Savage Beatings Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 (edited) What would you do if somebody stole thousands of dollars from you (let's say somewhere around $15k). You know with absolute certainty who did this and where they live, but you have zero evidence to support it... in fact the evidence on the surface looks more like it exonerates the guy. You basically can never ever prove it. But you know it, and he knows it. The theft takes a pretty heavy toll on you and your family. It causes major stress on your marriage. It means the kids don't get new clothes for a while, maybe no Christmas presents, definitely no vacations or other luxuries. What do you do? Do you risk going to prison for the satisfying moment of beating the living crap out of the thief (which could possibly destroy your family - prison time might mean divorce and would probably mean losing your house)? Do you kill him (or is $15k not worth that)? Since he messed with your family, do you mess with his family? Do you steal from him? Do you vandalize his house? How far do you go? What methods do you employ if any to get revenge? Or do you find a way to let it go? Edited August 25, 2008 by Savage Beatings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 You dont have to get your own hands dirty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 (edited) What would you do if somebody stole thousands of dollars from you (let's say somewhere around $15k). You know with absolute certainty who did this and where they live, but you have zero evidence to support it... in fact the evidence on the surface looks more like it exonerates the guy. You basically can never ever prove it. But you know it, and he knows it. The theft takes a pretty heavy toll on you and your family. It causes major stress on your marriage. It means the kids don't get new clothes for a while, maybe no Christmas presents, definitely no vacations or other luxuries. What do you do? Do you risk going to prison for the satisfying moment of beating the living crap out of the thief (which could possibly destroy your family - prison time might mean divorce and would probably mean losing your house)? Do you kill him (or is $15k not worth that)? Since he messed with your family, do you mess with his family? Do you steal from him? Do you vandalize his house? How far do you go? What methods do you employ if any to get revenge? Or do you find a way to let it go? I'd hire professional help (Private detectives) and find a way to get it back. I would not steal it or hurt him because I am big believer in two wrongs don't make a right. The only time I would hurt someone is in self defense or my family is in danger (physically) and the only time I would steal is if my child would starve if I didn't. If I really couldn;t get it back, I would be severelly stressed and probably depressed but more importantly I would learn another life lesson the hard way and try to deal with it. I would even explain to my wife and kids what has happened and what we will do from here on out. Basically, be a man. Edited August 25, 2008 by MrTed46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controller Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 (edited) Going after his family in any way is not the way to go. Really bad karma. I would think seriously about throwing another $1 or $2K after the $15K already lost, and hire a couple of goons to hurt the guy real bad. But you'd have be make absolutely sure that they don't go too far and kill the flocker. Edited August 25, 2008 by Controller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted August 25, 2008 Author Share Posted August 25, 2008 You dont have to get your own hands dirty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 So you're saying even an accountant going through the books cannot show that the $$ was stolen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 If he all of a sudden has 15K through questionable means. I have a 3 letter answer for you: IRS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Very difficult to do, but without proof, you gotta let it go. That kind of thing can eat you from the inside out. No Christmas and no clothes will be a whole lot worse without you around if/when you get caught getting revenge. I had the equivalent of 8K stolen from me, and though it took a while, I am over it. Well 95% over it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controller Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 (edited) A former boss lied to me about giving me a % of the company. At the time, the company was losing money and shares would have been almost worthless. But in less than two years, the company was very profitable and he was able to sell it for $4,000,000. My share would have been 5% but he never made good on the promise. Some of it was in writing. I quit my job and hired a lawyer. Eventually he settled with me; but the four other guys he made promises to couldn't afford to quit and were too afraid to lawyer-up on him, so they got totally screwed. Edited August 25, 2008 by Controller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Does the thief know what this is doing to you? Do you know why he took it (i.e., are his kids starving)? Have you even brought it up with him in a conversational setting -- "man, you won't believe what happened to me..."? If so, what did he say/do? Have you talked to a cop or PI about how to go about getting it back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 I know you are probably not looking for this answer....but.... You have to let it go. If there is no positive proof so you can get him legally then you have to let it go. Suck it up...work on keeping the marriage and family on even ground.... and eventually you will recover. I speak from experience on the letting it go. And a lot more than 15K. You go without on things.....but you eventually recover and you have learned a life lesson on being bit once..twice shy. Being without material things is a lot better than being without freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Private dick and/or attorney. Spend a couple grand to get it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 The first rule of fight club: You do NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Private dick and/or attorney. Spend a couple grand to get it back. Oh, or hire some whomper/NSab types to "take care of it". The first rule of fight club: You do NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB!! Watched that movie last week... had been awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted August 25, 2008 Author Share Posted August 25, 2008 Very difficult to do, but without proof, you gotta let it go. I know you are probably not looking for this answer....but.... You have to let it go. If there is no positive proof so you can get him legally then you have to let it go. Suck it up...work on keeping the marriage and family on even ground.... and eventually you will recover. I speak from experience on the letting it go. And a lot more than 15K. You go without on things.....but you eventually recover and you have learned a life lesson on being bit once..twice shy. Being without material things is a lot better than being without freedom. If this hypothetical situation was in any way directly related to me, I would say, I hate this answer but I also think I know that it is the right one. Still... hypothetically, if someone wanted to hire some muscle it's not like you can just go to the Yellow Pages and look up Thugs-R-Us. I mean, how would someone in that situation even begin to proceed without the risk of a major Felony? Wait... don't answer that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controller Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Just out of curiosity - does this ordeal have anything to do with your username? