SEC=UGA Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Is that fellow really a grad student at Columbia? I wonder in what discipline? From the looks of his hat, 1980's urban dance. I would be willing to bet there are a bunch of younger protesters there that are sitting on 5 figure bank accounts and 7 figure trust funds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I would be willing to bet there are a bunch of younger protesters there that are sitting on 5 figure bank accounts and 7 figure trust funds. Is there some monetary number that automatically forces one to be a Republican slave to the conglomerates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Is there some monetary number that automatically forces one to be a Republican slave to the conglomerates? 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Is there some monetary number that automatically forces one to be a Republican slave to the conglomerates? Only if they're multi-national. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 A quote from Eric Cantor about support for OWS, now that he's backtracked from his original comment of "growing mobs": “Where I’m most concerned, is we have elected leaders in this town who, frankly, are joining in an effort to blame others rather than focusing on the policies that have brought about the current situation,” he told host Chris Wallace. Uh, Eric, it's precisely the policies that OWS is most focused on, you idiot. The policy of always setting policy to benefit Wall Street and those with big money versus the vast majority of Americans. The policies you and the rest of the so-called elected governments have put in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Bank failure fleecer and Texas Repub candidate says protests need to stop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyGal2011 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 In the minds of likely voters, Washington, not Wall Street, is primarily to blame for the financial crisis and the subsequent recession. That is the key finding of this week’s The Hill poll, which comes as the national Occupy Wall Street movement — a protest that objects to risky practices and excessive salaries at major banks, along with American income disparities in general — enters its second month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) I wonder if they are at all? Edited October 17, 2011 by Savage Beatings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 A quote from Eric Cantor about support for OWS, now that he's backtracked from his original comment of "growing mobs": Uh, Eric, it's precisely the policies that OWS is most focused on, you idiot. The policy of always setting policy to benefit Wall Street and those with big money versus the vast majority of Americans. The policies you and the rest of the so-called elected governments have put in place. How can you state the above when roughly 50% of the annual budget is directly targeted to things such as social security, medicare, medicaid, "wlefare"/entitlement programs, etc...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 How can you state the above when roughly 50% of the annual budget is directly targeted to things such as social security, medicare, medicaid, "wlefare"/entitlement programs, etc...? Because they were enacted about half a century ago, maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 these folks are a confused bunch... On Oct. 10 and 11, Arielle Alter Confino, a senior researcher at my polling firm, interviewed nearly 200 protesters in New York's Zuccotti Park. Our findings probably represent the first systematic random sample of Occupy Wall Street opinion. Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda. The vast majority of demonstrators are actually employed, and the proportion of protesters unemployed (15%) is within single digits of the national unemployment rate (9.1%). An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008. Now 51% disapprove of the president while 44% approve, and only 48% say they will vote to re-elect him in 2012, while at least a quarter won't vote. Fewer than one in three (32%) call themselves Democrats, while roughly the same proportion (33%) say they aren't represented by any political party. What binds a large majority of the protesters together—regardless of age, socioeconomic status or education—is a deep commitment to left-wing policies: opposition to free-market capitalism and support for radical redistribution of wealth, intense regulation of the private sector, and protectionist policies to keep American jobs from going overseas. Sixty-five percent say that government has a moral responsibility to guarantee all citizens access to affordable health care, a college education, and a secure retirement—no matter the cost. By a large margin (77%-22%), they support raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans, but 58% oppose raising taxes for everybody, with only 36% in favor. And by a close margin, protesters are divided on whether the bank bailouts were necessary (49%) or unnecessary (51%). but at least wiegie finally has his reasonable logical framework to get behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 these folks are a confused bunch... but at least wiegie finally has his reasonable logical framework to get behind. Nevertheless, I think this (bolded) is largely true: "the protests you're seeing are the same conversations people are having in living rooms and kitchens all across America. . . . People are frustrated by an economy that does not reward hard work and responsibility, where Wall Street and Main Street don't seem to play by the same set of rules." Nancy Pelosi and others