Massive Gulf Coast Oil Spill

[SEC=UGA]

alright, has anyone watched this video?...

 

I'm super serial

 

Red an article today that may explain all of the oil.... It appears that the trucks which are carrying materials from the beaches are not being properly lined and are leaving HUGH amounts of oil on the roads.

 

ORANGE BEACH, Ala. - A leaky truck filled with oil-stained sand and absorbent boom soaked in crude pulls away from the beach, leaving tar balls in a public parking lot and a messy trail of sand and water on the main beach road. A few miles away, brown liquid drips out of a disposal bin filled with polluted sand.

 

BP PLC's work to clean up the mess from the worst offshore oil spill in U.S. history already has generated more than 1,300 tons of solid waste, and companies it hired to dispose of the material say debris is being handled professionally and carefully.

 

A spot check of several container sites by The Associated Press, however, found that's not always the case.

 

Along the northern Gulf coast, where miles of beaches have been coated with oil intermittently for two weeks, the check showed the handling and disposal of oily materials was haphazard at best.

 

A mound of oily sand sits in an uncovered waste container in a parking lot at the crown jewel of Alabama's park system, Gulf State Park. Water from the previous night's storm drips out of the bin into a brown pool on the asphalt.

 

In Pensacola, Fla., along the road through Gulf Islands National Seashore, trash bags from the debris removal hang over the side of big storage bins.

 

A waste collection area dotted with numerous bins full of spill debris stands in what seems like an odd spot: Smack in the middle of the tourist section in Gulf Shores, Ala., directly across the street from a seafood restaurant hungry for customers because of a lack of tourists.

 

Cleaning up a spill is an undeniably messy job, particularly when crude oil or tar balls are washing ashore in varying amounts in four states. The debris isn't classified as hazardous waste, so it can be placed in landfills that accept ordinary household garbage, including table scraps.

 

Yet Jerry Kidd, doing maintenance work at a condominium, couldn't believe it when he saw a Waste Management Inc. truck pull away from a collection site in Orange Beach piled with loose sand, oil-smeared protective gear and oily boom pulled out of the water. It was trailing pollution of its own.

 

The company says it is using 535 containers lined with what amount to huge black trash bags to collect debris from Mississippi, Alabama and part of the Florida Panhandle under a contract with BP. But not all of the bins really are lined, and liners have failed in others.

 

"They're going down the road leading to the landfill; they take the same route every day. They're leaking onto the roads, into the storm sewers," said Kidd. "There's no telling where it's going."

 

The Alabama Department of Public Health, which regulates the transportation of such wastes in the state, said it wasn't aware of the problem until contacted by AP.

 

"This needs to be taken care of, and get these things sealed tight," said Pres Allinder, director of environmental services for the department. "There's no point in collecting this stuff if they're just going to spread it around."

 

Waste Management is taking solid wastes from the three states to landfills in Vernon, Ala.; Pass Christian, Miss.; and Campbellton, Fla. Spokesman Ken Haldin said the company would be more careful, having drivers check bins for problems and possibly using a new type of liner, because of the AP findings.

 

"It is something we are going to be addressing," he said. "They're probably isolated situations, but we are still early in the process with all this work."

 

Despite problems, Haldin said Waste Management is trying to make sure oil spill contamination isn't spread inland.

 

"There are a whole set of steps we are taking to make sure this operation is safe," he said.

 

Liquid waste, such as oily water left from the cleaning of oil-blocking booms or the mix of oil and water picked up by skimmer boats in the Gulf, is handled separately. The oily residue is processed for sale where possible and the water is reused or injected underground.

 

The amount of waste being generated sounds staggering, but it's not unusual in the disposal business.

 

"This whole spill is going to be a drop in the bucket for its impact on landfills," said Vic Cullpepper, technical director at River Birch Landfill, near New Orleans. "A lot of people are trying to blow this up and say it's going to be a problem for landfills, but it's not."

