WaterMan Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Don't look at me I am just standing here watching 625758[/snapback] And we all care so much too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 22, 2004 Author Share Posted December 22, 2004 Fishing trip or not, at least for once we have a good football related discussion going on. 625761[/snapback] True very true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady12 Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 in 2001, NE's D allowed 17 pts or less in 11/16 reg season games, and 3/3 in the playoffs. in 2002 they only did it 6/16 in reg season.....no playoffs! in 2003 they did it 10/16 in reg season, and 2/3 in playoffs. i think you have the glasses on brady12 (like your name doesn't say it all). to ask for 18 pts of offense from your qb isn't that much, especially with a kicker like vin. it's the defense that dictates the wins for this franchise. i also don't think bringing up the Snow Bowl is "positive" in NE's history. getting an obscure call at home (one which has hardly been or will hardly ever be called again) had more to do with the outcome than a "gritty" brady. in 2001 A Smith rushed for 1156 and 12 td's. pretty darn reliable if you ask me. Edit: oh, and i didn't even include the defensive td's and st td's that assisted as well. i believe troy brown almost singlehandedly beat pit in the playoffs that year with his returns. 625278[/snapback] First off: GREAT discussion here because there are strong opinions. We'll never be able to prove the differences. When Peyton was in COLLEGE I thought he was a fantasy QB in the making but I also saw him as a "never win the big one" guy. The Brady in college stuff may be true, but he has reached NEAR-NAMATH status now. He's nailed 405 hot actresses/models, is mr.GQ, and frankly the envy of any heterosexual male. I hope he continues to nail hot models. i would too. Funny how Bier Meister stops his stats analysis at 2003. LOOK AT 2004. We finally get our own version of an Edgerrin James and...voila', top 5 offense in the NFL. And our D is terrible (secondary), probably worse than the Colts right now. I'd love someone to flash up Manning's first 30 NFL starts stats vs Brady. Manning was laughably bad his first couple of years. Brady has been money since the get go. Here's the thing: we can ALL agree Brady is not a stats monster. We can also agree he is a SMART QB (yes, like Montana, Simms, etc.) BLEDSOE was a stat monster for 4-5 years. He made his share of pro bowls...but in my mind he is FAR CLOSER to Peyton Manning (and vice versa) because the guys NEVER COULD WIN THE BIG ONE. The Ben Wallace example is silly. QBs in the NFL are the main stars (sometimes there is a star RB or WR too, rarely - Baltimore in 2001 - it's all the defense). So Jordan/Dominique is fair, although I've already stated Brady isn't a stats guy. Last laugh will happen again sometime in January. Pats may lose, but the Colts sure as hell won't win...and there will be a costly mistake by Manning - there always is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady12 Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Now, can I ask advice as everyone ignores the advice forums? I'm in the SB and have to choose Favre @ Min or Volek vs Den. i started Volek last week. BOTH should be huge. Who is a better bet to throw for over 300 and have 1 or more TDs for OVER 30 yards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Now, can I ask advice as everyone ignores the advice forums? I'm in the SB and have to choose Favre @ Min or Volek vs Den. i started Volek last week. BOTH should be huge. Who is a better bet to throw for over 300 and have 1 or more TDs for OVER 30 yards? 626342[/snapback] I say Volek - his chemistry w/ Bennett and Mason is too much to sit at this point. GB may end up running Ahman a fair amount, as MIN's run D sucks mightily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 (edited) He's nailed 405 hot actresses/models, is mr.GQ, and frankly the envy of any heterosexual male. I hope he continues to nail hot models. i would too. 626335[/snapback] Why do some of Brady's fans bring this up? When they do, I picture you as a 38 year old fat guy living in your Mom's basement. Who cares? And our D is terrible (secondary), probably worse than the Colts right now. 626335[/snapback] Currently, New England is 16th against the pass. Colts are 29th. I'd love someone to flash up Manning's first 30 NFL starts stats vs Brady. Manning was laughably bad his first couple of years. Brady has been money since the get go. 626335[/snapback] Laughably bad? Do you mean by setting just about every rookie passing record? Manning 1998: 326/575 56.7% 3739 yards 26 TD 28 INT 71.2 rating Manning 1999: 331/533 62.1% 4135 yards 26 TD 15 INT 90.7 rating Brady 2001: 264/413 63.9% 2843 yards 18 TD 12 INT 86.5 rating Brady 2002: 373/601 