Delicious_bass Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I'm surprised by the responses here. 22 minutes after the trade was proposed, the value of a player involved in the deal changed DRAMATICALLY. That isn't fair and like someone has stated here, not everyone is in front of a computer 24/7 to pull the trade. If CJ was involved in a trade proposal and was involved in a car crash 15 minutes after it was proposed and it was deemed he'd be out for the season, wouldn't that trade offer be unfair? Value has changed dramatically, shortly after the trade was proposed, and the person who accepted it used that to their advantage. Now you're getting into perceived value and "fairness" and that can be an extremely slippery slope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Now you're getting into perceived value and "fairness" and that can be an extremely slippery slope. Oh c'mon! Are you really willing to argue that Lynch's value didn't go up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 Now you're getting into perceived value and "fairness" and that can be an extremely slippery slope. Sure it's a slippery slope but do you not agree something dramatically changed via the complexion of the trade 22 minutes after it was proposed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Oh c'mon! Are you really willing to argue that Lynch's value didn't go up? His perceived value has. There is no guarantee of what he'll do on the field. Its extremely likely he'll be a better fantasy player now, but (again) no guarantees. We dont really know what any of the players involved will do and that's why its dangerous to start over-turning things based on what is thought to happen. Propose trades at your own risk and live with the results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 His perceived value has. There is no guarantee of what he'll do on the field. Its extremely likely he'll be a better fantasy player now, but (again) no guarantees. We dont really know what any of the players involved will do and that's why its dangerous to start over-turning things based on what is thought to happen. Propose trades at your own risk and live with the results All true, but my point was that it is clear to everyone involved that Lynch's value changed dramatically, while Hernandez' value is open to considerable debate. Besides, Hernandez' value was possibly affected AFTER the trade was accepted, and Lynch's was changed BEFORE the deal was completed. Again, big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle2003 Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Forsett is not Chris Johnson first of all. He has done little to nothing this year and was involved in a RBBC in Seattle. He is still involved in a RBBC since the Seahawks let Jones go. What is the problem? You don't know how they will use him going forward. His value changed VERY LITTLE. The trade should stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 how about this, you tell us the response that you want and we'll give it as you clearly didn't get it from your FBG thread either FBG thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 FBG thread? There's an identical thread over on that other board. If it's not you, it's someone else from your league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbimm Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 found myself in the same situation, but the deal was proposed and accepted via personal message, not even at league site, but i had said it was a deal, so its a deal. bad form to back out of a deal you agreed to. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 There's an identical thread over on that other board. If it's not you, it's someone else from your league. Link please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 how about this, you tell us the response that you want and we'll give it as you clearly didn't get it from your FBG thread either You don't have to be an a** about it because you're assuming it was me in the other forum and I've never been there so please shut it. If you don't want to say anything, then don't, ok? No one asked you to regulate the forums and be an a** about people's questions/opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 (edited) how about this, you tell us the response that you want and we'll give it as you clearly didn't get it from your FBG thread either There's an identical thread over on that other board. If it's not you, it's someone else from your league. You two-timers. How can you do this to DMD? Edited October 6, 2010 by cre8tiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 just for a slightly different view...the Seahawks average the 27th fewest rushing yards/game 79.5 and are 23rd in YPC (3.6)...if you are an owner that is trading for Forsett you have to realize that there is risk involved...could be him losing carries to another back or a possible trade to solidify the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 what about the fact that Hernandez's value went up? What if Lynch gets arrested before he even arrives in SEA? Do you re-reverse the trade? how the hell does this matter? only thing that matters is if the person who proposed the trade under one factual scenario still wants it to go through with the drastic change in circumstance. if he thinks hernandez' value went up significantly, then maybe he still wants to do the deal. but it doesn't sound like that is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 (edited) Not the job of the commissioner to ensure that nothing has changed between when a trade is proposed and accepted - that is the purview of the individual owners involved. This is just a case of bad timing. Were I the owner sending Forsett I personally would handle it differently, largely because I try to make trades where both parties feel like they benefited. Makes it easier to trade with the same owner in the