 

BP says 761 tons of crude-contaminated waste already has been buried at the two landfills in Alabama and Florida. Some 13,100 cubic yards of oily waste have been buried in Louisiana, where the amount is being tallied by volume instead of weight.

 

Marlin Ladner, a supervisor with Harrison County, Miss., is angry about spill waste being buried in his coastal county, which still is trying to recover from Hurricane Katrina in 2005. The county could use the dumping fees from the disposal operations, he said, but there are too many uncertainties.

 

"I just don't think it's worth it," he said. "I just have a problem with BP, in effect, polluting our beaches, bays and estuaries and then turning around and hauling that stuff and dropping it just four or five miles from the coast here."

 

BP says no oily material will be sent to the Mississippi landfill.

 

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Associated Press writer Melissa Nelson contributed to this report from Pensacola, Fla.

Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[gbpfan1231]

Huh?

To make it a bit clearer - he is saying you are a doushe.

[Avernus]

Red an article today that may explain all of the oil.... It appears that the trucks which are carrying materials from the beaches are not being properly lined and are leaving HUGH amounts of oil on the roads.

 

ORANGE BEACH, Ala. - A leaky truck filled with oil-stained sand and absorbent boom soaked in crude pulls away from the beach, leaving tar balls in a public parking lot and a messy trail of sand and water on the main beach road. A few miles away, brown liquid drips out of a disposal bin filled with polluted sand.

 

BP PLC's work to clean up the mess from the worst offshore oil spill in U.S. history already has generated more than 1,300 tons of solid waste, and companies it hired to dispose of the material say debris is being handled professionally and carefully.

 

A spot check of several container sites by The Associated Press, however, found that's not always the case.

 

Along the northern Gulf coast, where miles of beaches have been coated with oil intermittently for two weeks, the check showed the handling and disposal of oily materials was haphazard at best.

 

A mound of oily sand sits in an uncovered waste container in a parking lot at the crown jewel of Alabama's park system, Gulf State Park. Water from the previous night's storm drips out of the bin into a brown pool on the asphalt.

 

In Pensacola, Fla., along the road through Gulf Islands National Seashore, trash bags from the debris removal hang over the side of big storage bins.

 

A waste collection area dotted with numerous bins full of spill debris stands in what seems like an odd spot: Smack in the middle of the tourist section in Gulf Shores, Ala., directly across the street from a seafood restaurant hungry for customers because of a lack of tourists.

 

Cleaning up a spill is an undeniably messy job, particularly when crude oil or tar balls are washing ashore in varying amounts in four states. The debris isn't classified as hazardous waste, so it can be placed in landfills that accept ordinary household garbage, including table scraps.

 

Yet Jerry Kidd, doing maintenance work at a condominium, couldn't believe it when he saw a Waste Management Inc. truck pull away from a collection site in Orange Beach piled with loose sand, oil-smeared protective gear and oily boom pulled out of the water. It was trailing pollution of its own.

 

The company says it is using 535 containers lined with what amount to huge black trash bags to collect debris from Mississippi, Alabama and part of the Florida Panhandle under a contract with BP. But not all of the bins really are lined, and liners have failed in others.

 

"They're going down the road leading to the landfill; they take the same route every day. They're leaking onto the roads, into the storm sewers," said Kidd. "There's no telling where it's going."

 

The Alabama Department of Public Health, which regulates the transportation of such wastes in the state, said it wasn't aware of the problem until contacted by AP.

 

"This needs to be taken care of, and get these things sealed tight," said Pres Allinder, director of environmental services for the department. "There's no point in collecting this stuff if they're just going to spread it around."

 

Waste Management is taking solid wastes from the three states to landfills in Vernon, Ala.; Pass Christian, Miss.; and Campbellton, Fla. Spokesman Ken Haldin said the company would be more careful, having drivers check bins for problems and possibly using a new type of liner, because of the AP findings.

 

"It is something we are going to be addressing," he said. "They're probably isolated situations, but we are still early in the process with all this work."

