untateve Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I have a picture of Godzilla over my computer. He's standing over Toyko and you know he's not there to sell Avon products. Seriously. I really have a picture of Godzilla over my computer. I also have the hard plastic Godzilla monster toy. Godzilla is badass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I have a picture of Godzilla over my computer. He's standing over Toyko and you know he's not there to sell Avon products. Seriously. I really have a picture of Godzilla over my computer. I also have the hard plastic Godzilla monster toy. Godzilla is badass. Pfft. My office has a poster of the original movie, I have a Bendy Godzilla from the early 80's, a Shogun Warrior Godzilla on my desk and a 3rd Godzilla miniature from the 90's. Plus my desktop background is a picture of Jet Jaguar. yeah baby, your jealous of my desktop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Pfft. My office has a poster of the original movie, I have a Bendy Godzilla from the early 80's, a Shogun Warrior Godzilla on my desk and a 3rd Godzilla miniature from the 90's. Plus my desktop background is a picture of Jet Jaguar. yeah baby, your jealous of my desktop. there is a good chance u r ghey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Paul Revere and Dawes couldn't hold a candle to the real hero that day: Isaac Bissell. He rode 375 miles to carry a message to Philadelphia, spreading the news. Revere barely covered 20 miles. All that mileage covered and no mention of the horses. Pfftt... I find it interesting that the focus of this argument is whether we needed to drop atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end the war sooner. How quickly y'all forget that we firebombed Japan several times with many more casualties than were accounted for with the atomic bomb droppings. OK, lets continue a conventional war against Japan, we would have killed many more Japanese I assure you (but you'd feel better about that decision? ) But that isn't a convenient argument, is it? Sometimes I think the problem with debating history and the actions taken by leaders is taken in (in this case) the context of the year 2008 with how damaging we know nukes are now and the convenience of hind sight. Take a look at it in 1945 after this country and many others bled for 6 plus years and the socio-political landscape at the time, and then come back. And, the vanquished don't dictate terms of surrender, the victor does. Unconditional...what was lost in translation there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 It was done for the greater good... Asian Pron, Wii, Nintendo, and Pat Morita would never have come about. dude, you left out Bonsai Kittens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Itals Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Sometimes I think the problem with debating history and the actions taken by leaders is taken in (in this case) the context of the year 2008 with how damaging we know nukes are now and the convenience of hind sight. I'm actually convinced that if we hadn't dropped those nukes on Japan, a nuclear WWIII would have been fought by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 2 atomic bombs cleaned up Japan. We should've learned our lesson from that and done the same in the other crapholes in the world...Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean the nukes are fully depreciated by now. I'll bet those Vietnamese would make a mean pair of speakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShiznit Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 Interesting. I agree with this...... but believe that the thinking at the time was to prioritize saving American lives. Continuing to wage conventional war against Japan - with no visible light at the end of the tunnel - would've meant more American casualties. I'm also not buying the whole "lack of cultural sensitivity" about the importance of the emperor in their society. I don't believe that it was our responsibility to give a flying flip about that. They didn't appear to be sensitive to American beliefs when they attacked Pearl Harbor out of the blue. YOu can buy and believe what you wish...it is a free country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 there is a good chance u r ghey Good chance nuthin... I could erase all doubt in your mind if I described the other toys and comics in my office... It's a shrine to 80's nostalgia, Godzilla, Zombies and comics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShiznit Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 Yeah, I know Bissell. Thought his name was Israel, though? Anyway, he scoffed at the idea that Paul Revere didn't ride the countryside. Although he did send out the alarm, he did it by water. My point was, his history needs a little refreshing, which still stands. Really...all I was trying to point out was that Paul Revere didn't do the riding all across the countryside....I saw no need to pull up relevant links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 All that mileage covered and no mention of the horses. Pfftt... I find it interesting that the focus of this argument is whether we needed to drop atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end the war sooner. How quickly y'all forget that we firebombed Japan several times with many more casualties than were accounted for with the atomic bomb droppings. OK, lets continue a conventional war against Japan, we would have killed many more Japanese I assure you (but you'd feel better about that decision? ) But that isn't a convenient argument, is it? Sometimes I think the problem with debating history and the actions taken by leaders is taken in (in this case) the context of the year 2008 with how damaging we know nukes are now and the convenience of hind sight. Take a look at it in 1945 after this country and many others bled for 6 plus years and the socio-political landscape at the time, and then come back. And, the vanquished don't dictate terms of surrender, the victor does. Unconditional...what was lost in translation there? Look at what we did to our own citizens/soldiers while we were dropping bombs in Nevada . They were given sunglasses for protection. 20/20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Pat!!! Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Really...all I was trying to point out was that Paul Revere didn't do the riding all across the countryside....I saw no need to pull up relevant links. Well, he did do some riding. He didn't make it all the way to Concord. But he just took the water route. That doesn't mean he was rowing a boat, it means he was following rivers. And he wasn't the only one riding, there were others, but that deson't mean he wasn't doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Well, he did do some riding. He didn't make it all the way to Concord. But he just took the water route. That doesn't mean he was rowing a boat, it means he was following rivers. And he wasn't the only one riding, there were others, but that deson't mean he wasn't doing it. You're wasting your breath pat. I saw a sig somewhere (either here or the firing line) that would be applicable here: "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 You're wasting your breath pat. I saw a sig somewhere (either here or the firing line) that would be applicable here: "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." Hat Trick's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShiznit Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 Well, he did do some riding. He didn't make it all the way to Concord. But he just took the water route. That doesn't mean he was rowing a boat, it means he was following rivers. And he wasn't the only one riding, there were others, but that deson't mean he wasn't doing it. I guess you and West Virginia lack reading comprehension....I noted it wasn't Paul Revere alone...never suggested he did nothing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I guess you and West Virginia lack reading comprehension....I noted it wasn't Paul Revere alone...never suggested he did nothing... first time you've used the word "alone" in this thread. it's kinda hard to "comprehend" when you're just making chit up as you go along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I would have thought it unarguable that casualties would have been far greater from a land invasion of Japan than they were from the pair of A-bombs. Not only that, the bottom line is that they launched a completely unprovoked attack and reaped what they sowed. One of their admirals (Yamamoto?) said as the attack progressed that they had awoken a sleeping giant and indeed they had. The A-bombs killed no Americans to my knowledge, which would certainly not have been the case if an invasion of Honshu had happened. All this backwards and forwards with offers of this that or the other surrender terms is irrelevant - surrender needed to be completely unconditional and it was. Whining and hand wringing over the use of the A-bombs is liberal guilt gone mad. Where is the whining and hand-wringing over Nanking, Korea or the Bataan death march? Bah. The Japanese can count themselves damn fortunate to still exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Pat!!! Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 They did not you idiot. Hirohito Immediately surrendered after the second bomb....he wrestled control from his advisors and immediately surrendered. What you are talking about is part of the pre-bombing surrender. And yes, they wanted to try their own war criminals....but then again...so do we. Again...winners write the history and get the spoils. Do you really believe Paul Revere rode across the countryside yelling the british are coming....FOOL. I guess you and West Virginia lack reading comprehension....I noted it wasn't Paul Revere alone...never suggested he did nothing... You did? That reads like he didn't do it to me? Maybe you need the comprehension lesson... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) Whining and hand wringing over the use of the A-bombs is liberal guilt gone mad. Where is the whining and hand-wringing over Nanking, Korea or the Bataan death march? You make an awful lot of sense sometimes. YOu can buy and believe what you wish...it is a free country. Just as you're free to spew massive amounts of bullcrap in this thread. I guess you and West Virginia lack reading comprehension....I noted it wasn't Paul Revere alone...never suggested he did nothing...You did? That reads like he didn't do it to me? Maybe you need the comprehension lesson... Can you believe that this guy supposedly has a law degree? Edited March 18, 2008 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 You make an awful lot of sense sometimes.Just as you're free to spew massive amounts of bullcrap in this thread. Can you believe that this guy supposedly has a law degree? Meh, so do skins and squeegie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Meh, so do skins and squeegie... I'm surprised you aren't all over this development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShiznit Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 I guess you and West Virginia lack reading comprehension....I noted it wasn't Paul Revere alone...never suggested he did nothing...You did? That reads like he didn't do it to me? Maybe you need the comprehension lesson... Did He....or did he not? You seem to not be able to read....did I say he did nothing....I also suggested the winner write history....which was the greater point that Revere do all that is attributed to him....again...reading comprehension is fundamental...along with reading in context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShiznit Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 You make an awful lot of sense sometimes.Just as you're free to spew massive amounts of bullcrap in this thread. Can you believe that this guy supposedly has a law degree? I have no law degree...whoever suggested that. I am a financial advisor who adviser somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 million dollars give or take a million. I was pre-law in college...which means I have read lots and lots of landmark Supreme Court cases and have a greater understanding of Substantiative Due Process than most non-lawyer types who have never had to submit briefs. Talk about making chit up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Shiznit, I really don't understand your position at all. OK, Japan offered a very conditional surrender before the bombs. One of those many conditions was keep the emperor. Then, after the bombs, Japan surrendered (again supposedly) and got to keep the emperor as a figure head. What is your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I have no law degree...whoever suggested that. I am a financial advisor who adviser somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 million dollars give or take a million. I was pre-law in college...which means I have read lots and lots of landmark Supreme Court cases and have a greater understanding of Substantiative Due Process than most non-lawyer types who have never had to submit briefs. Talk about making chit up. Which seems to be what you are doing. Pre law and can't do enough research to support your statement??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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