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 I am thinking there has to be some way of proving it. that would be my focus. if nothing else, you know it, and he knows it....perhaps some carefully orchestrated "confrontation" over it where you capture the audio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted August 25, 2008 Author Share Posted August 25, 2008 Just out of curiosity - does this ordeal have anything to do with your username? No. But I imagine that the guy in this fabricated story probably feels a lot like that inside, and has probably recently considered doing things he would have never before dreamed he was capable of. But I also imagine that he has some children that he wouldn't want to alienate by making the wrong choice right about now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 No. But I imagine that the guy in this fabricated story probably feels a lot like that inside, and has probably recently considered doing things he would have never before dreamed he was capable of. But I also imagine that he has some children that he wouldn't want to alienate by making the wrong choice right about now. IRS. An audit can do wonders... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 What would you do if somebody stole thousands of dollars from you (let's say somewhere around $15k). You know with absolute certainty who did this and where they live, but you have zero evidence to support it... in fact the evidence on the surface looks more like it exonerates the guy. You basically can never ever prove it. But you know it, and he knows it. The theft takes a pretty heavy toll on you and your family. It causes major stress on your marriage. It means the kids don't get new clothes for a while, maybe no Christmas presents, definitely no vacations or other luxuries. What do you do? Do you risk going to prison for the satisfying moment of beating the living crap out of the thief (which could possibly destroy your family - prison time might mean divorce and would probably mean losing your house)? Do you kill him (or is $15k not worth that)? Since he messed with your family, do you mess with his family? Do you steal from him? Do you vandalize his house? How far do you go? What methods do you employ if any to get revenge? Or do you find a way to let it go? What i am about to say may come off like i'm joking but I am not, i am posting a serious rely to this question - No amount of money if worth you spending time away from your family. 15k isn't worth it. So instead of popping off and either killing or hurting the guy you need to inflict years of physiological torture to him and in which case I will be more than happy to lend my services to you. As a starter list, this is what you can do right away to get some satisfaction - 1. You have the persons address, correct? go on line at a library and begin signing him up for every junk mail thing you can find. I'm talking about you sitting in some chair for hours, signing him address up to every "Want a free iPod?" website you can find. 2. If you have or can get his phone number, sign him up for every marketing public poll firm out there. They do not have to follow the do not call list so they can call all night long. Make sure you put in the best time available during the middle of the night on some of them. 3. get yourself one of those disposible cell phones where you pre-pay the minutes for, you can get them at 7-11. Use cash and get like 30 minutes worth of minutes. When you are driving around to and from work, call up Pizza Hut, outback and various other delivery food joints and order food to his house when you know he will be home. Have the extra minutes in case the place calls back to confirm the order. 4. Go to various churches and sign him up for an at home consolation. make sure when football season starts that you list the preferred time during the games. 5. Go 50 miles away from where he lives and buy a bunch of stuff to make yard sale signs, make sure to use cash. Do up yard sale signs for his address on a weekend when you know he will be home. Put on the sign that every hour there will be a drawing for a free nintendo Wii. 6. When you are absolutely certain no one is around to see you, hide chicken breasts throughout his bushes, in his gutters, under his deck and porch. Ever seen what 10lbs of rotten chicken looks like? not as bad as the smell and flies it will attract. 7. Go on line, buy a pre-paid debit card with cash, and order "beast love monthly" in his name, have it delivered to his work. Its a German mag. but you can get it via Canada. don't ask how I know. 8. Find a pest inspector that you can trust and ask them the next time they are cleaning a house with roaches, to get you a female with an egg case. take that roach over to his house and drop it through his mail slot or slip it into the cracks of his garage door. 9. Go to the pet store in another town and buy 15 hamsters, let them loose in his back yard. 10. Get a laptop with wireless capability and get close to his house, if he has a wireless router broadcasting from there and it is not secured, ping 10.171.168.1.1 [i believe that is the default IP, i have to check when i get home]. If you get a response, ping 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 until you receive a response. then perform a drive map to that IP. Now you have access to his computer and all of his files. Feel free to steal away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 What i am about to say may come off like i'm joking but I am not, i am posting a serious rely to this question - No amount of money if worth you spending time away from your family. 