 

Despite problems, Haldin said Waste Management is trying to make sure oil spill contamination isn't spread inland.

 

"There are a whole set of steps we are taking to make sure this operation is safe," he said.

 

Liquid waste, such as oily water left from the cleaning of oil-blocking booms or the mix of oil and water picked up by skimmer boats in the Gulf, is handled separately. The oily residue is processed for sale where possible and the water is reused or injected underground.

 

The amount of waste being generated sounds staggering, but it's not unusual in the disposal business.

 

"This whole spill is going to be a drop in the bucket for its impact on landfills," said Vic Cullpepper, technical director at River Birch Landfill, near New Orleans. "A lot of people are trying to blow this up and say it's going to be a problem for landfills, but it's not."

 

BP says 761 tons of crude-contaminated waste already has been buried at the two landfills in Alabama and Florida. Some 13,100 cubic yards of oily waste have been buried in Louisiana, where the amount is being tallied by volume instead of weight.

 

Marlin Ladner, a supervisor with Harrison County, Miss., is angry about spill waste being buried in his coastal county, which still is trying to recover from Hurricane Katrina in 2005. The county could use the dumping fees from the disposal operations, he said, but there are too many uncertainties.

 

"I just don't think it's worth it," he said. "I just have a problem with BP, in effect, polluting our beaches, bays and estuaries and then turning around and hauling that stuff and dropping it just four or five miles from the coast here."

 

BP says no oily material will be sent to the Mississippi landfill.

 

___

 

Associated Press writer Melissa Nelson contributed to this report from Pensacola, Fla.

Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

 

 

yeah, the more I watched it...the more it seemed strange that oil was only in the street - RT bit the bullet with running that video because if it really rained with oil mixed in then they would be showing the damage to the front lawn instead of what the gutter looks like...

[SeductiveNun]

Red an article today that may explain all of the oil.... It appears that the trucks which are carrying materials from the beaches are not being properly lined and are leaving HUGH amounts of oil on the roads.

 

ORANGE BEACH, Ala. - A leaky truck filled with oil-stained sand and absorbent boom soaked in crude pulls away from the beach, leaving tar balls in a public parking lot and a messy trail of sand and water on the main beach road. A few miles away, brown liquid drips out of a disposal bin filled with polluted sand.

 

BP PLC's work to clean up the mess from the worst offshore oil spill in U.S. history already has generated more than 1,300 tons of solid waste, and companies it hired to dispose of the material say debris is being handled professionally and carefully.

 

A spot check of several container sites by The Associated Press, however, found that's not always the case.

 

Along the northern Gulf coast, where miles of beaches have been coated with oil intermittently for two weeks, the check showed the handling and disposal of oily materials was haphazard at best.

 

A mound of oily sand sits in an uncovered waste container in a parking lot at the crown jewel of Alabama's park system, Gulf State Park. Water from the previous night's storm drips out of the bin into a brown pool on the asphalt.

 

In Pensacola, Fla., along the road through Gulf Islands National Seashore, trash bags from the debris removal hang over the side of big storage bins.

 

A waste collection area dotted with numerous bins full of spill debris stands in what seems like an odd spot: Smack in the middle of the tourist section in Gulf Shores, Ala., directly across the street from a seafood restaurant hungry for customers because of a lack of tourists.

 

Cleaning up a spill is an undeniably messy job, particularly when crude oil or tar balls are washing ashore in varying amounts in four states. The debris isn't classified as hazardous waste, so it can be placed in landfills that accept ordinary household garbage, including table scraps.

 

Yet Jerry Kidd, doing maintenance work at a condominium, couldn't believe it when he saw a Waste Management Inc. truck pull away from a collection site in Orange Beach piled with loose sand, oil-smeared protective gear and oily boom pulled out of the water. It was trailing pollution of its own.

 

The company says it is using 535 containers lined with what amount to huge black trash bags to collect debris from Mississippi, Alabama and part of the Florida Panhandle under a contract with BP. But not all of the bins really are lined, and liners have failed in others.