62.1% 3764 yards 28 TD 14 INT 85.7 rating And remember, Brady got to sit and learn for a year. Brady was on a better team, and still his stats don't compare. and there will be a costly mistake by Manning - there always is. 626335[/snapback] Besides last year's AFC Championship game, name another? Edited December 22, 2004 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Manning 1998: 326/575 56.7% 3739 yards 26 TD 28 INT 71.2 ratingManning 1999: 331/533 62.1% 4135 yards 26 TD 15 INT 90.7 rating Brady 2001: 264/413 63.9% 2843 yards 18 TD 12 INT 86.5 rating Brady 2002: 373/601 62.1% 3764 yards 28 TD 14 INT 85.7 rating And remember, Brady got to sit and learn for a year. Brady was on a better team, and still his stats don't compare. 626386[/snapback] I hate to butt in, but it looks like Brady's got the better average rating there, so I'm not sure "don't compare" is appropriate. Peyton's INTs killed him his first year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 I hate to butt in, but it looks like Brady's got the better average rating there, so I'm not sure "don't compare" is appropriate. Peyton's INTs killed him his first year. 626404[/snapback] More yards. More TD's. More completions. Manning had eleven INT's in his first 4 games. Brady didn't even have to see the field his rookie year, when adjusting to the speed of the NFL is more difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 (edited) brady12, i stopped at 2003 because this year is not complete, and we have been discussing how the Pat's D and running game have contributed to brady's and the team's success. the point all along has been that brady has been fucntional in this system, but has been backed by steller D/ST. I have stayed away from the comparisons to Manning, but if you want to let's compare this years stats as well ...... manning will likely be breaking a record that has been standing for 20 years, plus a couple of other along the way. he has been racking up the stats WITH a top ranked rb also getting a load of touches/yards. Manning is typically the guy carrying the team in Indy. the same cannot be said for brady. as i've stated, and shown, the defense dictates the wins in NE.... i think brady is a much better version of dilfer. Edited December 22, 2004 by Bier Meister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 More yards. More TD's. More completions. Manning had eleven INT's in his first 4 games. Brady didn't even have to see the field his rookie year, when adjusting to the speed of the NFL is more difficult. 626442[/snapback] But he was in an offense where he was encouraged/forced to throw - this would not only explain the more yards, TDs and completions but the INTs as well. When you take that into effect and look at the QB ratings (which are designed to factor out those types of differences), I don't think you can say that the stats "don't compare." We're talking about 2 guys in their first full seasons who were in completely different offenses. While the stats obviously don't compare on one level (because of the offenses), they certainly do in overall efficiency and productivity from the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 The reason I compared them was that brady12 said he would like to see a comparison of Manning and Brady's first 2 years. I agree. They are on different offenses, requiring different things. But to say Manning was "laughably bad" is laughably wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 The reason I compared them was that brady12 said he would like to see a comparison of Manning and Brady's first 2 years. I agree. They are on different offenses, requiring different things. But to say Manning was "laughably bad" is laughably wrong. 626485[/snapback] True - he was laughably good, for a rookie. He had his rocky moments in the first half, but he's been great since then. Way I see it, Brady and Manning are apples and oranges - but even if they were both apples, Manning would be the better one (if that makes sense). I shake my head whenever Pats fans try to compare throwing stats with Manning - it's a no-win endeavor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msaint Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 (edited) Hmm - I could swear I've seen him wearing a fur coat recently . . . Brady is a colossal nerd. A girl I know was in his class at Michigan and said he was a monster tool . . . he was always trying to hook up with her roommate. Said roommate didn't want any of that, so my friend would have to make up lies whenever he would call (e.g. "No, Tommy - she's washing her hair and will have to call you back"). I still laugh at this whenever I see him on TV. 625568[/snapback] Yeah, I bet while banging Ali Landry and Tara Reid at the same time, Brady is really regretting not hooking up with the fat, corn-fed U.Michigan chick. And yes, I'm 38 and live in my mom's basement. Edited December 22, 2004 by msaint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 He's nailed 405 hot actresses/models, is mr.GQ, and frankly the envy of any heterosexual male. I hope he continues to nail hot models. i would too. 626335[/snapback] Why do some of Brady's fans bring this up? When they do, I picture you as a 38 year old fat guy living in your Mom's basement. Who cares? 