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Why don't we focus on what really happened? Tom Brady just won his 7th Superbowl on a new team, new town, with new teamates, with new coaches and a new playbook at 43 years old. And he did it against the unbeatable defending Superbowl Champions. It's one of the most remarkable things I've ever seen in sports. 

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7 minutes ago, League_Champion said:

Why don't we focus on what really happened? Tom Brady just won his 7th Superbowl on a new team, new town, with new teamates, with new coaches and a new playbook at 43 years old. And he did it against the unbeatable defending Superbowl Champions. It's one of the most remarkable things I've ever seen in sports. 

It was like watching the old Pats but with different jerseys.

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2 minutes ago, purplemonster said:

It was like watching the old Pats but with different jerseys.

 

Tom Brady now has more Superbowl wins than the New England Patriots, hahaa. 

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2 hours ago, purplemonster said:

The difference is that Breeland was beat on the play and behind Evans. Evans isn't zigging and zagging he's running down the field pretty straight and Breeland essentially trips him, or at least isn't paying attention enough to not run into the back of Evans.  It is his fault.  In almost every sport you will almost always get called if you are behind someone and you trip him. Hockey, basketball, they aren't going to say 'incidental contact' even if you didn't mean to.  I can see how someone would make that case but I think it is wrong because it unfairly disadvantages the player who got open.  Breeland wasn't overtaking Evans, he was beat and trying to get back in the play.  

 

I too agree with Shaft. Anyway it would be interesting how many others consider that a penalty or incidental. Anyone? 

He didn't run into the back of Evans. Evans foot hit him in the leg causing him to fall. He barely even touched Evans as he went down. Being beat & his position had nothing to do with it. It was textbook incidental contact per the NFL rulebook:

 

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ARTICLE 1.  DEFINITION. It is pass interference by either team when any act by a player more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders an eligible player’s opportunity to catch the ball. Pass interference can only occur when a forward pass is thrown from behind the line of scrimmage, regardless of whether the pass is legal or illegal, or whether it crosses the line. 

 Defensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is thrown until the ball is touched. See Article 2 for prohibited acts while the ball is in the air.
 Offensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is snapped until the ball is touched. See Article 2 for prohibited acts while the ball is in the air and Article 4 for prohibited acts prior to the pass.

 

 

Breeland barely touched him. It was Evans' foot hitting Breeland that caused him to stumble and lose momentum. 

 

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ARTICLE 2.  PROHIBITED ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR. Acts that are pass interference include, but are not limited to:

(a) Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch;

(b) Playing through the back of an opponent in an attempt to make a play on the ball;

(c) Grabbing an opponent’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass;

(d) Extending an arm across the body of an opponent, thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, and regardless of whether the player committing such act is playing the ball;

(e) Cutting off the path of an opponent by making contact with him, without playing the ball;

(f) Hooking an opponent in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the opponent’s body to turn prior to the ball arriving;

(g) Initiating contact with an opponent by shoving or pushing off, thus creating separation.
 Note: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference.

 

 

a. Contact was made that restricted Evans from getting to the ball & Breeland was not playing the ball. However, the added note specifically states that if there is even a question of incidental contact then the ruling should be no pass interference.

b. Breeland was unable to play through the back of Evans

c. He did not grab Evans & clearly made no attempt to tackle him to prevent him from getting to the ball

d. Nope

e. Nope

f. Nope

g. Breeland did not initiate the contact

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ARTICLE 3.  PERMISSIBLE ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR. Acts that are permissible by a player include, but are not limited to:

(a) Incidental contact by an opponent’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.

(b) Inadvertent tangling of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.

(c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players, except as specified in 8-3-2 and 8-5-4 pertaining to blocking downfield by the offense.

(d) Laying a hand on an opponent that does not restrict him in an attempt to make a play on the ball.

(e) Contact by a player who has gained position on an opponent in an attempt to catch the ball.

Seems pretty clearly to be textbook incidental contact.

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Brady, Gronk, Fournette, AB, Suh...the strategy of taking all the other teams a-holes worked well

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Side note.... This guy truly is one of the best.  I’ve been listening to him since he did T-Wolves games back in the 90’s.  Between the NBA, NCAA tourney, and NFL, he’s had an absolutely stellar career, making the most unexciting games exciting, and the exciting games feel out of this world. Whatever HOF there is for sports broadcasting, he’s deserving of a spot some day.  