 

"They're going down the road leading to the landfill; they take the same route every day. They're leaking onto the roads, into the storm sewers," said Kidd. "There's no telling where it's going."

 

The Alabama Department of Public Health, which regulates the transportation of such wastes in the state, said it wasn't aware of the problem until contacted by AP.

 

"This needs to be taken care of, and get these things sealed tight," said Pres Allinder, director of environmental services for the department. "There's no point in collecting this stuff if they're just going to spread it around."

 

Waste Management is taking solid wastes from the three states to landfills in Vernon, Ala.; Pass Christian, Miss.; and Campbellton, Fla. Spokesman Ken Haldin said the company would be more careful, having drivers check bins for problems and possibly using a new type of liner, because of the AP findings.

 

"It is something we are going to be addressing," he said. "They're probably isolated situations, but we are still early in the process with all this work."

 

Despite problems, Haldin said Waste Management is trying to make sure oil spill contamination isn't spread inland.

 

"There are a whole set of steps we are taking to make sure this operation is safe," he said.

 

Liquid waste, such as oily water left from the cleaning of oil-blocking booms or the mix of oil and water picked up by skimmer boats in the Gulf, is handled separately. The oily residue is processed for sale where possible and the water is reused or injected underground.

 

The amount of waste being generated sounds staggering, but it's not unusual in the disposal business.

 

"This whole spill is going to be a drop in the bucket for its impact on landfills," said Vic Cullpepper, technical director at River Birch Landfill, near New Orleans. "A lot of people are trying to blow this up and say it's going to be a problem for landfills, but it's not."

 

BP says 761 tons of crude-contaminated waste already has been buried at the two landfills in Alabama and Florida. Some 13,100 cubic yards of oily waste have been buried in Louisiana, where the amount is being tallied by volume instead of weight.

 

Marlin Ladner, a supervisor with Harrison County, Miss., is angry about spill waste being buried in his coastal county, which still is trying to recover from Hurricane Katrina in 2005. The county could use the dumping fees from the disposal operations, he said, but there are too many uncertainties.

 

"I just don't think it's worth it," he said. "I just have a problem with BP, in effect, polluting our beaches, bays and estuaries and then turning around and hauling that stuff and dropping it just four or five miles from the coast here."

 

BP says no oily material will be sent to the Mississippi landfill.

 

___

 

Associated Press writer Melissa Nelson contributed to this report from Pensacola, Fla.

Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Early on in my career, someone told me that 95% of this job (envirnomental remediation) is perception. That being said, what kind of freakin' morons are in charge of this? Really, it's a dig and haul job with contaminated sands. You line every truck that carries waste materials. Each truck gets loaded on a pad where the driver and other technicians/operators can make sure the vehicle isn't tracking any debris off-site before it leaves. If you are using bins to hold materials, each one MUST be lined, and then if they are being stored for later removal they MUST be covered and protected from rain. In addition, they should be stored in an area with secondary containment so in case a liner fails or something else goes wrong, any escaping material will not enter into anyplace you don't want it to go (storm sewer, residential streets, etc.) Jumping Jesus on a pogostick, this is basic spill response 101! How in the hell did some of these people get their jobs? Just because it isn't classified as hazardous waste doesn't excuse half-assing it when your handling the material. You fail the perception part of the job initially, and you will be scrutinized every step of the way after that.

[SEC=UGA]

Early on in my career, someone told me that 95% of this job (envirnomental remediation) is perception. That being said, what kind of freakin' morons are in charge of this? Really, it's a dig and haul job with contaminated sands. You line every truck that carries waste materials. Each truck gets loaded on a pad where the driver and other technicians/operators can make sure the vehicle isn't tracking any debris off-site before it leaves. If you are using bins to hold materials, each one MUST be lined, and then if they are being stored for later removal they MUST be covered and protected from rain. In addition, they should be stored in an area with secondary containment so in case a liner fails or something else goes wrong, any escaping material will not enter into anyplace you don't want it to go (storm sewer, residential streets, etc.) Jumping Jesus on a pogostick, this is basic spill response 101! How in the hell did some of these people get their jobs? Just because it isn't classified as hazardous waste doesn't excuse half-assing it when your handling the material. You fail the perception part of the job initially, and you will be scrutinized every step of the way after that.

