T-Scorp Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 KFAN is discussing the idea of Moss to the Redskins for a #1 draft pick and Arrington. I guess this is a serious speculation. The Cap $s seem to fit and the skins have traded a top defensive player for a offensive player and a draft pick (Portis trade). It would definitley help the Vikings D and with the pick maybe Mike Williams to help replace Moss..... THIS IS JUST A RUMOR not trying to break news here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 No way is Gibbs gonna let this trade happen. He'd have a heart attack putting up with Moss' antics. And Lavarr and the 9th pick seems a little steep to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampnuts Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Take it and run if you're the Vikes! Let's see what Moss' stats look like with Ramsey chucking him the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSab Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Moss should go to the raiders, he would fit right in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 KFAN is discussing the idea of Moss to the Redskins for a #1 draft pick and Arrington. I guess this is a serious speculation. The Cap $s seem to fit and the skins have traded a top defensive player for a offensive player and a draft pick (Portis trade). It would definitley help the Vikings D and with the pick maybe Mike Williams to help replace Moss..... THIS IS JUST A RUMOR not trying to break news here. 663493[/snapback] I'd be shocked if this happened, even after LaVar's injury-plagued season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 No way Moss will allow this. Yes, I did say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 KFAN loves to speculate about moves like this. Nobody that matters has actually said anything about it. I think it would be great, but I won't hold my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 The Redskins D was tremendous this year without Lavar doing a thing for them. So while I doubt this would happen, I wouldn't be shocked if it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Goes Frazia Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Arrington needs to prove he can play an entire season. very interesting though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rock Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Moss should go to the raiders, he would fit right in. 663508[/snapback] Someone on ESPN.com said Moss for Buchanon and a #1 would work out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Someone on ESPN.com said Moss for Buchanon and a #1 would work out... 663613[/snapback] I'd like to see that and then trade for Ricky Williams. Then turn the Raiders season into a reality show on FOX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DexterDew Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Don't the Redskins need someone to throw the ball to Moss, or whoever they line up with 80's on their jersey? I would speculate that there are a number of teams that need a talent like Moss, but only a few are desperate enough(OAK, MIA, CHI, JAX, or SF) , or have the coach with a God complex(DAL or TB). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrograde assault Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I hope the foreskins do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 If that trade happened, the Redskins would be robbing the Vikings BLIND. Horrible trade. And I don't even like Moss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrograde assault Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Moss is a cancer and the combination of him and Snyder would totally blow Gibbs right back outta the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 If that trade happened, the Redskins would be robbing the Vikings BLIND. Horrible trade. And I don't even like Moss. 663962[/snapback] its cliche..but I just dont see the Vikings getting Randys value in return Hook you think Moss to Oakland for Buchannon and the 7th pick is fair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I dont think Gibbs would do it no matter how badly Snyder wanted him to. Plus, I think Lavar is going to make that defense insane next year. This year we had little to no pass rush. Lavar had 11 sacks one year coming off the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 If that trade happened, the Redskins would be robbing the Vikings BLIND. Horrible trade. And I don't even like Moss. 663962[/snapback] I dunno, one of the local wags compared Moss to "The One Ring" from Lord of the Rings - the bearer won't give him up and believes he can turn the power to good, but in the end the ring WILL destroy him. I think it's closer to the truth than some might think. As it stands, trading Moss right now for Pro Bowl level defensive talent and a high pick isn't the worst idea I've ever heard; the Vikes would still have a pretty decent WR corps (obviously less top-heavy) with Burleson, MRob, and Kelly Campbell (plus Wiggins and Kleinsasser at TE), and an elite defender like Arrington or Buchanon would shore up their UGLY defense - an area of need much greater than their offense, which proved this year it could hum along fairly well without Moss. Plus you have a high pick to spend on a young stud WR to replace Moss or more likely elite defensive talent. Plus you lose Moss' millstone of a contract and can get two mid-level players for depth (or again, defensive help). Not to mention Moss' hammies have been acting balky in the past few seasons; might be nothing (Ike Bruce rebounded quite nicely from far more severe problems) but then again it might be something. Bottom line - can it improve your team and what, precisely, have the Vikes won WITH Moss? They're currently 4 seasons removed from their last 10 win season and 6 years away from the last time they