Big Score 1 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I dunno. Did their parents get $4000 free rent/month & $100,000 cash from a sports agency while they were still playing in college? I'm glad to admit I was wrong about Bush's prolonged holdout. Now let's see what can do on an NFL field. I take it you're in the habit of placing blame on 20 something year old kids, for the actions of their parents, or in Bush's case, the action of his step father, LaMar Griffin? For me, I tend to think a better measure of a person, is what they have actually done, not their parents or step parents. For example, Lienhart is actually holding out. Lienhart has exercised less than sound judgement in his very public relationship with the skank of all skanks. These are decisions and actions that Lienhart himself is involved in, not his parents or step parents. Now while I do applaud Lienhart for returning to College last year, I also think that very decision of his, is what's effecting his current contract holdout. He now realizes he cost himself millions by not declaring last year (I'm about 99.9% certain the 49er's would've taken Lienhart #1 over Smith if he'd declared last year) and is now attempting to somewhat correct that financial mistake, via the current contract negotiations. Do you see the difference BB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) I take it you're in the habit of placing blame on 20 something year old kids, for the actions of their parents, or in Bush's case, the action of his step father, LaMar Griffin? For me, I tend to think a better measure of a person, is what they have actually done, not their parents or step parents. LINK Attorney's letter says Bush family got $100,000 By Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports April 29, 2006 An attorney for Michael Michaels – the man who owns the Spring Valley, Calif., home in which Reggie Bush's family lived for nearly a year – outlined intentions Friday to file a $3.2 million lawsuit claiming Michaels was defrauded of "large sums of money" by Bush's parents, Denise and LaMar Griffin, during a business relationship. One document obtained by Yahoo! Sports alleges the Bush family received "over $100,000 in cash disbursements" from Michaels and New Era Sports & Entertainment associate Lloyd Lake between November 2004 and February 2006. If the alleged payments indeed began in 2004, USC's national championship following that season could be in jeopardy. According to a statement released by Michaels' attorney, Brian Watkins, Bush's family started receiving money from Michaels almost immediately after he decided he would become an investor in New Era – the firm that was allegedly the creation of LaMar Griffin and Lloyd Lake. Watkins said Michaels and Lake gave the money to the Griffins because they believed it was necessary to ensure Reggie Bush would be a future client of the firm. "As Mr. Griffin, Mr. Lake and Mr. Michaels began working on the technicalities of the company, ongoing meetings with Mr. Griffin began to reveal that Reggie's continued participation came with conditions," the statement released by Watkins reads. "Mr. Griffin suggested that in order to 'keep them happy,' Michaels and Lake would have to help them with some of their personal problems. The first order of business was that Mr. Griffin needed to clear up some debt,' a sum of $28,000 in order to help him focus' on the enterprise. The Griffins presented Mr. Michaels with a prepared spreadsheet of existing debt. Mr. Michaels paid $28,000 in good faith to settle the Griffins' debts. "In point of fact, Lamar and Denise Griffin, Reggie Bush's parents, with Reggie Bush's knowledge, defrauded our clients out of large sums of money by holding out the carrot of Bush's future football career in order to entice our clients to invest in their sports and entertainment company." ... The ramifications of the latest round of allegations from Watkins and Michaels could have serious implications for USC. The scope of the family's involvement with New Era Sports & Entertainment – once thought to span only 2005 – now goes back to November 2004, according to Watkins' assertions, and could potentially bring into question the Trojans' national football championship from that season. Per NCAA rules, if Bush is found to have been intimately involved with the New Era business scheme and his family is found to have taken financial inducements from Michaels, USC's entire 2005 season – and a portion of 2004 – could be subject to serious scrutiny by the NCAA. Asked for an assessment of the latest allegations, an NCAA source said Friday that the claims of Michaels and Watkins are likely to draw keen interest from college sports' governing body. ********************************************* LETTER TO DAVID CORNWELL Yahoo! Sports obtained one of the three letters Michael Michaels' attorney, Brian Watkins, sent to David Cornwell, the lawyer of Reggie Bush. The letter is dated Feb. 13, 2006. Dear David, I apologize for the delay in following up to our previous meeting. Our position has changed in that we now wish to mend our relationship with Mr. Bush and seek to develop a new business relationship with him. We still hope that we can maintain a relationship with him and have a future business relationship with him. Please discuss this with your client and advise if he desires the same. If this is also desirable to him, we will in a good faith effort to resolve prior business dealings agree to settle the matter for $3.2 million. This amount