Grits and Shins Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Optional 2 player keeper league with fairly standard performance scoring, no points for receptions. Start 1 RB, 3 WRs and 1 Flex (RB/WR), no TE. 18 RBs were kept 1 WR was kept 4 QBs were kept You lose the draft pick that corresponds with where you originally drafted the player. I kept Torry Holt for a 2nd round pick and Steven Jackson for a 6th round pick. I drew the 3rd pick (draft snakes). 1.01 = Clinton Portis (19th RB off the board) 1.02 = Steve Smith (2nd WR off the board) Now it's my pick, if you look at the Huddle performance ranking the best RBs on the board are Westbrook, DDavis (last of tier 2) and KJones (1st of tier 3). Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald and Marvin Harrison are all tier 1 WRs left on the board. My next pick is 17 picks away (3.03, Holt is my 2.10). What do you do? Take a tier 2/3 RB to make sure I have 2 or take a top notch WR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 (edited) if it were me i take wesbrook. it's all about scarcity and given the scarcity of the quality RBs left, you need to grab one. that gives you two solid backs and the #1 WR which is a nice position to be in. given all the WRs are still out there, you should still be able to grab a decent pair coming back to go with holt. Edited August 14, 2006 by tonorator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Top notch WR. There's a bigger point differential between the WR you could get now as opposed to later than the RB now and later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 27.365 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted August 14, 2006 Author Share Posted August 14, 2006 if it were me i take wesbrook. it's all about scarcity and given the scarcity of the quality RBs left, you need to grab one. that gives you two solid backs and the #1 WR which is a nice position to be in. given all the WRs are still out there, you should still be able to grab a decent pair coming back to go with smith. Both him and DDavis having injury histories that have me nervous. A healthy Westbrook would certainly contribute nicely ... but will he be there in my playoff run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I would go with Westbrook. 1.) IMO there is more sleeper WR's this year than any year I can remember. 2.) 17 picks later the quality of RB you will be able to get will be so low you may end up picking WR again. 3.) Jackson is great value as a 6th rounder, but I would want another very good back to go with him. 4.) Chad Johnson - Who knows when Palmer will actually be healthy. 5.)Randy Moss - has been injury prone the last few years constantly get Hammies. 6.) Terrell Owens - wonder what happens when he figures out he is on a run 1st team? 7.)Anquan Boldin - The Cardinals will run the ball alot more this year. I do not expect those huge numbers like last year for either Cardinal WR this year. 8.)Larry Fitzgerald - see Boldin 9.)Marvin Harrison - Wayne keeps getting better. I know Westbrook is injury prone but I would grab him and use him when he is healthy because he is a monster. his receiving yards makes him a solid start even against teams good against the run.I would start him over Jackson while he is healthy myself and have Jackson as my flex . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Both him and DDavis having injury histories that have me nervous. A healthy Westbrook would certainly contribute nicely ... but will he be there in my playoff run? i can't say, but who knows who will be there at the end of the season? westbrook will be that offense if he holds up and that, for me, is just too much potential to pass up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted August 14, 2006 Author Share Posted August 14, 2006 Here is how the RBs finished in our league last year: # Ovr Player 1 1 Alexander, Shaun SEA RB 363.82 2 Johnson, Larry KCC RB 335.33 3 Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB 316.954 4 Barber, Tiki NYG RB 3075 5 James, Edgerrin ARI RB 268.36 7 Portis, Clinton WAS RB 246.367 11 Johnson, Rudi CIN RB 227.18 12 Jordan, Lamont OAK RB 226.89 21 Jones, Thomas CHI RB 202.910 25 Anderson, Mike BAL RB 200.611 27 Jackson, Steven STL RB 196.612 33 Dunn, Warrick ATL RB 187.613 37 McGahee, Willis BUF RB 172.614 38 Parker, Willie PIT RB 172.615 39 Droughns, Reuben CLE RB 172.316 42 Dillon, Corey NEP RB 169.417 43 Davis, Domanick HOU RB 167.318 44 Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 16719 52 Williams, Carnell TBB RB 161.920 54 Brown, Chris TEN RB 159.821 56 Jones, Julius DAL RB 152.222 58 Bell, Tatum DEN RB 150.523 67 Brown, Ronnie