 

We're talking about Waste Management being the handler of this stuff. They're almost as morally bankrupt as BP.

[i_am_the_swammi]

Early on in my career, someone told me that 95% of this job (envirnomental remediation) is perception. That being said, what kind of freakin' morons are in charge of this? Really, it's a dig and haul job with contaminated sands. You line every truck that carries waste materials. Each truck gets loaded on a pad where the driver and other technicians/operators can make sure the vehicle isn't tracking any debris off-site before it leaves. If you are using bins to hold materials, each one MUST be lined, and then if they are being stored for later removal they MUST be covered and protected from rain. In addition, they should be stored in an area with secondary containment so in case a liner fails or something else goes wrong, any escaping material will not enter into anyplace you don't want it to go (storm sewer, residential streets, etc.) Jumping Jesus on a pogostick, this is basic spill response 101! How in the hell did some of these people get their jobs? Just because it isn't classified as hazardous waste doesn't excuse half-assing it when your handling the material. You fail the perception part of the job initially, and you will be scrutinized every step of the way after that.

 

+1

 

Unfortunately, when the government tried to slow the process down to ensure all safety measures were in place, they were roundly criticized as "preventing the cleanup", or "not accepting help when it was offered".

 

Now there are enviormental concerns with the cleanup....ironic, isn't it?

[rattsass]

+1

 

Unfortunately, when the government tried to slow the process down to ensure all safety measures were in place, they were roundly criticized as "preventing the cleanup", or "not accepting help when it was offered".

 

Now there are enviormental concerns with the cleanup....ironic, isn't it?

 

Yes, even though the administration has been on top of this thing since day one, they can't be expected to carry out an acceptable game plan, or to form one at all over the course of two months. It is simply too short an amount of time to effectively form commissions, play golf, and really think this thing through. Furthermore, people are forgetting that we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if it wasn't for Cheney. I suggest you direct all of your anger about this issue in his direction.

[SEC=UGA]

+1

 

Unfortunately, when the government tried to slow the process down to ensure all safety measures were in place, they were roundly criticized as "preventing the cleanup", or "not accepting help when it was offered".

 

Now there are enviormental concerns with the cleanup....ironic, isn't it?

 

Dude, seriously... It isn't like were talking about a huge amount of time being wasted here by the haulers of this material lining their truck beds with the proper liners, or them putting the appropriate covers over storage containers.

 

Also, the reasons for them "not accepting help" is idiotic. It isn't as if the skimmers from Norway or the booms from the Dutch were any different from what we use here in the US and could have been easily deployed quite a bit more quickly if the Admin had not have been adhering to arcane regulations relating to foreign shipping in US waters.

 

Not just that, but the Coast Guard had been pulling skimmers off line for 24+ hours to do safety checks for freaking life jackets and fire extinguishers, 24+ hours... And btw, they never actually got around to inspecting many of these.

 

It has been 60+ days since the rig collapsed and oil started flowing, it has been a couple of weeks that oil has been on the shore, are you seriously telling me that the government hasn't had enough time to put in place safety measures? It isn't like we wanted them to arbitrarily jump the gun and start doing things tha may be hazardous, but it has been well over 60+ days and these issues continue to exist and no good solution has come about.

 

I know we hate playing this game, but, with all the diaper dirt that people gave Bush in regard to the Katrina response, you don't think that an administration that has had 60+ days to handle this disaster and the coordination for clean up should be roundly criticized for not having more control over the situation than they do?