does include 3 million in lost capital but does not include over $100,000.00 in cash disbursements to your clients. We would also be amendable to entering into a confidentiality agreement at your request. Please advise if it is your intention to involve the University in these settlement negotiations. We would not object to their participation as we understand their wanting to be involved due to the fact this matter was ongoing during their championship season of 2004 as well as the entire season of 2005, and any lawsuit filed might have an adverse effect on them. Your prompt attention to this matter is appreciated, because if a civil filing is necessary we do not wish to needlessly delay it. Sincerely, Brian E. Watkins and Associates ******************************************************** LINK Bush remains evasive over possible lawsuit By Jim Trotter UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER June 28, 2006 CARLSBAD – For the first time since arriving at the NFL Rookie Symposium on Sunday, Saints running back Reggie Bush yesterday agreed to an interview request. With one provision: He would not answer any questions about whether he and his family violated NCAA rules last year during his final season at USC. “I cannot comment on that because there's a possible lawsuit pending,” he said. Later, during a break in a youth football clinic at La Costa Resort & Spa, he said: “Today is about the kids and the Rookie Symposium, so I don't feel like that would be something that I want to address today. So, anybody else that has questions about that, there you go.” The attorney for two investors whose failed sports marketing company sought to represent Bush is claiming that Bush and his parents defrauded his clients of $300,000 in cash, start-up costs and back rent. Brian Watkins contends that Bush and his parents backed out of an oral agreement in which Bush would have been the primary client of New Era Sports and Entertainment, the fledgling marketing agency whose investors included Michael Michaels and Lloyd Lake, each of whom is represented by Watkins. Edited July 31, 2006 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 YES. I believe most rookies who hold out of training camp suffer from a small amount of character inadequacy -- naive stupidity. Fair enough answer.Most don't realize how important their first TC is, but they should. Does that mean they're going to be stupid the rest of their careers? Or that they'll all turn into troublemakers? What do you think?I disagree that the players don't realize how important TC is. I'm sure they're well aware of the potential consequences. Plenty of historical data and they'd just about have to be insulated on some desert island not to know. I think what we see these young men doing, is weighing the importance of their 1st NFL contract (normally a 5 or 6 year length, for high draft picks) to attendance of TC's and making a decision based on parameters / circumstances that you & me are generally unaware of. I do not think we can apply the blanket stereotype of character inadequacy, to rookie holdouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 i think big score and bronco billy are married ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 LINK During a 40-minute interview, Watkins laid out a timeline for the rise and fall of New Era Sports & Entertainment, along with the relationship between Michaels and the Bush family. Among the significant points alleged: - November 2004 – LaMar Griffin and Lake approached Michaels about investing in the sports agency. Watkins said Michaels met Bush and his family for the first time around this date, and was led to believe that the agency would eventually have Bush as a client. "There was the representation that Reggie would come with his stepfather," Watkins said. "Reggie ratified that." Shortly thereafter, Michaels introduced Griffin to the Sycuan Indian Tribe's governing council, at which time Griffin asked the tribe – while wearing a Bush USC jersey – to become investors in the agency. After the tribe declined, it was agreed that the partnership in the agency would be a three-way split between Michaels, Lake and Bush's family, according to Watkins. - April 2005 – Michaels allowed the Bush family to move into a new home he had purchased in Spring Valley. The rent for staying at the home was to have been $4,500 a month, according to Watkins. "LaMar and Denise had financial problems," Watkins said. "Then it became, ‘Oh, we need a little something. We need a little money here, we need a little money there. But don't worry, it will all be paid back with our profits from the business.' They were saying this to Michael, who was carrying the lion's share of the money put into New Era. Michael Michaels had purchased a home, and hadn't rented it out. Around this time, the Griffin family needed a place to live. Michael Michaels let them move into the house." - September 2005 through November, 2005 – Michaels provided money to help the Bush family travel to some road games during USC's season. Watkins did not specify the exact amounts given or the dates of travel to Yahoo! Sports. "Yes, there was support there," Watkins said. "The [Griffins] said, ‘Don't worry about it. We'll pay it all back. It's all part of the business.' " - October 2005– Michaels and Lake contact San Diego-based agent David Caravantes about a role with New Era Sports & Entertainment. Michaels and Lake offered to facilitate an interview with the Bush family. - November 2005 – Reports surface