15k isn't worth it. So instead of popping off and either killing or hurting the guy you need to inflict years of physiological torture to him and in which case I will be more than happy to lend my services to you. As a starter list, this is what you can do right away to get some satisfaction - 1. You have the persons address, correct? go on line at a library and begin signing him up for every junk mail thing you can find. I'm talking about you sitting in some chair for hours, signing him address up to every "Want a free iPod?" website you can find. 2. If you have or can get his phone number, sign him up for every marketing public poll firm out there. They do not have to follow the do not call list so they can call all night long. Make sure you put in the best time available during the middle of the night on some of them. 3. get yourself one of those disposible cell phones where you pre-pay the minutes for, you can get them at 7-11. Use cash and get like 30 minutes worth of minutes. When you are driving around to and from work, call up Pizza Hut, outback and various other delivery food joints and order food to his house when you know he will be home. Have the extra minutes in case the place calls back to confirm the order. 4. Go to various churches and sign him up for an at home consolation. make sure when football season starts that you list the preferred time during the games. 5. Go 50 miles away from where he lives and buy a bunch of stuff to make yard sale signs, make sure to use cash. Do up yard sale signs for his address on a weekend when you know he will be home. Put on the sign that every hour there will be a drawing for a free nintendo Wii. 6. When you are absolutely certain no one is around to see you, hide chicken breasts throughout his bushes, in his gutters, under his deck and porch. Ever seen what 10lbs of rotten chicken looks like? not as bad as the smell and flies it will attract. 7. Go on line, buy a pre-paid debit card with cash, and order "beast love monthly" in his name, have it delivered to his work. Its a German mag. but you can get it via Canada. don't ask how I know. 8. Find a pest inspector that you can trust and ask them the next time they are cleaning a house with roaches, to get you a female with an egg case. take that roach over to his house and drop it through his mail slot or slip it into the cracks of his garage door. 9. Go to the pet store in another town and buy 15 hamsters, let them loose in his back yard. 10. Get a laptop with wireless capability and get close to his house, if he has a wireless router broadcasting from there and it is not secured, ping 10.171.168.1.1 [i believe that is the default IP, i have to check when i get home]. If you get a response, ping 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 until you receive a response. then perform a drive map to that IP. Now you have access to his computer and all of his files. Feel free to steal away. And add this: http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=253885 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 What i am about to say may come off like i'm joking but I am not, i am posting a serious rely to this question - No amount of money if worth you spending time away from your family. 15k isn't worth it. So instead of popping off and either killing or hurting the guy you need to inflict years of physiological torture to him and in which case I will be more than happy to lend my services to you. As a starter list, this is what you can do right away to get some satisfaction - 1. You have the persons address, correct? go on line at a library and begin signing him up for every junk mail thing you can find. I'm talking about you sitting in some chair for hours, signing him address up to every "Want a free iPod?" website you can find. 2. If you have or can get his phone number, sign him up for every marketing public poll firm out there. They do not have to follow the do not call list so they can call all night long. Make sure you put in the best time available during the middle of the night on some of them. 3. get yourself one of those disposible cell phones where you pre-pay the minutes for, you can get them at 7-11. Use cash and get like 30 minutes worth of minutes. When you are driving around to and from work, call up Pizza Hut, outback and various other delivery food joints and order food to his house when you know he will be home. Have the extra minutes in case the place calls back to confirm the order. 4. Go to various churches and sign him up for an at home consolation. make sure when football season starts that you list the preferred time during the games. 5. Go 50 miles away from where he lives and buy a bunch of stuff to make yard sale signs, make sure to use cash. Do up yard sale signs for his address on a weekend when you know he will be home. Put on the sign that every hour there will be a drawing for a free nintendo Wii. 6. When you are absolutely certain no one is around to see you, hide chicken breasts throughout his bushes, in his gutters, under his deck and porch. Ever seen what 10lbs of rotten chicken looks like? not as bad as the smell and flies it will attract. 7. Go on line, buy a pre-paid debit card with cash, and order "beast love monthly" in his name, have it delivered to his work. Its a German mag. but you can get it via Canada. don't ask how I know. 8. Find a pest inspector that you can trust and ask them the next time they are cleaning a house with roaches, to get you a female with an egg case. take that roach over to his house and drop it through his mail slot or slip it into the cracks of his garage door. 9. Go to the pet store in another town and buy 15 hamsters, let them loose in his back yard. 10. Get a laptop with wireless capability and get close to his house, if he has a wireless router broadcasting from there and it is not secured, ping 10.171.168.1.1 [i believe that is the default IP, i have to check when i get home]. If you get a response, ping 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 until you receive a response. then perform a drive map to that IP. Now you have access to his computer and all of his files. Feel free to steal away. pretty funny, but of course, if you were caught, some of those things might land you as much "time away from your family" as simply beating the dude to a pulp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingfootball Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Do you really go to prison for beating the crap out of somebody? I spent the better part of 20 years either owning or working in bars and have seen many an arse whippin. Dont think I ever saw anyone have to do more than a night sobering up in the hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Do you really go to prison for beating the crap out of somebody? I spent the better part of 20 years either owning or working in bars and have seen many an arse whippin. Dont think I ever saw anyone have to do more than a night sobering up in the hold. depends. if you beat him bad enough, it's felony battery. now I'm assuming that savage has no priors, so he might only get probation for felony battery. Of course, having a felony on your record kind of sucks. now if he only punches him a couple of times, he could be charged with simple battery, which is a misdemeanor. Of course, he'd still get probation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperCharger Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 I'll get all your money back SB but it'll cost you 50%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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