have echoed the message. Notable that the survey size was 200 and conducted on a Monday / Tuesday, when it is reasonable to expect that a large proportion of the OWS people present would be semi-professional activists as the large body of OWS sympathizers would be at work - or trying to find some. The argument presented here is the same argument that tries to pin racism on every Tea Party member when one makes a racist remark. It in no way reflects the reality of what most of us think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirehairman Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Ok, which huddler . . . Hot Chicks of Occupy Wall Street (Mildly NSFW) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Ok, which huddler . . . Hot Chicks of Occupy Wall Street (Mildly NSFW) CowboyGal2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Nevertheless, I think this (bolded) is largely true:"the protests you're seeing are the same conversations people are having in living rooms and kitchens all across America. . . . People are frustrated by an economy that does not reward hard work and responsibility, where Wall Street and Main Street don't seem to play by the same set of rules." Nancy Pelosi and others have echoed the message. and the cronyist dirigism favored by the left is a better way of achieving this than the free market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 and the cronyist dirigism favored by the left is a better way of achieving this than the free market? Nope. Once again, for the nth time, if capitalism is to succeed it must succeed for the maximum possible number. Right now - and pretty much ever since the onset of trickle down - it has been succeeding for an increasingly small number at the expense of an increasingly large number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Nope. Once again, for the nth time, if capitalism is to succeed it must succeed for the maximum possible number. Right now - and pretty much ever since the onset of trickle down - it has been succeeding for an increasingly small number at the expense of an increasingly large number. winner winner gruel dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Nope. Once again, for the nth time, if capitalism is to succeed it must succeed for the maximum possible number. Right now - and pretty much ever since the onset of trickle down - it has been succeeding for an increasingly small number at the expense of an increasingly large number. and again I ask, the cronyist dirigism favored by the left is a better way of achieving this (the greatest good for the greatest number) than the free market? the gaping flaw in your argument is in the words "at the expense of". this is a causality you will never be able to demonstrate, because it doesn't exist. Edited October 18, 2011 by Azazello1313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 When are these hippies going to start burning things? We need to set something on fire already. But they are right. Capitalism and our entire economic system is a complete and total failure. No way in hell can anyone compete with companies that get bailed out whenever they screw up. The profits are theirs and the losses are ours. And the politicians see to it as long as the money keeps rolling into their campaigns. It's time to start burning things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyGal2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Sanchez: What did you get a degree in? Legers: History, from Ohio University. Sanchez: What do you do with a degree in history? Legers: With a Bachelor's? Nothing. I can't do anything with this. Sanchez: Kate is over $22,000 in debt, which is close to the average debt burden nationally for graduates with a four-year degree from a public institution. But are Wall Street, the banks and corporate greed the blame for your not having a job, I ask. Yes, says Kate, and lots more. The way she and [her friend] Greg see it, colleges are nothing more than training and recruiting grounds for the Wall Street banks and hedge funds that caused the financial crisis and are to blame for the growing inequality in the United States. And that, says Kate, is why she's here demonstrating. Personal responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Personal responsibility. Is Kate hawt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Capitalism and our entire economic system is a complete and total failure. No way in hell can anyone compete with companies that get bailed out whenever they screw up. The profits are theirs and the losses are ours. that's our economic system, but it's not "capitalism". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 that's our economic system, but it's not "capitalism". that much is true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyGal2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Occupy Wall Street protesters said yesterday that packs of brazen crooks within their ranks have been robbing their fellow demonstrators blind, making off with pricey cameras, phones and laptops -- and even a hefty bundle of donated cash and food. “Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale. “I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!” Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhatt...K#ixzz1bAVq7pT8 So young... so dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhatt...K#ixzz1bAVq7pT8 So young... so dumb. hey, someone needs to tell those kids that quaint, bourgeois notions of "property rights" are the tool of the corporatist debbil. Edited October 18, 2011 by Azazello1313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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