polksalet Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091027/ap_on_.../as_afghanistan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I'd like to ask some project-oriented questions in regard to the war in Afghanistan: - What is the definition of success in this campaign? What is the vision of Afghanistan that would satisfy our goal? - Is success possible? - What would an estimate of the cost in dollars and lives be for that success? - Is success worth it? If the goal is "Catch Bin Laden, send his friends scrambling". That is a doable goal, and should be pursued. If the goal is "Democracy, love and peace"... I'm ready to cut bait and run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 If the goal is "Democracy, love and peace"... I'm ready to cut bait and run. Yup. I have serious reservations about the way this is being handled; the goals seem as unclear as Bush's Iraqi Welfare program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) I'd like to ask some project-oriented questions in regard to the war in Afghanistan: - What is the definition of success in this campaign? What is the vision of Afghanistan that would satisfy our goal? - Is success possible? - What would an estimate of the cost in dollars and lives be for that success? - Is success worth it? If the goal is "Catch Bin Laden, send his friends scrambling". That is a doable goal, and should be pursued. If the goal is "Democracy, love and peace"... I'm ready to cut bait and run. What if the goal is to hold a strong military presence there in order to keep their organization destabilized enough that they are not as much of a threat to US soil or our allies? Edited October 27, 2009 by rajncajn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 What if the goal is to hold a strong military presence there in order to keep their organization destabilized enough that they are not as much of a threat to US soil or our allies? When has their organisation been "stabilized" again? If the goal is stability for teh forces opposing the Taliban, then we should withdraw immediately and try to prop up pakistan . . .. cause THEY have nukes that we dont want falling into the wrong hands . . . . PS- Until very recently they WERE our allies, FYI . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 What if the goal is to hold a strong military presence there in order to keep their organization destabilized enough that they are not as much of a threat to US soil or our allies? How do you destabilize rogue organizations by occupying a region? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 How do you destabilize rogue organizations by occupying a region? Cut off their supply of goats? It aint like these guys have a "capital" that can be occupied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Why is any of this our business? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 why has there been no more discussion of capturing bin laden? obama talked it up quite a bit in the campaign ... why is apprehending this guy seemingly no longer a priority? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 What if the goal is to hold a strong military presence there in order to keep their organization destabilized enough that they are not as much of a threat to US soil or our allies? If "they" is the Taliban, they aren't attacking us. All they want is to control their little territory like they have for hundreds of years. If we wait 20 years, they will still come back and take over as soon as we look the other way. If "they" is Al Qaeda, we should hunt them down aggressively rather than trying to wait them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 why has there been no more discussion of capturing bin laden? obama talked it up quite a bit in the campaign ... why is apprehending this guy seemingly no longer a priority? That is a great point, and begs the question of why hasnt that been the priority since 9-11? Isnt the guy on kidney dialysis too? Why isnt this the #1 objective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 why has there been no more discussion of capturing bin laden? obama talked it up quite a bit in the campaign ... why is apprehending this guy seemingly no longer a priority? Probably because just like Bush he is doing every damn thing he can to catch him, just not talking about it every day. I have to believe he would desperately like to catch him and be the one remembered for doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Follow the money. War is about the Benjamins. Always. One day I'll share a story about a place called Nam Phong, Thailand in 1972-73. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Probably because just like Bush he is doing every damn thing he can to catch him, just not talking about it every day. I have to believe he would desperately like to catch him and be the one remembered for doing it. Delta Force supposedly got very close to bin Laden, but was ordered to cease the operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Follow the money. War is about the Benjamins. Always. One day I'll share a story about a place called Nam Phong, Thailand in 1972-73. Do tell! I'm interested in hearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) If "they" is the Taliban, they aren't attacking us. All they want is to control their little territory like they have for hundreds of years. If we wait 20 years, they will still come back and take over as soon as we look the other way. If "they" is Al Qaeda, we should hunt them down aggressively rather than trying to wait them out. First off, weren't the Taliban supporting Al Qaeda? If so and assuming they would again if they were in power wouldn't we want to keep them out of the picture? And second, by strong military presence I meant keeping a base of ops there in order to hunt Al Qaeda from & keep them from being able to re-stabilize/reorganize enough to attack us or our aliies on our own soil. Again, assuming the second we pull out then the Taliban will retake control & Al Qaeda will be able to do what they please in the region. Edited October 27, 2009 by rajncajn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 First off, weren't the Taliban supporting Al Qaeda? If so and assuming they would again if they were in power wouldn't we want to keep them out of the picture? And second, by strong military presence I meant keeping a base of ops there in order to hunt Al Qaeda from & keep them from being able to re-stabilize/reorganize enough to attack us or our aliies on our own soil. Again, assuming the second we pull out then the Taliban will retake control & Al Qaeda will be able to do what they please in the region. You are right about the Taliban providing AQ with a safe haven of course. Recently their leader appeared to say that would no longer be the case if they regain power. Personally I don't believe the SOB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Pakistan people. The focus needs to be on Pakistan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Why is any of this our business? IT'S ALL ABOUT OIL BABY It's all a cluster-****. Anyone who thinks we can bring peace and/or a stable/lasting Democracy to the Middle East should be laughed all the way to the White House, oops I mean the funny farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshi17 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Follow the money. War is about the Benjamins. Always. One day I'll share a story about a place called Nam Phong, Thailand in 1972-73. Flew in and out of there on "klong flights" (C-130) between Takhli, Udorn and NKP. No one would ever say waht went on there but rumor had it was a "training base" another it was R&R for Marines from 'nam. All I remember is it was pretty desolate carved out of jungle. We would pick up Marines and drop them in Udorn. Be interesting hearing what really went on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Follow the money. War is about the Benjamins. Always. One day I'll share a story about a place called Nam Phong, Thailand in 1972-73. Did you get to see Bob? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 IT'S ALL ABOUT OIL BABY It's all a cluster-****. Anyone who thinks we can bring peace and/or a stable/lasting Democracy to the Middle East should be laughed all the way to the White House, oops I mean the funny farm. Afghanistan has a heck of alot of opium ...not so much oil wrong war ...you may have been thinking about Iraq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Did you get to see Bob? I didn't get to see Bob Hope because I was on guard duty out at the bomb dump about five miles away. I was with the security element detached from 2/9 Marines and we were plenty disappointed. Our CO eventially gave us extra liberty in Udorn, an Air Force base about an hour and a half away to make up for it. I didn't know a video existed of that show till about a year ago. First time I saw it I got the chills. Was I ever really that young, lol? And Mr. Hope was not exaggerating when he talked about it being hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrograde assault Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 It should be a killing field, we should be there killing whoever wants to show their faces and fight us, nothing more, nothing less. One big ass live fire exercise. Thats all that country has ever been good for anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Afghanistan has a heck of alot of opium ...not so much oil wrong war ...you may have been thinking about Iraq Or I may have been makin w/the sarcasm Plenty of people out there who insist our involvement over there was all about oil. Yknow Bush and his evil minions blah blah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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