[i_am_the_swammi]

Yes, I am losing my mind, and can't even formulate a post without soundling like a complete and utter worry wartbag. Further, my mindless rantings will likely cost my employer some viewers and potentially some revenue, as I know for sure there is at least one Tailgate poster that isn't going to re-up his membership as long as The Huddle employs psychotic authors who make a mockery out of their public forums on what is supposed to be one of the best fantasy football sites in the nation

 

fixed

Edited June 24, 2010 by i_am_the_swammi

[evil_gop_liars]

+1

 

Unfortunately, when the government tried to slow the process down to ensure all safety measures were in place, they were roundly criticized as "preventing the cleanup", or "not accepting help when it was offered".

 

Now there are enviormental concerns with the cleanup....ironic, isn't it?

 

Is it possible the President can draw up a hold harmless agreement and tell the southern states go ahead do what you want, stuff baby manatees down the hole for all I care just don't expect the fed gov to pay your legal bills.

 

People act as if lawyers were never invented.

[rattsass]

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Would you like me to stick around to give you someone to fight with rather than address other posters that have foolishly disagreed with your post? We're all in this together. I'm here for you, with a shield in one hand and a qwerty in the other.

[bushwacked]

To make it a bit clearer - he is saying you are a doushe.

 

Who are you and why do you keep following me around like Zekje?

[i_am_the_swammi]

Would you like me to stick around to give you someone to fight with rather than address other posters that have foolishly disagreed with your post? We're all in this together. I'm here for you, with a shield in one hand and a qwerty in the other.

 

No, I'd like for you to continute to take my , so at some point your employer will , at which point they will realize your writings here are and .

 

Seriously dude, your opinion is as worthwhile as anyone elses...but you are perilously close to the deep end with your 2-day sarcastic rants. it really doesn't show well on you or the site you represent. Take some time away ot figure things out and give it some real thought..you'll probably feel better.

[Perchoutofwater]

Dude, seriously... It isn't like were talking about a huge amount of time being wasted here by the haulers of this material lining their truck beds with the proper liners, or them putting the appropriate covers over storage containers.

 

Also, the reasons for them "not accepting help" is idiotic. It isn't as if the skimmers from Norway or the booms from the Dutch were any different from what we use here in the US and could have been easily deployed quite a bit more quickly if the Admin had not have been adhering to arcane regulations relating to foreign shipping in US waters.

 

Not just that, but the Coast Guard had been pulling skimmers off line for 24+ hours to do safety checks for freaking life jackets and fire extinguishers, 24+ hours... And btw, they never actually got around to inspecting many of these.

 

It has been 60+ days since the rig collapsed and oil started flowing, it has been a couple of weeks that oil has been on the shore, are you seriously telling me that the government hasn't had enough time to put in place safety measures? It isn't like we wanted them to arbitrarily jump the gun and start doing things tha may be hazardous, but it has been well over 60+ days and these issues continue to exist and no good solution has come about.

 

I know we hate playing this game, but, with all the diaper dirt that people gave Bush in regard to the Katrina response, you don't think that an administration that has had 60+ days to handle this disaster and the coordination for clean up should be roundly criticized for not having more control over the situation than they do?

 

And there you have it. This is poor planning and response, where there was plenty of time to take the protective measures that would not have delayed anything.

[rattsass]

No, I'd like for you to continute to take my , so at some point your employer will , at which point they will realize your writings here are and .

 

Seriously dude, your opinion is as worthwhile as anyone elses...but you are perilously close to the deep end with your 2-day sarcastic rants. it really doesn't show well on you or the site you represent. Take some time away ot figure things out and give it some real thought..you'll probably feel better.

I have nothing left to figure out. I have accepted Obama as my savior and I have turned my life over to him. I thought the rest of you would be happy for me in my decision. I am really fustrated with all the anger. Excuse me now, I need to go read some books on threats, diversion, and name calling as debate tactics. I am WAAAAY behind the curve here and afraid I am quite out-classed.

Edited June 24, 2010 by rattsass

[Kid Cid]

fixed

Over the line.