showed up to play in a conference championship (yes, they lost to the Giants in '00, but I don't consider a 41-0 pantsing to be "showing up"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I dunno, one of the local wags compared Moss to "The One Ring" from Lord of the Rings - the bearer won't give him up and believes he can turn the power to good, but in the end the ring WILL destroy him. I think it's closer to the truth than some might think. As it stands, trading Moss right now for Pro Bowl level defensive talent and a high pick isn't the worst idea I've ever heard; the Vikes would still have a pretty decent WR corps (obviously less top-heavy) with Burleson, MRob, and Kelly Campbell (plus Wiggins and Kleinsasser at TE), and an elite defender like Arrington or Buchanon would shore up their UGLY defense - an area of need much greater than their offense, which proved this year it could hum along fairly well without Moss. Plus you have a high pick to spend on a young stud WR to replace Moss or more likely elite defensive talent. Plus you lose Moss' millstone of a contract and can get two mid-level players for depth (or again, defensive help). Not to mention Moss' hammies have been acting balky in the past few seasons; might be nothing (Ike Bruce rebounded quite nicely from far more severe problems) but then again it might be something. Bottom line - can it improve your team and what, precisely, have the Vikes won WITH Moss? They're currently 4 seasons removed from their last 10 win season and 6 years away from the last time they showed up to play in a conference championship (yes, they lost to the Giants in '00, but I don't consider a 41-0 pantsing to be "showing up"). 664046[/snapback] this team couldnt win anything with Cris Carter or Robert Smith(although Dennys clock management in the 98 nfc title game was partly to blame), both were far better than any complimentary players they have on offense adding an elite defender would be ideal...and it would be nice to have a high pick to add a young stud receiver..but I dont see any receiver available in the draft that will be in Moss' class and I think they can get away withe lb corps of chris claiborne, ej henderson, and donatarious thomas. claibornes the oldest and hes 26. I think they should take a look at fred smoot this offseason and take a defender at 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 this team couldnt win anything with Cris Carter or Robert Smith(although Dennys clock management in the 98 nfc title game was partly to blame), both were far better than any complimentary players they have on offense 664069[/snapback] Herschel Walker was far better than ANY other player anywhere on the Cowboys in '88 but the trading of him seemed to work out for the best. Heck, even the Rams trade of Dickerson - possibly the best offensive player in the league at that point in time - to the Colts worked out to be, at worst, a wash. (no, I am NOT bringing up the Walker trade to rub Vikings fans faces in that trade again; however, I'm not necessarily upset that it kinda works out that way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Of course, in both cases the team losing the player got significantly more than one player and one pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBalla Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 (edited) If that trade happened, the Redskins would be robbing the Vikings BLIND. Horrible trade. And I don't even like Moss. 663962[/snapback] I agree...Moss changes the dynamic of the game...no matter who is chunking the ball. Lavar Arrington and a number 1 pick are a risk for the Red Skins...but risk either pays or it doesn't. The AIN'TS tend to rely on the draft...it doesn't work out. The Vikes are dumb. I dont think Gibbs would do it no matter how badly Snyder wanted him to. Plus, I think Lavar is going to make that defense insane next year. This year we had little to no pass rush. Lavar had 11 sacks one year coming off the edge. 663999[/snapback] Washington's offense contained a great running back in which every Head Coach prepared for. Patrick Ramsey, Brunell, Warner who cares...throwing to Moss...it doesn't matter. He coupled with Portis and Smoot, and Springs...Gibbs is brilliant! Edited January 21, 2005 by SuperBalla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 (edited) Are people really THAT high on Arrington? I mean, I understand that Randy Moss is an idiot, but trading him for a linebacker is crazy. As for trading him for Buchanon, I wouldn't trade one of the best WR in the league for a position that has been neutered by the "emphasis" on the contact rule. It just doesn't make sense. Very good comparison earlier with Moss and the ring, but I just wouldn't give up on him yet. That much talent is hard to come by. Edited January 21, 2005 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 As for trading him for Buchanon, I wouldn't trade one of the best WR in the league for a position that has been neutered by the "emphasis" on the contact rule. It just doesn't make sense. 664077[/snapback] I'd argue that the emphasis on the contact rule makes a CB who can defend without chucking and grabbing all the more valuable. Not saying Buchanon is or is not on that level, just sayin'..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I'd argue that the emphasis on the contact rule makes a CB who can defend without chucking and grabbing all the more valuable. Not saying Buchanon is or is not on that level, just sayin'..... 664080[/snapback] I thought so too, until I saw Champ Bailey play this year. Bailey is exactly that kind of corner, but he was scorched several times this year. Don't get me wrong, Buchanon is one of my favorite young corners, but the postition has been de-emphasized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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