed. oh by the way I'm one of the least arrogant Yankee fan around and I think I have acknowledged where the Championship came from, but you still sound a little bitter Edited November 6, 2009 by SLAYER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I didn't go after you I just said I love when ya'll whine. Now if you can't take that well just take your blanky and put your panties on and go to bed. no problem but i did want to make some pts that many Yankee fans like to ignore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Time to take off the homer glasses and speak what I believe to be the truth: 1. There is payroll disparity in baseball. 2. High payroll does not guarantee playoff success. 3. It is possible to be a small market team and win a World Series. 4. The World Series winners since 1990: 2009 New York Yankees 2008 Philadelphia Phillies 2007 Boston Red Sox 2006 St. Louis Cardinals 11th in payroll that year 2005 Chicago White Sox 13th in payroll that year 2004 Boston Red Sox 2003 Florida Marlins 2002 Anaheim Angels 15th in payroll that year 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks 2000 New York Yankees 1999 New York Yankees 1998 New York Yankees 1997 Florida Marlins 1996 New York Yankees 1995 Atlanta Braves 1993 Toronto Blue Jays 1992 Toronto Blue Jays 1991 Minnesota Twins 1990 Cincinnati Reds Payroll disparity is NOT an excuse to not be competitive. Well-run ORGANIZATIONS, which include the minor leagues, give you a chance to win. HOWEVER--Large market teams can afford to buy their way out of mistakes. Small market teams CANNOT. THIS is what makes the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 (edited) Time to take off the homer glasses and speak what I believe to be the truth: 1. There is payroll disparity in baseball. 2. High payroll does not guarantee playoff success. 3. It is possible to be a small market team and win a World Series. 4. The World Series winners since 1990: 2009 New York Yankees 2008 Philadelphia Phillies 2007 Boston Red Sox 2006 St. Louis Cardinals 11th in payroll that year 2005 Chicago White Sox 13th in payroll that year 2004 Boston Red Sox 2003 Florida Marlins 2002 Anaheim Angels 15th in payroll that year 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks 2000 New York Yankees 1999 New York Yankees 1998 New York Yankees 1997 Florida Marlins 1996 New York Yankees 1995 Atlanta Braves 1993 Toronto Blue Jays 1992 Toronto Blue Jays 1991 Minnesota Twins 1990 Cincinnati Reds Payroll disparity is NOT an excuse to not be competitive. Well-run ORGANIZATIONS, which include the minor leagues, give you a chance to win. HOWEVER--Large market teams can afford to buy their way out of mistakes. Small market teams CANNOT. THIS is what makes the difference. I agree especially the part that is now in bold Slayer , you edited the quote and still throwing some digs ..not sure why ...Am i bitter ? no ...just aggravated as i have spent most of my life around Yankee fans that do not have a clue and are arrogant ... Never heard one of them say " i am happy we won the title and spent what we had to to get it done or something like that " ... the arrogance and air about most ( and i mean most ) of Yankee fans is truly remarkable as is there lack of understanding as to why the vast majority of true baseball fans dislike their mannerisms now i am done ...enjoy the title Edited November 6, 2009 by isleseeya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I agree especially the part that is now in bold Slayer , you edited the quote and still throwing some digs ..not sure why ...Am i bitter ? no ...just aggravated as i have spent most of my life around Yankee fans that do not have a clue and are arrogant ... Never heard one of them say " i am happy we won the title and spent what we had to to get it done or something like that " ... the arrogance and air about most ( and i mean most ) of Yankee fans is truly remarkable as is there lack of understanding as to why the vast majority of true baseball fans dislike their mannerisms now i am done ...enjoy the title You have to remember isle, that people that root for large market teams cannot understand what it's like to be a fan of a small market team, and conversely fans of small market teams don't understand what's it's like to be a fan of a large market team. They are mutually exclusive fan bases. You cannot judge what you yourself cannot understand. I find myself guilty of this all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 You have to remember isle, that people that root for large market teams cannot understand what it's like to be a fan of a small market team, and conversely fans of small market teams don't understand what's it's like to be a fan of a large market team. They are mutually exclusive fan bases. You cannot judge what you yourself cannot understand. I find myself guilty of this all the time. I don't see how he could understand since he's a Mets and Giants fan. Last I checked, they are both Large Market teams. A Mets/Giants fans calling other fans arrogant Seriously though, I like you and you aren't like that but really... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I don't see how he could understand since he's a Mets and Giants fan. Last I checked, they are both Large Market teams. A Mets/Giants fans calling other fans arrogant I hear you. Trust me, the irony is not lost on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I hear you. Trust me, the irony is not lost on me. What Minnesota manage to get done on one third of the Yanks payroll is more impressive than any amount of bought championships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted November 6, 2009 Author Share Posted November 6, 2009 (edited) While I knew posting the salaries fortified the argument I did so for Isle purposes. While I agree 70 Mil is a big number you still have the 2nd highest payroll in baseball so there is some slight hypocrisy no ? Until baseball gets a cap this is just the way it is. edit to add: Face it Isle your just a hater The day I met you you had one of the best lines I have heard in a long time. You said if the Yankees were playing Al Queda you werent sure who you would root for Edited November 6, 2009 by whomper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Itals Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 What Minnesota manage to get done on one third of the Yanks payroll is more impressive than any amount of bought championships. What does the 8th place trophy look like? As a bonus prize, I'll give you one guess as to which owner is personally the wealthiest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshi17 Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 One small point is that baseball management is a business. The Yankees can be compared to Wal-Mart and small market teams to mom and pop stores. The Yankees put a high priced product on the market and sell tickets. About 4 million tickets a year. Some tickets as much as $2500 per game. Just check how much attendence in small markets increases during that weekend series when the Yankees come to town. They also have their own TV division (YES) that promotes their product. They also pay a luxury tax to the small market teams every year because they overspend on salaries. The Yankees spend a lot of money every year and make a lot of money each year. Thsi is "capitalism" and is one of the foundations of the American system. Is it fair? Just as fair as the operation of Microsoft, IBM etc. Does Bill Gates hire the best at outrageous salaries? They don't win every year but I don't see how you can fault them for doing business the "American" way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 As a bonus prize, I'll give you one guess as to which owner is personally the wealthiest. You know he's dead, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Itals Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 You know he's dead, right? I wonder if he was buried with it all since he didn't blow it on the Twins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 What Minnesota manage to get done on one third of the Yanks payroll is more impressive than any amount of bought championships. I was gonna get you some grapes to go with that but they're probably sour and bitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 I think it's funny that people are mad at the yankees for doing whatever it takes to win. People should be more upset with the likes of the pirates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 I think it's funny that people are mad at the yankees for doing whatever it takes to win. People should be more upset with the likes of the pirates. +10000000000 its even funnier when it comes fro Brewers fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoawhoa Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 One small point is that baseball management is a business. The Yankees can be compared to Wal-Mart and small market teams to mom and pop stores. The Yankees put a high priced product on the market and sell tickets. About 4 million tickets a year. Some tickets as much as $2500 per game. Just check how much attendence in small markets increases during that weekend series when the Yankees come to town. They also have their own TV division (YES) that promotes their product. They also pay a luxury tax to the small market teams every year because they overspend on salaries. The Yankees spend a lot of money every year and make a lot of money each year. Thsi is "capitalism" and is one of the foundations of the American system. Is it fair? Just as fair as the operation of Microsoft, IBM etc. Does Bill Gates hire the best at outrageous salaries? They don't win every year but I don't see how you can fault them for doing business the "American" way. Do they have revenue sharing for TV in baseball? do the yanks have to share their cable money with other teams like in football? please advise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Do they have revenue sharing for TV in baseball? do the yanks have to share their cable money with other teams like in football? please advise Only network revenue (ESPN, TBS, Fox) is shared. The Yankees don't share money they get in their cable contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Sanchez Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Maybe the fans of the small market teams hate the Yankees, but the owners love them. They line there pockets with huge amounts of revenue sharing dollars that the Yankees give them and then don't put it back into their teams to make them more competitive. Fact is, without the Yankee money, small market teams probably would have folded years ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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