Ursa Majoris Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I guess I don't completely understand how being mad at the top 1% being a form of plutocracy and manipulating the economy at the expense of the middle class is necessarily a "liberal" topic. I mean didn't the tea party start out after TARP. Isn't this something similar? These people are mad that the government decided to choose who to bail out as they decided to back the people who prop up the elected officials with campaign contributions at the expense of the majority of Americans. I think far too many are trying to drink their specific flavor of kool aid instead of actually becoming informed on the topic. I found this to be a reasonable response to the "not the 99%" picture I see on my facebook page constantly. Angry at Wallstreet getting bailed out while they are allowed to play high risk games that basically come down to "Heads they win, tails American's lose" is far from some radical idea that only far left hippies are on board with. This is exactly the point. This isn't a liberal vs conservative issue at all. I said before that the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street really aren't that divergent in their contempt for power, it's just that each is aiming at one half of the power - the opposite half to the other one. The fanatical defense of a plutocratic oligarchy by a number of people in here is mind boggling. It can only mean that the oligarchy has already won, since we seem to despise each other more than we despise them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyGal2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Panini and Company Cafe normally sells sandwiches to tourists in Lower Manhattan and the residents nearby, but in recent days its owner, Stacey Tzortzatos, has also become something of a restroom monitor. She is being harrassed, boycotted and basically shut down by the Operation Wall Street protesters. They want to use her bathrooms and have her deposit their "poop-bags" and when she refuses, they spit on her, yell at her and will not leave. They try to sleep in her restaurant and use her power outlets but do not buy anything. Poland Springs will not resupply her bottled water needs because they cannot access the store and her normal customers will not venture down there because of the stench. And Mayor Bloomberg refuses to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) If you mean into the realm of personal accountability, then you are correct. You should try it. It feels good to be accountable for your own well being instead of relying on someone else's hard work to make your life better. Are you suggesting that he relies on somebody else's hard work? I just want to make sure you are being held accountable for your statements. Edited October 15, 2011 by Duchess Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyGal2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 The People of Occupy Wall Street - like the people of Wal-Mart, only not as smart Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-...l#ixzz1anEuiPii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 This is exactly the point. This isn't a liberal vs conservative issue at all. I said before that the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street really aren't that divergent in their contempt for power, it's just that each is aiming at one half of the power - the opposite half to the other one. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 This. Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Both the Left and the Right believe that we have major problems. That's not where the differences lay. It is in the proposed solutions that we see the major incompatible differences between the Left and the Right. How could that not be crystal clear to everyone watching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosberg34 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Both the Left and the Right believe that we have major problems. That's not where the differences lay. It is in the proposed solutions that we see the major incompatible differences between the Left and the Right. How could that not be crystal clear to everyone watching? This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I applaud the effort and say "its about god damned time". This country is going down the pooper faster than most realize. Eye's wide shut. Good to see some have woken up and are pretty damned pist off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 This is exactly the point. This isn't a liberal vs conservative issue at all. I said before that the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street really aren't that divergent in their contempt for power, it's just that each is aiming at one half of the power - the opposite half to the other one. The fanatical defense of a plutocratic oligarchy by a number of people in here is mind boggling. It can only mean that the oligarchy has already won, since we seem to despise each other more than we despise them. It is as if the use of degrading and inflamed rhetoric leaves residual bad feelings impeding communication. That is why I respect your approach in generally keeping things straightforward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 This. Hey a Venn Diagram. I just had to help my kid make one to show the difference between chemical weathering and mechanical weathering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 This. Yup indeed. I think the tea party movement (sans the repub hijackers) is better directed. If elections are still indeed genuine, changing enough politicians will change things ( ) faster than appealing to the conscience of CEOs and corporations. If we want to really make our voices heard - vote everybody out and stop buying goods and services from companies you have heatburn over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 15, 2011 Author Share Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) White shirt NY cop punches out a girl. Please explain this one cowboygal. ! Edited October 15, 2011 by WaterMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosberg34 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 White shirt NY cop punches out a girl. Please explain this one cowboygal. ! You mess with the bull you get the horns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 It shouldn't suprise anyone here, where a couple posters here are taking their lead from. Tell me how to think Rush and I will spread the word! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 This. i love venn diagrams that are simple and true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 i love venn diagrams that are simple and true. I was going to draw two circles and see where they overlapped - one circle would be people who whine about what Walker did because it directly impacted them but used the excuse of it being about the kids and another circle for Wisconsin teachers but then realized I only needed one circle. I love venn diagrams that are simple and true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 15, 2011 Author Share Posted October 15, 2011 We could also draw a Venn diagram for Repubs and Dems. In the middle would be "both bought by lobbyists for corporations" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 This is exactly the point. This isn't a liberal vs conservative issue at all. I said before that the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street really aren't that divergent in their contempt for power, it's just that each is aiming at one half of the power - the opposite half to the other one. The fanatical defense of a plutocratic oligarchy by a number of people in here is mind boggling. It can only mean that the oligarchy has already won, since we seem to despise each other more than we despise them. There is a good deal of truth in what you've written. I've been following this thread for some time and I believe this to be the most spot-on comment I've read, it describes our current state quite well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyGal2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 There is a good deal of truth in what you've written. I've been following this thread for some time and I believe this to be the most spot-on comment I've read, it describes our current state quite well. Right, so instead of sitting at the capital, or marching on big lobbiest... these people occupy a private park, and ruin the day to day business of people who live and do business around that park? Your boy is the POTUS, your boys creating the fannie and freddie mess, your boys made us 14+ trillion in debt. Who is you boogieman? The 2009-10 congress? That was you. The problem is spending. Worry about yourself. What do you care what someone else's income is? Self reliance. Grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Pretty much what I mean. I doubt there will be any notice taken of the protestors until things turn violent. For sure neither political party wants to make any real attempt to really go after the turds that brought us to where we are now. In some countries, they'd have either been shot out of hand or be wearing prison stripes. Here they get to carry on as if nothing happened, even carry on bribing politicians not to stop them. That's the root of this protest - sheer disgust. It's just coming from a different angle at the same disgust the Tea Party feel. Occupy Wall Street see a tiny minority forging ahead at the expense of every other Jack and blame the bribers, the Tea Party see a compliant government and blame the bribees. Well said!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 15, 2011 Author Share Posted October 15, 2011 Right, so instead of sitting at the capital, or marching on big lobbiest... these people occupy a private park, and ruin the day to day business of people who live and do business around that park? Your boy is the POTUS, your boys creating the fannie and freddie mess, your boys made us 14+ trillion in debt. Who is you boogieman? The 2009-10 congress? That was you. The problem is spending. Worry about yourself. What do you care what someone else's income is? Self reliance. Grow up. There are just a small amount of people who care about the millions of recently lost or sent jobs to other countries. Some people question why we spent so much money killing two Arabs. One being a boogyman himself. Have you ever seen the Iraqii airforce? Some question why the richest country in the world can't provide healthcare like other peaceful nations. That must be where the spending is coming in. We spend more money on our military than 4 or 5 countries below us combined, if not more, so I guess that leaves no money for doctor visits. A few people who aren't shareholders question why we gave so much money to corporations that couldn't understand this self reliance you are referring too, while these guys paid less in taxes than teenagers working at McDonald's over the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 We spend more money on our military than 4 or 5 countries below us combined, if not more We actually spend more on defense than the 30 countries below us combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 We actually spend more on defense than the 30 countries below us combined. If my math is correct, and it rarely is, that is a slight exageration. Looks closer to the 24 countries below us combined. Not that your point or observation is any less salient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 15, 2011 Author Share Posted October 15, 2011 I thought a nation under God's protection wouldn't need to spend money on defense as if they were about to be attacked by God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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