 

Kevin Harlan calls fan running on to the field during SB

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15 hours ago, rajncajn said:

 

Seems pretty clearly to be textbook incidental contact.

I give you credit for a well laid out argument. You are clearly underpaid at your job and should be arguing cases at the Supreme Court. I agree with you it was incidental on Breeland's part. I think he created the situation though by running directly behind Evans.  If this is always the case a defender could just run behind the player he was beaten by and wait until their feet got tangled and then claim innocence, that he didn't mean to trip anyone.  If you are running in the kick zone of the guy in front you can't be surprised when your feet get tangled. 

 

Anyway, we have beaten this one to death, I see your argument from the rulebook but I think it misses some context here. Steratore said it had to be called on the show. Romo, not a rules official, agreed only mentioning whether it was catchable.  

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Contact by the defender caused the WR to fall down while the ball was in the air. That ain't incidental. That's a spot penalty....and an automatic first down!!!!  :pflag:

 

Championship!!!

 

Bucs SB win, Saints title window has closed. I mean it's Christmas all over again in February.

 

Too soon? Tacky? Yeah alright I'll calm down.

 

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13 hours ago, Gopher said:

Side note.... This guy truly is one of the best.  I’ve been listening to him since he did T-Wolves games back in the 90’s.  Between the NBA, NCAA tourney, and NFL, he’s had an absolutely stellar career, making the most unexciting games exciting, and the exciting games feel out of this world. Whatever HOF there is for sports broadcasting, he’s deserving of a spot some day.  

 

Kevin Harlan calls fan running on to the field during SB

I can't stop laughing with the cat one.

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1 minute ago, stethant said:

Contact by the defender caused the WR to fall down while the ball was in the air. That ain't incidental. That's a spot penalty....and an automatic first down!!!!  :pflag:

 

Championship!!!

 

Bucs SB win, Saints title window has closed. I mean it's Christmas all over again in February.

 

Too soon? Tacky? Yeah alright I'll calm down.

 

:lol:

 

Yeah, yeah... Congratulations & all that other nonsense. :moon:

 

BTW, it must be pretty entertaining to be a Bucs fan in Boston right about now. I've got a friend who is a Bucs fan here & his whole family are all Saints fans. Thankfully he's not too over-the-top with rubbing it in.

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30 minutes ago, stethant said:

Championship!!!

 

Bucs SB win, Saints title window has closed. I mean it's Christmas all over again in February.

 

Congrats! That was an amazing win. 

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40 minutes ago, stethant said:

Contact by the defender caused the WR to fall down while the ball was in the air. That ain't incidental. That's a spot penalty....and an automatic first down!!!!  :pflag:

 

Championship!!!

 

Bucs SB win, Saints title window has closed. I mean it's Christmas all over again in February.

 

Too soon? Tacky? Yeah alright I'll calm down.

 

I give you credit, I missed the fact that the Bucs at the end of the year were not the same team as they were at the beginning.  Tawmy had righted the ship and brought his winning ways to TB.  Literally looked like a disciplined Pats team out there, complete with Brady and Gronk, and just missing The Hoodie and the jerseys. And I'll be damned if you aren't back to try it all again next year.  I wonder what betting odds are 

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While free agency and the draft can shift the outlook a bit — and really anything can happen between now and next year — the early odds point favorably in both Super Bowl 55 teams' directions, per the DraftKings sportsbook:

  • Chiefs: +550
  • Packers: +900
  • Buccaneers: +900
  • Ravens: +1200
  • Bills: +1200
  • Rams: +1200
  • 49ers: +1400
  • Saints: +1700
  • Browns: +2200
  • Seahawks: +2200
  • Dolphins: +2500
  • Colts: +2800
  • Chargers: +2800
  • Titans: +2800
  • Cowboys: +3000
  • Patriots: +3000
  • Steelers: +3000
  • Vikings: +4000
  • Panthers: +4500
  • Cardinals: +5000
  • Falcons: +5000
  • Bears: +5000
  • Raiders: +5000
  • Eagles: +5000
  • Broncos: +6000
  • Washington: +6000
  • Bengals: +6600
  • Giants: +6600
  • Jets: +6600
  • Jaguars: +8000
  • Lions: +10000
  • Texans: +10000

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On 2/7/2021 at 8:37 PM, rajncajn said:

Yeah,  I thought it was gonna be Lenny Kravitz. I don't even know who this hack is.. 🤣

 

Edit: Now the wife is irritated with me because she's a big LK fan. 😒

 

Curious why did you think it was going to be Lenny Kravitz? I never heard of The Weekend and probably never heard his songs since I listen to classic rock radio. But I had heard about him being the SB performer on another site. And like most years I didn't watch the halftime show, well the TV was on but the sounds was some real music (CSNY) while I had something to eat. 