future. So in this situation I would have allowed the other owner to back out. As a commissioner I would not take any action to reverse the trade. Edited October 6, 2010 by Grits and Shins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Trade should stand for a few reasons: 1 - I'm guessing this is the case is that there are any number of ways to propose and accept a trade, not just via the website. If not, you should look into that. 2 - Bad timing sucks, but that's life. I mean really, if the accepting owner doesn't want a do over then that's that. You only open a door to a slippery slope in the future if someone steps in and tries to have it undone. Clearly you play in a sane league that doesn't require owner trade approval outside the trading parties so there's really no way to go with this other than let it stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I think we are all missing the point here........... Instead of viewing the trade, let's put a little emphasis on the dick that would.......... See a trade proposed......... Sit around for awhile, not really feeling the deal......... Turn on ESPN and see the news........... Jump on his 'puter, like it's his dog on prom night......... Then knowingly screw another owner........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkirc Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 The commish needs to follow the league rules. According to the league rules, when can a commish veto a trade? If is is just in cases of collusion, then this trade has to stand. I would never trade with the guy who took advantage of the situation and may not ask him back next year, but you can't just make up rules in the middle of a season. All the debate about the players values going up and down is worthless. The trade was proposed and it was acepted. End of story. The commish needs to rule on this and end all the drama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 (edited) I think we are all missing the point here........... Instead of viewing the trade, let's put a little emphasis on the dick that would.......... See a trade proposed......... Sit around for awhile, not really feeling the deal......... Turn on ESPN and see the news........... Jump on his 'puter, like it's his dog on prom night......... Then knowingly screw another owner........... From goopster Proposed by Grenade Extraction (Jonathan Ede), Oct 5, 2:05 PM ETAccepted by Team Shiffman, Oct 5, 2:54 PM ET You can argue he may be a dink, but it aint like he sat around for days and then jumped at it. Was less than an hour. And even if it was days, doesnt really matter. Both seller and buyer need to be aware in a trade. Edited October 6, 2010 by Delicious_bass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I think we are all missing the point here........... Instead of viewing the trade, let's put a little emphasis on the dick that would.......... See a trade proposed......... Sit around for awhile, not really feeling the deal......... Turn on ESPN and see the news........... Jump on his 'puter, like it's his dog on prom night......... Then knowingly screw another owner........... No doubt one owner is acting like an ass. Unfortunately it is not the job of the commissioner to make sure all trades happen in a timely fashion and before something changes that impacts the balance of the trade. This is the risk owners take when they don't pick up the phone and talk thru the trade with the other owner ... throwing a trade out there in cyberspace waiting for the other owner to see/react to the trade. The way to do the trade is to converse with the other guy, agree to the trade AND THEN consummate it on the league website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I see no issue with this. Would I accept the offer the way the dude at issue did? No, but I couldn't be too upset if I were on the other end and someone else accepted - it was my risk and my risk alone to make the offer. This is exactly why I rarely propose trades before I've had email discussions with the person on the other side of the table first. I don't leave trades hanging out there like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 No doubt one owner is acting like an ass. Unfortunately it is not the job of the commissioner to make sure all trades happen in a timely fashion and before something changes that impacts the balance of the trade. This is the risk owners take when they don't pick up the phone and talk thru the trade with the other owner ... throwing a trade out there in cyberspace waiting for the other owner to see/react to the trade. The way to do the trade is to converse with the other guy, agree to the trade AND THEN consummate it on the league website. I agree. It's important to have rules in place fellas !! I love the idea of accepting a deal on MFL, then consummating it on the forums or message board. We have all sent out trade offers, and accidentally let them stand and sometimes forget about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 not that it matters but how do we know that the cat that accepted the trade even knew that Lynch was traded (i didnt read the entire thread if that info has been posted) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I agree. It's important to have rules in place fellas !! I love the idea of accepting a deal on MFL, then consummating it on the forums or message board. We have all sent out trade offers, and accidentally let them stand and sometimes forget about them. Backwards. Accept the deal in principle and then consummate it on the league site. Once its processed on the site, it should not be undone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron2112 Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 (edited) possession in 9/10's of the law... Edited October 6, 2010 by byron2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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