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and given some of the filth spewed forth by almost everyone in the Tailgate, his postings are not out of control. You don't have to read his stuff, but there is no reason to personally attack the dude.

[SEC=UGA]

Over the line.

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and given some of the filth spewed forth by almost everyone in the Tailgate, his postings are not out of control. You don't have to read his stuff, but there is no reason to personally attack the dude.

 

 

To everything - turn, turn, turn

There is a season - turn, turn, turn

And a time for every purpose under heaven

 

A time to be born, a time to die

A time to plant, a time to reap

A time to kill, a time to heal

A time to laugh, a time to weep

 

To everything - turn, turn, turn

There is a season - turn, turn, turn

And a time for every purpose under heaven

 

A time to build up, a time to break down

A time to dance, a time to mourn

A time to cast away stones

A time to gather stones together

 

To everything - turn, turn, turn

There is a season - turn, turn, turn

And a time for every purpose under heaven

 

A time of war, a time of peace

A time of love, a time of hate

A time you may embrace

A time to refrain from embracing

[Avernus]

looks like swammi wanted to throw a grenade, but let it slip through his fingers...

[i_am_the_swammi]

looks like swammi wanted to throw a grenade, but let it slip through his fingers...

 

Not really. At least guys like Perch and yourself, while we can debate and disagree, present your arguments in a fashion representative of what made this site what it is: a great exchange of ideas and thoughts from all kinds of people, from all kinds of places. Its pretty frustrating to come to the TG and see every single thread dominated by political rantings, even if the topic of the thread is not political in nature. There was a time when DMD outlawed political discussions, and many here wondered why that was so. His reasoning is now crystal clear.

 

the stuff being spewed within this thread and others borders on pathetic, and to come from someone associated with the site takes it down even a few more levels.

 

I've said my peace, and if you think, based on your metaphor, its blown up in my face, then so be it.

[peepinmofo]

http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf...-the-oil-spill/

 

A town hall community meeting of sorts occurred Wednesday afternoon at R Beach Restaurant in Hernando County. To a crowd of approximately 30 people, marine biologist Dr. Riki Ott (pictured right) spoke with residents and fishermen about the oil spill crisis.

 

Ott spoke about her experiences with the Exxon Mobil Valdez spill and related her learned knowledge to this new oil spill disaster going on in the gulf.

 

“This is a mini exercise in common sense. You are going to hear stuff that is not going to make sense. If it doesn’t make sense, don’t believe it,” Ott said. “I’ve never seen so many PhD scientists sell out to Exxon. There were contracts on the whole west coast.”

 

Ott traveled to Hernando to speak with the local fishermen and residents because of Kathryn Birren, who is a spokeswomen for the local seafood businesses in the area. Birren has a personal tie to the industry; her husband and family are second-generation fishermen. To them, fishing is a way of life and this oil spill has created a halt in their lives.

 

“This is affecting all of us. We are all a part of this,” Birren said.

 

An unnamed fisherman from Aripeka said that he’s been seeing deepwater fish swimming into the more shallow waters. He also said that he has been seeing turtles and dolphins he normally wouldn’t see. He relates this all to the oil spill that is starting to encroach onto our shores.

 

Regional Director for Senator Bill Nelson, Shahra Anderson, also spoke briefly to the crowd about what Senator Nelson is doing to try and lessen the impact on our gulf shores. Anderson said that as of Tuesday, FEMA has prepared an evacuation plan for Floridians should the spill continue to come downward to the bay area’s shores.

 

Anderson also said that anyone with concerns or comments should to contact Sen. Nelson’s office.

 

A topic heavily discussed by Ott was the health side effects from the oil spill. She said that everyone should take extra care of themselves with dietary supplements if they are exposed to the oil, whether it is through direct contact or from the air. Ott said that symptoms associated with exposure include: headaches, nausea, dizziness, skin rashes and blisters on skin that had direct contact.

