rajncajn Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 hmm, rajn says he's not whining about the saints being treated unfairly because "everyone else was doing it". yet every single post of his seems to be exactly to that effect. so I guess he's right and I do have some sort of reading problem. What about this sentence do you not understand? As for the Saints penalties, I think they deserve every bit of it. I think the penalty against Payton in particular is excessive of the crime, but hey, he IS considered ultimately responsible so I guess it can be justified in that respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Looks like the Saints privately plan to appeal, though I seriously doubt it will go anywhere. Publicly, the team issued a docile apology; privately, a league source close to the situation said appeals are coming and said no attempt would be made to unscramble the coaching picture until those appeals are exhausted. The NFL acknowledged the coaches and executives do have the right to appeal, but in this case, that path leads right back to Goodell's door. Saints owner Tom Benson remains unswerving in his support for all of his suspended lieutenants, according to a league source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice1 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) Looks like the Saints privately plan to appeal, though I seriously doubt it will go anywhere. They may appeal but I also doubt this goes anywhere. Given the cover up, the suspension length seem appropriate. Winning without honor, trying to injure players is a huge part but equally as bad is covering up the practice over the course of the investigation. No longer will players be able to think the Commish is simply in the owners pockets. He brought out the Big Stick and the punishment was justified. I imagine player fines and suspensions will be harsh but probably not more than 2-4 games with the possible exceptions of the defensive captains. Vilma may get up to 8 games but time will tell. Sucks for Saints Fans but the league is clear that the obvious practice of dirty play for profit must stop. Edited March 22, 2012 by Ice1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) Payton could try to mitigate the damages by sending a text to Goodell telling him he's the man and he's sorry followed by HUGS! and KISSES! Edited March 22, 2012 by CaP'N GRuNGe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricrelish Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) Winning without honor, trying to injure players is a huge part but equally as bad is covering up the practice over the course of the investigation. This is one of the more honest jabs that I've read, and I guess it kinda of rings true. I'm guessing if this were the NCAA, the last few seasons' wins might be removed. Edited March 22, 2012 by electricrelish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 This punishment has more to do with the way the Saints handled the whole situation after the NFL told them to stop. Which, and I'm speculating here, takes care of the "everyone else is doing it" argument. Because the NFL telling them to stop is basically the NFL saying: "Look, we know other teams have done this. We are trying to put an end to this type of behavior. You're not the only ones we are telling to end this type of thing." If the Saints stop it then, we never reach this point. Moral of the story: when the NFL tells you to stop, stop. The Saints have no one to blame but themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 great, now dick durbin is getting the US senate involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricrelish Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 great, now dick durbin is getting the US senate involved I hadn't read this item yet from the link above. Wow. In time folks will forget, but it certainly puts a black-eye on that season. "The bounty pool reached as much as $50,000 during the 2009 season when the Saints won their championship, the league said." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 great, now dick durbin is getting the US senate involved + Our tax dollars at work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Somewhat, yes. I think we can say with all honesty that some type of pay-for-performance system goes on or has gone on in a lot of clubhouses. No, I don't think they should all get punished or punished in the same way. If coaches were involved (and there is evidence to suggest that including coaches and players admitting to it), then yes, I do think there should be some repercussions depending on how far back it was done. That I think the league needs to take seriously and investigate as fervently as they did with the Saints. Otherwise the league is just being hypocritical IMO. But the way I perceive it is that the league would rather make an example of the Saints and sweep the rest under the rug. I'm sorry if I don't see that as fair, but that's what I'm being accused of being a homer and a whiner about. Have you actually deluded yourself into thinking this is about the pay-for-performance system itself, or are you just ignoring the fact that within the reward structure were bonuses for injuring other players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Have you actually deluded yourself into thinking this is about the pay-for-performance system itself, or are you just ignoring the fact that within the reward structure were bonuses for injuring other players? I love how words keep getting put in my mouth. What of anything have I said to make you think