that Bush and his family are being advised by Reebok consultant Mike Ornstein. - December 2005 to January 2006 – Communication breaks down between Michaels and the Bush family. Bush hires agent Joel Segal by mid-January. With New Era out of the picture, Michaels considers ways to recoup his investment from the Bush family. "It fell apart when all of the sudden, LaMar Griffin and Denise would not return phone calls," Watkins said. "Voicemail messages, wouldn't return phone calls – they are missing in action." - April 2006 – Yahoo! Sports approached Denise Griffin about the home April 20. Less than 24 hours later, the family began packing up the house and the residence was vacated by April 22. One day later, Yahoo! Sports published a report about the house, including information that USC had requested a Pac-10 inquiry. The allegations by Watkins and Michaels conflict with some recent statements by Bush and his camp. Bush has denied knowing the financial arrangement between Michaels and his parents for the Spring Valley home, and he also denied ever having an agreement in place to join New Era Sports. Bush, who is expected to be the No. 1 pick in this weekend's NFL draft, declined to answer questions about the rental agreement again on Thursday, when several top prospects met with the media in New York. According to Watkins, the $300,000 figure "includes rent for the house and everything else" provided by Michaels. The remainder of the $3.2 million in the suit is for punitive damages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 i think big score and bronco billy are married ... He's not my type. He only has 2 legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 LINK Attorney's letter says Bush family got $100,000 By Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports April 29, 2006 An attorney for Michael Michaels – the man who owns the Spring Valley, Calif., home in which Reggie Bush's family lived for nearly a year – outlined intentions Friday to file a $3.2 million lawsuit claiming Michaels was defrauded of "large sums of money" by Bush's parents, Denise and LaMar Griffin, during a business relationship. One document obtained by Yahoo! Sports alleges the Bush family received "over $100,000 in cash disbursements" from Michaels and New Era Sports & Entertainment associate Lloyd Lake between November 2004 and February 2006. If the alleged payments indeed began in 2004, USC's national championship following that season could be in jeopardy. According to a statement released by Michaels' attorney, Brian Watkins, Bush's family started receiving money from Michaels almost immediately after he decided he would become an investor in New Era – the firm that was allegedly the creation of LaMar Griffin and Lloyd Lake. Watkins said Michaels and Lake gave the money to the Griffins because they believed it was necessary to ensure Reggie Bush would be a future client of the firm. "As Mr. Griffin, Mr. Lake and Mr. Michaels began working on the technicalities of the company, ongoing meetings with Mr. Griffin began to reveal that Reggie's continued participation came with conditions," the statement released by Watkins reads. "Mr. Griffin suggested that in order to 'keep them happy,' Michaels and Lake would have to help them with some of their personal problems. The first order of business was that Mr. Griffin needed to clear up some debt,' a sum of $28,000 in order to help him focus' on the enterprise. The Griffins presented Mr. Michaels with a prepared spreadsheet of existing debt. Mr. Michaels paid $28,000 in good faith to settle the Griffins' debts. "In point of fact, Lamar and Denise Griffin, Reggie Bush's parents, with Reggie Bush's knowledge, defrauded our clients out of large sums of money by holding out the carrot of Bush's future football career in order to entice our clients to invest in their sports and entertainment company." ... The ramifications of the latest round of allegations from Watkins and Michaels could have serious implications for USC. The scope of the family's involvement with New Era Sports & Entertainment – once thought to span only 2005 – now goes back to November 2004, according to Watkins' assertions, and could potentially bring into question the Trojans' national football championship from that season. Per NCAA rules, if Bush is found to have been intimately involved with the New Era business scheme and his family is found to have taken financial inducements from Michaels, USC's entire 2005 season – and a portion of 2004 – could be subject to serious scrutiny by the NCAA. Asked for an assessment of the latest allegations, an NCAA source said Friday that the claims of Michaels and Watkins are likely to draw keen interest from college sports' governing body. ********************************************* LETTER TO DAVID CORNWELL Yahoo! Sports obtained one of the three letters Michael Michaels' attorney, Brian Watkins, sent to David Cornwell, the lawyer of Reggie Bush. The letter is dated Feb. 13, 2006. Dear David, I apologize for the delay in following up to our previous meeting. Our position has changed in that we now wish to mend our relationship with Mr. Bush and seek to develop a new business relationship with him. We still hope that we can maintain a relationship with him and have a future business relationship with him. Please discuss this with your client and advise if he desires the same. If this is also desirable to him, we will in a good faith effort to resolve prior business dealings agree to settle the matter for $3.2 million. This amount does include 3 million in lost capital but does not include over $100,000.00 in cash disbursements to your clients. We would also be amendable to entering into a confidentiality agreement at your request. Please advise if it is your intention to involve the University in these settlement negotiations. We would not object to their participation as we understand their wanting to be involved due to the fact this matter was ongoing during their championship season of 2004 as well as the entire season of 2005, and any lawsuit filed might have an adverse effect on them. Your prompt attention to this matter is appreciated, because if a civil filing is necessary we do not wish to needlessly delay it. Sincerely, Brian E. Watkins and Associates ******************************************************** LINK Bush remains evasive over possible lawsuit By Jim Trotter UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER June 28, 2006 CARLSBAD – For the first time since arriving at the NFL Rookie Symposium on Sunday, Saints running back Reggie Bush yesterday agreed to an interview request. With one provision: He would not answer any questions about whether he and his family violated NCAA rules last year during his final season at USC. “I cannot comment on that because there's a possible lawsuit pending,” he said. Later, during a break in a youth football clinic at La Costa Resort & Spa, he said: “Today is about the kids and the Rookie Symposium, so I don't feel like that would be something that I want to address today. So, anybody else that has questions about that, there you go.” The attorney for two investors whose failed sports marketing company sought to represent Bush is claiming that Bush and his parents defrauded his clients of $300,000 in cash, start-up costs and back rent. Brian Watkins contends that Bush and his parents backed out of an oral agreement in which Bush would have been the primary client of New Era Sports and Entertainment, the fledgling marketing agency whose investors included Michael Michaels and Lloyd Lake, each of whom is represented by Watkins. Of course New ERA is going to say this agreement was entered into with Reggie's knowledge. They're after $3.2 million dollars, which I think they would have trouble getting (they're going to anyway) if they said anything other than what they are. Now you have to decide for yourself if, you believe what a shady character like Michael Michaels & the New ERA business, with known gangster ties, are trying to say while putting the squeeze on Reggie Bush for $3.2 million dollars, is 100% factual or not. As for me? I'm highly skeptical about New ERA's asceretations of Reggie's complicit involvement, especially considering their known criminal ties. I would also tend to pay more attention to the actual sworn testimony of the plantiffs, than I would a journalistic write up. But hey! That's just me. If you want to put stock into what gangsters & criminals are saying, while trying to get $3.2 million dollars, you go right ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 Of course New ERA is going to say this agreement was entered into with Reggie's knowledge. They're after $3.2 million dollars, which I think they would have trouble getting (they're going to anyway) if they said anything other than what they are. Now you have to decide for yourself if, you believe what a shady character like Michael Michaels & the New ERA business, with known gangster ties, are trying to say while putting the squeeze on Reggie Bush for $3.2 million dollars, is 100% factual or not. As for me? I'm highly skeptical about New ERA's asceretations of Reggie's complicit involvement, especially considering their known criminal ties. I would also tend to pay more attention to the actual sworn testimony of the plantiffs, than I would a journalistic write up. But hey! That's just me. If you want to put stock into what gangsters & criminals are saying, while trying to get $3.2 million dollars, you go right ahead. BS then puts head firmly back in the sand.... I've just got to ask - what kind of business, even one that has gang bangers as owners, is going to provide the financial wherewithall to Bush's parents if they didn't think they had some kind of solid agreement with Bush himself? We aren't talking about $10,000 in seed money so an agent can get a foot in the door through the parents to talk to Bush - we're talking an estimated $300,000 in total benefits. And what kid with any intelligence whatsoever - especially a high profile DI player - isn't going to ask questions when parents suddenly move into a $4000/month house, get caught up on all their debts, and are flying out to every road game to see him play, when that kind of lifestyle was clearly out of the Bush family's ability to sustain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 BS then puts head firmly back in the sand.... I've just got to ask - what kind of business, even one that has gang bangers as owners, is going to provide the financial wherewithall to Bush's parents if they didn't think they had some kind of solid agreement with Bush himself? We aren't talking about $10,000 in seed money so an agent can get a foot in the door through the parents to talk to Bush - we're talking an estimated $300,000 in total benefits. And what kid with any intelligence whatsoever - especially a high profile DI player - isn't going to ask questions when parents suddenly move into a $4000/month house, get caught up on all their debts, and are flying out to