Ott also talked about money that was raised to purchase respirators for BP workers but when BP had found out about it, they threatened workers with their jobs if they wore them.

 

“It’s because the oil companies don’t want oil declared a hazardous substance,” she said. “I don’t think the industry wants the stigma of respirators.”

 

Ott said that OSHA didn’t require workers to wear respirators. When she had found out about this, Ott wrote a letter to them and a week later OSHA changed the policy and now they have become required.

 

Pat Saisi and Maureen Scully, both 64 and retired, were also at the meeting. Both of them live in Weeki Wachee and feel that the oil spill is affecting more than just the fishing industry.

 

“It’s not just the fishermen. It’s everyone,” Scully said. “It my not affect us personally, but it affects those we love.”

 

“To just to sit back and see this is going to affect Florida, this is going to affect all of the gulf states, it will affect the entire national economy eventually,” Saisi said. “It’s going to trickle down to everything. Every time I see something about it, I just feel so incredibly impotent. “

 

Steve Reis, 43, a Tarpon Springs resident who owns a wholesale fish house and a restaurant. Reis credits Ott with local fishermen banding together to help one another during this hard time.

 

“This is family. This is a family operation. The perception is the biggest fight we have right now. The perception is that every fish coming from the gulf is bad,” Reis said.

 

A friend also just told me the following... Take it for what it is, but day-um.

 

Due to methane and toxic rain containing the poisonous Corexit oil dispersant, plans are in place for the mass evacuation of New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Mandeville, Hammond, Houma, Belle Chase, Chalmette, Slidell, Biloxi, Gulfport, Pensacola, Hattiesburg, Mobile, Bay Minette, Fort Walton Beach, Panama City, Crestview, and Pascagoula.

[rattsass]

Not really. At least guys like Perch and yourself, while we can debate and disagree, present your arguments in a fashion representative of what made this site what it is: a great exchange of ideas and thoughts from all kinds of people, from all kinds of places. Its pretty frustrating to come to the TG and see every single thread dominated by political rantings, even if the topic of the thread is not political in nature. There was a time when DMD outlawed political discussions, and many here wondered why that was so. His reasoning is now crystal clear.

 

the stuff being spewed within this thread and others borders on pathetic, and to come from someone associated with the site takes it down even a few more levels.

 

I've said my peace, and if you think, based on your metaphor, its blown up in my face, then so be it.

Please send me your guidelines for proper Huddle etiquette, including the different standards I should be held to in comparison with other posters. Please send me the list of subjects which I may or may not speak on. You have to be patient with me. I recently left a radical ideology that believed in free speech. It is going to take me awhile to get in line with the whole censorship thing. But I'm willing to learn. Anything that will help me improve my personal relationship with Obama, I am all for it.

[Pope Flick]

Please send me your guidelines for proper Huddle etiquette, including the different standards I should be held to in comparison with other posters. Please send me the list of subjects which I may or may not speak on. You have to be patient with me. I recently left a radical ideology that believed in free speech. It is going to take me awhile to get in line with the whole censorship thing. But I'm willing to learn. Anything that will help me improve my personal relationship with Obama, I am all for it.

 

 

 

Or you could handle yourself like an adult and get rid of the perception you are an attention seeking jack ass.

[Perchoutofwater]

Wife said the first tar balls started washing up on shore in Sand Destin. The beaches are still open, but the caution flag is out.

[rajncajn]

A friend also just told me the following... Take it for what it is, but day-um.

 

Due to methane and toxic rain containing the poisonous Corexit oil dispersant, plans are in place for the mass evacuation of New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Mandeville, Hammond, Houma, Belle Chase, Chalmette, Slidell, Biloxi, Gulfport, Pensacola, Hattiesburg, Mobile, Bay Minette, Fort Walton Beach, Panama City, Crestview, and Pascagoula.

I'm far from being an expert, but I find that extremely difficult to believe. Where did he get this information from?

[bushwacked]

Where did he get this information from?

 

Ratass.