that? Why would I think the punishment is correct if that was the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkhorse1251 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I think the punishment was harsh but necessary. A few people are going to go without pay, but compared to the lawsuits that the League would have seen from this, it's nothing in comparison. I think it should stop here though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Who dat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I think the punishment was harsh but necessary. A few people are going to go without pay, but compared to the lawsuits that the League would have seen from this, it's nothing in comparison. I think it should stop here though. I think for there to have been any lawsuits someone would have actually had to have been knocked out of a game or carted off. Neither happened during that course in time. I would guess it would be very difficult to win a suit solely based on proof of intent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I love how words keep getting put in my mouth. What of anything have I said to make you think that? Why would I think the punishment is correct if that was the case? I didn't put words in your mouth, I'm actually pointing out the lack of them. I think we can say with all honesty that some type of pay-for-performance system goes on or has gone on in a lot of clubhouses You gloss right over the fact that the Saints had intent and incentives to injure or knock opponents out of the game. That is a world of difference. The Saints aren't just "one more club doing what others do", they aren't the result of some kind of conspiracy theory, and they aren't victims. They did this to themselves and are now reaping what they sowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) I think for there to have been any lawsuits someone would have actually had to have been knocked out of a game or carted off. Neither happened during that course in time. I would guess it would be very difficult to win a suit solely based on proof of intent. That's only because Favre is such a tough son of a bitch that he brushed it off as nothing but a flesh wound and kept playing. Edited March 22, 2012 by CaP'N GRuNGe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I didn't put words in your mouth, I'm actually pointing out the lack of them. You gloss right over the fact that the Saints had intent and incentives to injure or knock opponents out of the game. That is a world of difference. The Saints aren't just "one more club doing what others do", they aren't the result of some kind of conspiracy theory, and they aren't victims. They did this to themselves and are now reaping what they sowed. Seriously, are you capable of reading past my last post? Do I honestly have to spell everything out every time I post? That's only because Favre is such a tough son of a bitch that he brushed it off as nothing but a flesh wound and kept playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbimm Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 What a bunch of ass holes. Talk about baiting a guy over and over so you can keep pounding away at his integrity. I consider rajn a friend as well as a fellow Saints fan and also seem to remember him being one hell of a Saints information machine here on this very board. I know if I was in his shoes I wouldn't spend nearly as much time digging for some of you guys in the future. I said in my last post that I wasn't sure how I felt about all of this yet but now that has changed. Screw God ell. Screw the bounties and whatever else you bunch of pansies have to complain about. Football was a violent sport. Football may still be a violent sport if it isn't completely sissified into oblivion by a bunch of soccer Dads and lawyers. Any one of you who has watched enough football to jump out of your chairs when your defensive guy creams the other teams QB and then comes in here to cry about what the Saints did is a hypocrite. Bounties? So freakin what? Yes everyone else was doing it so get the hell over it. Oh no... Sean Payton lied. So what Get the hell over it. Sean Payton is a cocky basturd who thumbed his nose up to another cocky basturd. God ell just had more power than him. NFL owners lie. Coaches lie. Players lie. They lie to the top brass and they lie to us. Happens all the time. Get over it! Many of you here, many people on other message boards and of course a majority of the press has quickly turned this situation into something much greater than it is. From reading the responses of so many non Saints fans you would think the Saints defense and coaching staff was involved in point shaving or in some of the more extreme cases running a child pornography ring. What I am seeing here in New Orleans is a fan base who is starting to get a " Us against the world. " feeling. Awesome. I was tired of the nations little darlings tag that our team was getting. Hate us. Call us names. Say we cheated our way to the Super Bowl. I could give a rats ass to be honest. You will all be hating us just a little bit more when Brees and the Saints are hoisting the Lombardi In the Super Dome next February. Get Over It! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbimm Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Another thing... With everybodies whining, bitching and complaining there is one group of people we have heard very little from. Who is that you might ask? The very group of people you are all out to protect (so you say). The freakin players! Sure there has been the blurb here and there of the obligatory, "Theres no room for this in the game". What ever? That's a load of crap and the players know it. That's why we are hearing so little from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice1 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) Another thing... With everybodies whining, bitching and complaining there is one group of people we have heard very little from. Who is that you might ask? The very group of people you are all out to protect (so you say). The freakin players! Sure there has been the blurb here and there of the obligatory, "Theres no room for this in the game". What ever? That's a load of crap and the players know it. That's why we are hearing so little from them. That was one or should I say two great Rants! I agree Rajn has been clear in his views. BTW, once the punishments start coming down on the players I suspect we will hear plenty. Edited March 23, 2012 by Ice1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) Another thing... With everybodies whining, bitching and complaining there is one group of people we have heard very little from. Who is that you might ask? The very group of people you are all out to protect (so you say). The freakin players! Sure there has been the blurb here and there of the obligatory, "Theres no room for this in the game". What ever? That's a load of crap and the players know it. That's why we are hearing so little from them. I don't give a rat's ass about the players. They are the dumbasses who let those things happen. Hit a guy from behind in the NHL and you're going to answer to someone. Even the homo baseball players will charge the mound if they think a pitcher is throwing at them. But just watch the Cincinnati Bengals stand around like some 8th graders at a school dance after Hines Ward blindsides Keith Rivers and breaks his jaw. The NFL players should police themselves to a certain degree. Players getting injured in the NFL is bad for business. Its going to happen because of the nature of the game. But it boggles my mind how many of you can't seem to understand that the NFL can't condone practices that encourage players to injure other players. Some of you New Orleans fans are the ones that have to get over this. Edited March 23, 2012 by Furd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbimm Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I don't give a rat's ass about the players. They are the dumbasses who let those things happen. Hit a guy from behind in the NHL and you're going to answer to someone. Even the homo baseball players will charge the mound if they think a pitcher is throwing at them. But just watch the Cincinnati Bengals stand around like some 8th graders at a school dance after Hines Ward blindsides Keith Rivers and breaks his jaw. The NFL players should police themselves to a certain degree. Players getting injured in the NFL is bad for business. Its going to happen because of the nature of the game. But it boggles my mind how many of you can't seem to understand that the NFL can't condone practices that encourage players to injure other players. Some of you New Orleans fans are the ones that have to get over this. What in my posts makes you think I have anything to get over? We had a bounty program. We lied about it. We got caught. We got punished. We of course in the sense of fans feeling like they are a part of their team. Your right though. The NFL can't condone those types of practices. Hell while your at it lets make them all slow down so they don't run into each other so hard. Maybe we could wrap them all in foam rubber to absorb some of the shock. Every defensive player in the league is looking for that BIG SHOT. Looking to knock a guys head off as he comes through the line. Players getting injured happens. The violent nature of the sport is what made it what it is today. The sissified version of the sport that so many seem to be clamoring for will never keep our collective attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I don't give a rat's ass about the players. They are the dumbasses who let those things happen. Hit a guy from behind in the NHL and you're going to answer to someone. Even the homo baseball players will charge the mound if they think a pitcher is throwing at them. But just watch the Cincinnati Bengals stand around like some 8th graders at a school dance after Hines Ward blindsides Keith Rivers and breaks his jaw. The NFL players should police themselves to a certain degree. Players getting injured in the NFL is bad for business. Its going to happen because of the nature of the game. But it boggles my mind how many of you can't seem to understand that the NFL can't condone practices that encourage players to injure other players. Some of you New Orleans fans are the ones that have to get over this. That's just it, I don't condone it. Never have, never will and nothing I've said should have ever led anyone to believe that or accuse me of it. Yet here you are again, joining in with several of the others, making assumptions that I do or expect the league to. That's what boggles my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I don't know why I made the mistake of posting in this thread in the first place after resisting for so long. There hasn't been a lick of rationality so far, no reason to expect it to start now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I don't know why I made the mistake. Thanks for admitting you were wrong. Way to step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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