every road game to see him play, when that kind of lifestyle was clearly out of the Bush family's ability to sustain? Yeah...right...sure...you betcha BB. Check my post in this thread, with the transcripts of actual sworn testimony from the plaintiffs attorney Marc Carlos here Post #139 - page 6. Also, from my understanding, Michael Michaels and his financial backers still own the house in question right? It's not like the investment was lost money. It's Real Estate and ownership is still maintained. I've no doubt Reggie eventually became aware of the arrangement, but it seems after the fact if we go by the sworn testimony of the plaintiffs own attorney. But as I said, if you want to put stock into some shady characters with known gangster ties, trying to put the squeeze on Reggie for $3.2 million dollars, knock yourself out, but just tell me again, exactly who is it that's putting their head in the sand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 BS then puts head firmly back in the sand.... I've just got to ask - what kind of business, even one that has gang bangers as owners, is going to provide the financial wherewithall to Bush's parents if they didn't think they had some kind of solid agreement with Bush himself? We aren't talking about $10,000 in seed money so an agent can get a foot in the door through the parents to talk to Bush - we're talking an estimated $300,000 in total benefits. And what kid with any intelligence whatsoever - especially a high profile DI player - isn't going to ask questions when parents suddenly move into a $4000/month house, get caught up on all their debts, and are flying out to every road game to see him play, when that kind of lifestyle was clearly out of the Bush family's ability to sustain? It's hard for me to fault them if they were in agreement with the agency. Not trying to defend him or his family, but how many people coming from his background would turn that down? It's unfortunate they wouldn't have the foresight to see what kind of trouble it could bring, but it's the equivilent of dangling a steak in front of a hungry dogs mouth & expecting him not to eat it. I'd be willing to bet these days there are very few top players who aren't guilty of at least some form bribe, etc. Still that's no excuse... It's a shame the NCAA is so restricitve on this issue. If they would at least allow players to collect on endorsement deals then all this would would go away. Hopefully if the Bush family are guilty of all that they are being accused of then he/they realize their mistake now & will try their best to atone for it. It certainly does seem like that is so with all the charity work he has done so far. Hopefully eventually that will pay off & restore his reputation to those like you who think of him as just a punk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) Yeah...right...sure...you betcha BB. Check my post in this thread, with the transcripts of actual sworn testimony from the plaintiffs attorney Marc Carlos here Post #139 - page 6. Also, from my understanding, Michael Michaels and his financial backers still own the house in question right? It's not like the investment was lost money. It's Real Estate and ownership is still maintained. I've no doubt Reggie eventually became aware of the arrangement, but it seems after the fact if we go by the sworn testimony of the plaintiffs own attorney. Living in a house rent free for a year when comparable rents in the same neighborhood are $4000/month is NO loss of income to the homeowner - according to you - just because the company still owns the house? And 2004 occurs after 2005 chronologically to you? Just what kind of sense of logic do you possess? It is unlike any that I have ever seen before, and apparently justifies & rationalizes any negative news for those that you worship. Does it even occur to you that Bush might have had a role in the business deal, instead of finding one excuse or another to simply dismiss it out of hand? Edited July 31, 2006 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) Living in a house rent free for a year when comparable rents in the same neighborhood are $4000/month is NO loss of income to the homeowner - according to you - just because the company still owns the house? And 2004 occurs after 2005 chronologically to you? Just what kind of sense of logic do you possess? It is unlike any that I have ever seen before, and apparently justifies & rationalizes any negative news for those that you worship. Does it even occur to you that Bush might have had a role in the business deal, instead of finding one excuse or another to simply dismiss it out of hand? I worship Bush huh? My thanks to you once again for telling me how I think. But to the point. Apparently it occurs to me, just as much as Bush might not have had any initial involvement in the original deal, occurs to you. Apparently it occurs to me, that Michael Michaels, the gangsters involved with New ERA & the Sycuan Indian tribe just might have seen an opportunity to get their hooks into a rising star through a deal too good to refuse, via the step father. It also occurs to me, that the potential pay off for the gangsters at New ERA, to reel in Reggie Bush as a client, through obligating him via a shady deal his step father got involved in, was a deemed an acceptable trade off for the free rent. I'd also say the sworn testimony of the plaintiffs own attorney is hardly finding one excuse after another. Unless of course, it is your position that the plaintiffs own