MIA RB 143.924 69 Foster, De'shaun CAR RB 143.425 76 Lewis, Jamal BAL RB 133.726 82 Davis, Stephen FA RB 131.127 109 Williams, Ricky MIA RB 119.728 112 Moore, Mewelde MIN RB 118.729 120 Martin, Curtis NYJ RB 115.330 137 Gado, Samkon GBP RB 107.9 He got hurt week 13 and was out the remainder of the year ... during FF playoffs. Do we know he is fully recovered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Here is how the RBs finished in our league last year: Do we know he is fully recovered? i know he looked damn good in his first pre-season game, but does have a sprained foot. Running back Brian Westbrook and defensive tackle Darwin Walker are still out, Westbrook with a sprained foot and Walker with a broken rib. Reid said Westbrook is day-to-day but probably won't play in Baltimore. “He most likely won't be ready,” Reid said. this is the other foot (left) vs. the one he sprained last year (right) and this sprain doesn't look to be as bad. he still has a month to heal up which they are saying should be fine. clearly you have a risk/reward situation here. you only mentioned 3 backs in your initial post and i would assume they would be all gone when it comes back around to you. you have to look at what kind of RB2 you would be faced with if you passed. i would take this risk ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted August 14, 2006 Author Share Posted August 14, 2006 i know he looked damn good in his first pre-season game, but does have a sprained foot. this is the other foot (left) vs. the one he sprained last year (right) and this sprain doesn't look to be as bad. he still has a month to heal up which they are saying should be fine. clearly you have a risk/reward situation here. you only mentioned 3 backs in your initial post and i would assume they would be all gone when it comes back around to you. you have to look at what kind of RB2 you would be faced with if you passed. i would take this risk ... Did you notice that I don't have to start 2 RBs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolv Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 The fact you only need to start 1 RB makes the choice easy for me. I'd rather have a CJ/Fitz/Owens in that spot. I'm partial to Owens this year, but any of those 3 would pair nicely with Holt. There will still be a few diamonds in the rough at RB later in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borge007 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Since you start one RB, I'd take the best WR available. Since the tier one WR could be considered interchangeable-your choice. You'll probably need to "find" a RB that's a "sleeper". Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Did you notice that I don't have to start 2 RBs? i still like westy in the flex spot, but i did miss that. this would open the door to go WR if you like (feels like that's how you are leaning ...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Optional 2 player keeper league with fairly standard performance scoring, no points for receptions. Start 1 RB, 3 WRs and 1 Flex (RB/WR), no TE. 18 RBs were kept 1 WR was kept 4 QBs were kept You lose the draft pick that corresponds with where you originally drafted the player. I kept Torry Holt for a 2nd round pick and Steven Jackson for a 6th round pick. I drew the 3rd pick (draft snakes). 1.01 = Clinton Portis (19th RB off the board) 1.02 = Steve Smith (2nd WR off the board) Now it's my pick, if you look at the Huddle performance ranking the best RBs on the board are Westbrook, DDavis (last of tier 2) and KJones (1st of tier 3). Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald and Marvin Harrison are all tier 1 WRs left on the board. My next pick is 17 picks away (3.03, Holt is my 2.10). What do you do? Take a tier 2/3 RB to make sure I have 2 or take a top notch WR? Westbrook is the easy pick. It's a question of availability. There is a chance he will get hurt, sure. There's also a chance that he will put up dominating numbers that those WRs can't really approach. The simple fact is that it is much easier to find an opportunity at WR than it is to find one at RB, and it's also easier to get a starting WR for a team than it is to get a starting RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish247 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 as only 1 RB is required it would be hard to pass up rolling with a core lineup that looked like this: SJax Holt Starvin Marvin/CJ/Fitz you'd have 2 of the top 4-6 WRs while others are scrambling to field 3 competent WRs and possibly a 4th with the flex spot. not sure how many teams in the league, but i imagine at least one will be jonesing for a top WR after a couple of weeks and you may be able to flip Holt or one of the other 3 mentioned for another Tier 2 RB to pair with SJax. just my $0.