626386[/snapback] Yeah, I bet while banging Ali Landry and Tara Reid at the same time, Brady is really regretting not hooking up with the fat, corn-fed U.Michigan chick. And yes, I'm 38 and live in my mom's basement. 626751[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 "Brady is a colossal nerd" as if we couldnt already tell from seeing and listening to him on tv good story though almost as good as that David Terrell "bomb ass dick" story someone was tellin on here Tara Reid is gross..i bang girls twice as hot as her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Tara Reid is gross..i bang girls twice as hot as her 626766[/snapback] Sure you do. Guys who feel the need to brag about "banging hot girls" are usually the ones who sit at home on Saturday nights jerking off to scramble porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 "are usually the ones who sit at home on Saturday nights jerking off to scramble porn." bested again by the great William Swerski!! make your own conclusions...point is..tara reid shouldnt be considered hot..shes "overrated". l Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 I find it amusing that mo lewis still hasn't learned how to use the "quote" function. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 I find it amusing that mo lewis still hasn't learned how to use the "quote" function. 626790[/snapback] how ***in cool am i now guys?? huh, huh ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Yeah, I bet while banging Ali Landry and Tara Reid at the same time, Brady is really regretting not hooking up with the fat, corn-fed U.Michigan chick. And yes, I'm 38 and live in my mom's basement. 626751[/snapback] She's actually quite hot. Anyway, Tara Reid is junk - ladies aren't dope just b/c they're famous. Ali Landry and Bridget Moynihan, however - not bad at all . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 She's actually quite hot. Anyway, Tara Reid is junk - ladies aren't dope just b/c they're famous. Ali Landry and Bridget Moynihan, however - not bad at all . . . 626841[/snapback] yeah Tara Reid is junk..but hey what would i know..i just learned to use a quote feature on a message board and i watch scrambled porn on saturday nights ha,balzac said 'ladies arent dope'...glad to see im not the only one on this board who talks like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 22, 2004 Author Share Posted December 22, 2004 Manning 1999: 331/533 62.1% 4135 yards 26 TD 15 INT 90.7 rating Brady 2002: 373/601 62.1% 3764 yards 28 TD 14 INT 85.7 rating its also pretty easy to look here and see that their systems are MUCH DIFFERENT....both have a 62.1% completion % but that is slightly decieving as evidenced by the nearly 400 more yards that peyton put up in what is about 12% LESS PASSES so one would think brady should have a HIGHER comp % in a shorter passing game... JUST SOMETHING THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME IS ALL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Manning 1999: 331/533 62.1% 4135 yards 26 TD 15 INT 90.7 rating Brady 2002: 373/601 62.1% 3764 yards 28 TD 14 INT 85.7 rating its also pretty easy to look here and see that their systems are MUCH DIFFERENT....both have a 62.1% completion % but that is slightly decieving as evidenced by the nearly 400 more yards that peyton put up in what is about 12% LESS PASSES so one would think brady should have a HIGHER comp % in a shorter passing game... JUST SOMETHING THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME IS ALL 626855[/snapback] Curious that you would select the year from the 2 where Manning didn't toss 638 INTs. People need to stop with the convenient stat comparisons - this is getting ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Curious that you would select the year from the 2 where Manning didn't toss 638 INTs. People need to stop with the convenient stat comparisons - this is getting ridiculous. 626895[/snapback] Actually, the stat lines are from each player's second year. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Actually, the stat lines are from each player's second year. . . 626897[/snapback] Right - but the initial argument focused on both years. Conveniently dropping out the first year (which was a great deal worse for Manning) in this case to make Manning look better by comparison is suspect. Tom Brady is God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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