attorney, is giving false testimony which is detrimental to his clients case. Stranger things have happened, but an attorney sabotaging his clients case, would be pretty unusual. But I'm not surprised that you are dismissing the sworn testimony of the plaintiffs attorney. The first post in this thread by you was negative against Bush. When I pointed out the Saints GM said the Bush negotiations were on a normal course, you dismissed that out of hand. When I gave you the bait of the rumor Reggie might holdout for the year, you swallowed it hook, line & sinker. To you, it's obvious that Reggie Bush is guilty until proven innocent. Thank God people like you, are in the minority and we have laws in place to curb such draconian views. Edited July 31, 2006 by Big Score 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Wrap it up fellas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 I'd also say the sworn testimony of the plaintiffs own attorney is hardly finding one excuse after another. You've mentioned this several times now. Please provide the testimony with a link. Persuade me with evidence other than your opinion - just like I provide information from other sources than my own opion with links for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 Wrap it up fellas. Thought for you: If you don't want to read the discussion, don't open the thread. TIA for your cooperation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 You've mentioned this several times now. Please provide the testimony with a link. Persuade me with evidence other than your opinion - just like I provide information from other sources than my own opion with links for you. You do? Actually BB, you're the one saying all the goodwill work Bush has done is purely for mercenary reasons and he could really give a rats rear end about the people. How about you providing a credible source backing that statement? You're the one saying all the goodwill work is part of some grand master plan to make the Saints FO look bad. How about you providing a credible source backing that statement? You're the one saying Bush orchestrated the deal that put his Mom & Step Dad in a house. How about you providing a credible source backing that statement? If you can provide credible sources, not just idle speculation by a reporter, that are cold hard indisputable facts, backing any of your above statements and showing the Bush camp initiated the season long holdout talk, then I'll concede the points. I asked for those links a few days ago ago and I'm still waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Thought for you: If you don't want to read the discussion, don't open the thread. TIA for your cooperation. Thought for you: at some point this thread stops being about fantasy football and starts to become a sword fight. I'll let you pick the post it happened in, but after 8 pages, it has happened. FWIW: I thought he'd holdout this entire time. Boy was I wrong and I'm happy for NO. Now....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Yeah this thread really needs to end. Bush did not holdout (well a day & a half, if you call that a holdout) and that's that. All the other Reggie Bush crap, is honestly superfolous to the original topic of this thread. I'm done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 You do? I asked for those links a few days ago ago and I'm still waiting. I assume that means that you can't provide any testimony that you are citing with any kind of link to refute the sources with links that I provided that accuse Bush of knowingly entering into a contract with New Era that provided a rent free house, cash, & travel/tickets to his family and then renegging on the deal. The rest is supposition based upon experience and upon character judgments made about Bush after reading material like that above where he allegedly took signed a deal with New Era as explained previously, which in turn if true will end up most likely harming his former team mates & USC significantly - he's already put them in the path of a NCAA investigation. Now, about that tesimony that you say you have exonerating Bush..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I assume You can assume what you want. You do anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 You can assume what you want. You do anyway. Now I agree with the others. The thread has ceased to be useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogohawk Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Now I agree with the others. The thread has ceased to be useful. pad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Although somewhat entertaining, in a 'he said-she said, pre-trial media hype' sort of way. Potential perjury aside, the truth (or reasonable facsimile of it) should all come out soon in the courts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Guilty as sin. Insightful and to the point. Let's call a spade a spade shall we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 it's kinda fun to see a thread that you haven't yet clicked on, where the headline is old news and the sucka is on like 8 pages. you know it's degenerated into some sort of ridiculous tangent flame-war, you just have to go to the last page to find out the particulars. so what do we find, another asinine BB/BS spat? eh, kinda boring. was hoping for more of a pile-on where some newbie is telling everyone else to get a life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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