rajncajn Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 (edited) http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...ay.html?ref=rss If he can stay healthy I'd much rather have him as a Saint than Zach Thomas even if he can't start right away. Jonathan Vilma can fly away BY RICH CIMINI DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Friday, February 22nd 2008, 4:00 AM Jonathan Vilma's days with the Jets are numbered. The popular linebacker, whose star has dimmed in two seasons under Eric Mangini, has received permission from the Jets to shop himself for a potential trade, the Daily News has learned. It doesn't mean a trade is a certainty, but it's a tacit acknowledgement from both sides that Vilma and Mangini's 3-4 scheme aren't a match. Vilma, with one year remaining on his rookie contract, also is looking for a long-term deal. Now, with the Jets' blessing, he has the ability to speak with any team. If he agrees to a new contract, it will be up to that team and the Jets to negotiate trade compensation. The Jets could keep him, but they know they won't receive anything next year if he bolts as a free agent. A team spokeman declined comment. It's unclear what the Jets are seeking, but there's no doubt that Vilma's value took a hit because of major knee surgery last November. Vilma has started jogging and hopes to be running full speed in about a month, he wrote this week on his Web site. If he can show he's healthy before the April 26 draft, it will greatly enhance his stock. Sources believe the Jets could get a third-round pick, perhaps slightly higher, for a healthy Vilma. The Jaguars and Saints are believed to be among the potential suitors. The Saints have made no secret of their desire to acquire a middle linebacker, as they've already made an offer to former Dolphin Zach Thomas. Former Jets defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson was recently hired by the Jaguars as an assistant, which explains their interest. Edited February 22, 2008 by rajncajn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Sounds good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziachild007 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 (edited) Saints makes great sense, but I thought Peterson has done a decent enough job at MLB for the Jags, other than injuries the past couple of years. Edited February 22, 2008 by Ziachild007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Would I love to see him play MLB for DEN and put DJ Williams back at OLB where he belongs. How do the Jets feel about acquiring Javon Walker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 other than injuries the past couple of years. That's been the problem. He can't stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 That's been the problem. He can't stay healthy. He could stay healthy in DEN. DEN D players are taught to avoid contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 He could stay healthy in DEN. DEN D players are taught to avoid contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Would I love to see him play MLB for DEN and put DJ Williams back at OLB where he belongs. How do the Jets feel about acquiring Javon Walker? I'd take J Walker for Vilma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Would I love to see him play MLB for DEN and put DJ Williams back at OLB where he belongs. How do the Jets feel about acquiring Javon Walker? took the words right outta my mouth those two boys were pretty solid together back at DA U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 He could stay healthy in DEN. DEN D players are taught to avoid contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myhousekey Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Jets Vilma to Jags or Saints? Jacksonville and New Orleans are among Jets LB Jonathan Vilma's likely destinations. The Jets are believed to be seeking a third-round pick. -- Newark Star-Ledger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Jets Vilma to Jags or Saints? If I'm the saints, I make the move right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msaint Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 not sure this has been noted yet, but he was given permission to seek a trade to any team but one....gee, can you guess which team that was? the jets are such b*tches. quite an inferiority complex going on down I-95. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 not sure this has been noted yet, Paging Big John... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Paging Big John... You rang? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 You rang? Effing clockwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 Jets Vilma to Jags or Saints? If I'm the saints, I make the move right now. A 3rd round pick for someone who could possibly never play a down and has declined the past 2 years? I'll pass... Now if they want to make it a conditional pick based on his play I'd be more than happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 (edited) A 3rd round pick for someone who could possibly never play a down and has declined the past 2 years? I'll pass... Now if they want to make it a conditional pick based on his play I'd be more than happy. I guess I missed the severity of the knee injury... I thought he was supposed to be ready to go at the start of the season... Although I don't think his decline in production was due to his skills declining, but playing in a system that he wasn't meant to play in. I retract my original statement... Edited February 26, 2008 by piratesownninjas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 I guess I missed the severity of the knee injury... I thought he was supposed to be ready to go at the start of the season... Although I don't think his decline in production was due to his skills declining, but playing in a system that he wasn't meant to play in. I retract my original statement... I'll try to find a link, but I've seen talk that the injury may be more of a reason for trading him than him not fitting the system. But I agree, if healthy I think he would be back to his old form in a 4-3. I would certainly love to have him & I think the risk-reward is much better than it would be with Zach or Morgan, but giving up a 3rd straight up may not be a good idea unless they really do their homework on his knee. I would be a heck of a lot more comfortable with a conditional pick even if it meant a Pro Bowl season equaled a 2nd rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 (edited) "Sources tell Black and Gold the Saints are interested in Linebacker Jonathan Vilma and possibly Cornerback Asante Samuel. Sources close to Black and Gold tell us that LB Jonathan Vilma may have visited the New Orleans Saints facility yesterday (Monday). If true, they can't determine if it was for a physical, workout or to discuss a contract, but they claim Vilma spent the majority of the day at the Saints facilities." http://blackandgold.com/news/latest/new-or...0080226122.html Edited February 26, 2008 by rajncajn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 http://blackandgold.com/news/latest/...080226122.html 404 You may have reached this page because you clicked an old or incorrect link. When we moved from .NET to .COM, we tried to move as many of our old links and images as possible. If you've reached this page, please use the main menu and click "Start" to return to the home page. To return to the forums click "Forums." Thank You!!! Black and Gold!! That would be quite an off season if they were to land Samuel and have Vilma return from an injury... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 Here's the link rajn was trying to post. http://blackandgold.com/news/latest/new-or...0080226122.html Thanks & I fixed my link as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish247 Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 I guess I missed the severity of the knee injury... I thought he was supposed to be ready to go at the start of the season... Although I don't think his decline in production was due to his skills declining, but playing in a system that he wasn't meant to play in. I retract my original statement... Details are sketchy at best regarding Vilma's knee issue... Vilma would not say if that was the type of surgery he had. “I can’t get into specifics,” he said. “I don’t know if I’m allowed to say or not.” What is known for certain is that Vilma was diagnosed with osteochondritis dissecans as a teenager. It's a bone defect that can cause instability and loose particles in joints, most commonly in knee joints. It sounds like it is a chronic, degenerative problem rather than anything that is career ending. The end game apparently is a certain type of arthritis. Sure sounds like a buyer beware thing with Vilma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 Thank you kingfish. I was also trying to find the info on him possibly needing microfracture surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myhousekey Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Per PFT's rumor mill POSTED 8:57 p.m. EST, February 26, 2008 VILMA TO LIONS? The New York Jets are shopping linebacker Jonathan Vilma, a 4-3 defender who has struggled in coach Eric Mangini's 3-4 system. A league source tells us that the current favorites to land Vilma are the Lions. Another question mark regarding Vilma is a knee injury that significantly limited him in 2007. If healthy, he's capable of creating real havoc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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