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On 2/7/2021 at 10:17 PM, Shaft said:

Brady is really challenging Ali, Ruth,  Jordan and etc. as the greatest athlete. The only thing holding him back is that football is such a team sport, but he's in that tier now. 

Somebody on another forum compared Brady's post 40 year old accomplishments to that of Jack Nicklaus post 40 (believe he won 3 majors after 40). I told the guy I don't follow golf but know the accomplishments there are all about that individual, where football is the most team oriented sport I know, and Brady has needed an increasing amount of talent around him (best WR group he had, a defense that was the real MVP) to win this ring. But of course since he was named MVP in a few years nobody will remember the defense did anything and it will be all about Tom and his greatness. 

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1 hour ago, purplemonster said:

Jets: +6600

 

This is the lunch box bet but grab it now. Because if they get Watson it's going to change dramatically. IMO it's worth throwing a couple bucks on and forgetting about it. 

 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, League_Champion said:

 

This is the lunch box bet but grab it now. Because if they get Watson it's going to change dramatically. IMO it's worth throwing a couple bucks on and forgetting about it. 

 

 

 

 

So we can assume you've already placed your bet?  (I don't wager on sports, I'd rather give to a legit charity.)

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1 minute ago, stevegrab said:

 

So we can assume you've already placed your bet?  (I don't wager on sports, I'd rather give to a legit charity.)

 

Steve, did you take my advice on the Superbowl and take the under/Bucs -3?

 

You'd be buying a new Prius 

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12 minutes ago, League_Champion said:

 

Steve, did you take my advice on the Superbowl and take the under/Bucs -3?

 

You'd be buying a new Prius 

 

LC, do you have a problem with reading comprehension, I DO NOT BET ON SPORTS.

 

Every time somebody says something is a sure thing or worth betting on that usually means they haven't placed a bet. That is why I always ask how much they've bet. 

 

PS  I don't need to win a bet to buy a new car, I own a 2017 Outback with no payment and 4 motorcycles. Besides all that I would not buy a Prius, though I have a brother who's owned a couple (his wife's daily driver). 

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3 minutes ago, stevegrab said:

PS  I don't need to win a bet to buy a new car, I own a 2017 Outback with no payment and 4 motorcycles. Besides all that I would not buy a Prius, though I have a brother who's owned a couple (his wife's daily driver).

 

Calm down buddy, just messing with you. My bad 

 

By the way, the Prius line was pretty dam funny. Even you have to admit. 

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Just now, League_Champion said:

 

Calm down buddy, just messing with you. My bad 

 

I'm plenty calm, just tired of your silly comments trying to paint me as something I am not. You don't know me anymore than I know you. 

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1 hour ago, stevegrab said:

 

Curious why did you think it was going to be Lenny Kravitz? I never heard of The Weekend and probably never heard his songs since I listen to classic rock radio. But I had heard about him being the SB performer on another site. And like most years I didn't watch the halftime show, well the TV was on but the sounds was some real music (CSNY) while I had something to eat. 

Because I hadn't cared enough or paid enough attention to look up who was doing the halftime show and I saw an advertisement they had of the show and all the advertisement showed was a silhouetted profile of him with sunglasses on. The hair & sunglasses made him look just like Lenny Kravitz.

 

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3 hours ago, stevegrab said:

 

Curious why did you think it was going to be Lenny Kravitz? I never heard of The Weekend and probably never heard his songs since I listen to classic rock radio. But I had heard about him being the SB performer on another site. And like most years I didn't watch the halftime show, well the TV was on but the sounds was some real music (CSNY) while I had something to eat. 

I'm familiar with the Weeknd because the kids listen to contemporary pop, but they've done a poor job of appealing to the football fan bases with the some of these half time shows. I would be curious how people would respond to the Eagles or Doobie Brothers. 

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