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I like Davis and Chad Johnson the best of the players you listed. Davis only because fundamentally, I cannot fathom not taking 2 RBs in the first 3 rounds. Given your starting requirements, not just 1 RB but the fact you must start 3 WRs, I'd be inclined to work on filling out my starting roster first. I'd take Chad Johnson. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted August 14, 2006 Author Share Posted August 14, 2006 I took Chad Johnson ... but it was a hard decision 1.01 - Clinton Portis 1.02 - Steve Smith 1.03 - Chad Johnson 1.04 - Brian Westbrook 1.06 - Larry Fitzgerald 1.07 - Julius Jones 1.11 - Randy Moss So far in the first round 3 RBs taken, 4 WRs taken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Men In Tights Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I took Chad Johnson ... but it was a hard decision 1.01 - Clinton Portis 1.02 - Steve Smith 1.03 - Chad Johnson 1.04 - Brian Westbrook 1.06 - Larry Fitzgerald 1.07 - Julius Jones 1.11 - Randy Moss So far in the first round 3 RBs taken, 4 WRs taken I just started reading this now. I like this pick a lot. With all those RB's kept I figured WR's would dominate the first rounds of the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish247 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 i think the choice was pretty clear. i can't imagine drafting a reliably knicked up Westbrook with CJ/Fitz still on the board. especially in that roster format. good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 if it were me i take wesbrook. it's all about scarcity and given the scarcity of the quality RBs left, you need to grab one. that gives you two solid backs and the #1 WR which is a nice position to be in. given all the WRs are still out there, you should still be able to grab a decent pair coming back to go with smith. That's what I thought originally but only having to start one makes it a coin flip and since you seem to be wanting a WR it was a good choice to take Johnson. Funny how the guy after you takes Westy probably made you think. Oh I forgot you're ignoring me so you can't read this as you think what I have to say is unimportant. Oh well... 27.365 Should be my answer for him. Westbrook is the easy pick. It's a question of availability. There is a chance he will get hurt, sure. There's also a chance that he will put up dominating numbers that those WRs can't really approach. The simple fact is that it is much easier to find an opportunity at WR than it is to find one at RB, and it's also easier to get a starting WR for a team than it is to get a starting RB. Part of my coin toss, it could be argued either way. Tough choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 (edited) 27.365 95.234 I'll say get Westy. Edited August 14, 2006 by broncosn05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhoops Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I like Davis and Chad Johnson the best of the players you listed. Davis only because fundamentally, I cannot fathom not taking 2 RBs in the first 3 rounds. Given your starting requirements, not just 1 RB but the fact you must start 3 WRs, I'd be inclined to work on filling out my starting roster first. I'd take Chad Johnson. Good luck. Hey Grits....I posted a similar question (not keeper and diff start req.) I to would have taken Johnson, especially with your starting req. Good Luck with the rest of your draft and check out mine if you have a sec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted August 14, 2006 Author Share Posted August 14, 2006 (edited) Round 1 1.01 - Clinton Portis 1.02 - Steve Smith 1.03 - Chad Johnson 1.04 - Brian Westbrook 1.05 - (K) Carnell Williams 1.06 - Larry Fitzgerald 1.07 - Julius Jones 1.08 - (K) Edgerrin James 1.09 - (K) LaDanian Tomlinson 1.10 - (K) Shaun Alexander 1.11 - Randy Moss 1.12 - Terrell Owens Round 2 2.01 - Marvin Harrison 2.02 - Anquan Boldin 2.03 - Reggie Bush 2.04 - 2.05 - 2.06 - 2.07 - 2.08 - 2.09 - 2.10 - (K) Torry Holt 2.11 - (K) Rudi Johnson 2.12 - (K) Ronnie Brown Round 3 3.01 - 3.02 - 3.03 - My next pick Edited August 14, 2006 by Grits and Shins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted August 14, 2006 Author Share Posted August 14, 2006 And so falls Reggie Bush with the 3rd pick of the 2nd round ... to the team with SAlexander and CBenson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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