dirtdickens Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Miami has inquired and found that they are allowed to pass up their pick and make it later, at whatever point they want. My money is on them doing this, dropping down and nabbing Claddy, a real LT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Mike Tice didn't either. But as I said before, it would not be prudent to not try and get something in return as a result of a trade, and the player they then chose would still demand 1st-pick money if they tried that, ala McKinnie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robash Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 why wouldnt they just trade and get something for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Wouldnt it be pointless to do so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalboyd Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 why wouldnt they just trade and get something for it? 2 who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 2 who? That is the question. With the money these high draft picks get now, teams are finally figuring out that (especially in a draft like this one without huge can't miss prospects) it is not such a great deal. I can't imagine any team trading up to get the #1 this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I think that Parcell's will have a precedent setting draft with this first pick. I'm glad that he's in the position to maye start making some changes in the out-of-control rookie contracts. Can't wait... the draft is coming!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperCharger Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 The whole draft could turn into a Mexican standoff with everybody refusing to make a pick until someone flinches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 The whole draft could turn into a Mexican standoff with everybody refusing to make a pick until someone flinches. Oh yeah, I can see that happening real easy. Bill is gonna take out the shotgun and blow the whole thing up. Should be verrrrry interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BumpNRun Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I think that Parcell's will have a precedent setting draft with this first pick. I'm glad that he's in the position to maye start making some changes in the out-of-control rookie contracts. Can't wait... the draft is coming!!! Can you elaborate on your thinking and the " precedent"statement........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Man... I can't believe this is even a discussion with these teams. Let me get this straight: you sit and watch the relative value of your pick drift away by letting people pick ahead of you, and risk losing the guy you want, AND probably face a hold out or at the very least, a difficult negotiation, over being picked later, but by the team with the draft slot of a higher pick? I just don't get it. Make good picks and the players will still be worth the money of the higher pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Man... I can't believe this is even a discussion with these teams. Let me get this straight: you sit and watch the relative value of your pick drift away by letting people pick ahead of you, and risk losing the guy you want, AND probably face a hold out or at the very least, a difficult negotiation, over being picked later, but by the team with the draft slot of a higher pick? I just don't get it. Make good picks and the players will still be worth the money of the higher pick. The system is broke. Parcells might try to fix it his own way. Can you imagine the drama if he takes over the draft by passing on pick after pick. Throwing every team that drafts into sudden limbo. And he already asked permission to do it, so that is an indication right there. At least it is in the head of the other teams at this point. Parcells is a macabre genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilly Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Don't believe this for one minute. First of all, these teams have plenty of friggin money. They may not LIKE to spend 20-30 mil guaranteed for the first pick, but they can afford it. The only way a rookie salary cap will be installed is through the next CBA. I think Miami either goes Jake Long or V. Gholsten (sp?): whichever one of those guys can agree to a deal before draft day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Parcells is a macabre genius. Seriously. This is nothing more than smoke. Its gotta be. He's screwing with agents and GMs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Can you elaborate on your thinking and the " precedent"statement........ Every year the #1 overall pick pretty much gets a bigger and better deal than the #1 pick from the previous year. Parcell's is going to play several of the top rookies against each other until he gets one to agree to a deal that is lower than Russell's from last year. If none of them agree to his terms, he has the option to skip the pick outright... should be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Mike Tice didn't either. But as I said before, it would not be prudent to not try and get something in return as a result of a trade, and the player they then chose would still demand 1st-pick money if they tried that, ala McKinnie. exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 They need to make the rookie contracts like the NBA... Get those contracts under control and up the veteran minimum and start taking care of the former players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 They need to make the rookie contracts like the NBA...Get those contracts under control and up the veteran minimum and start taking care of the former players. That would be a good place to start. It's almost like a team is forced to pick a QB with the first pick in the draft with the money they will command. It's probably a good reason that this can't be completely ignored as bs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtdickens Posted April 15, 2008 Author Share Posted April 15, 2008 A key piece to this is that the NFL said it was okay to do it. How do we know the contract he is negotiating with Gholston isn't for the third or fourth pick? Before the Jets no one could use him other than the Dolphins. I really dont see VG going #1. The guy had one year(really 8 games), inwhich he racked up most of his stats against garbage teams. True he had a sack against Long, but watch the games against Texas, Florida, LSU and Illinois-he had nothing. He disapears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 A key piece to this is that the NFL said it was okay to do it. How do we know the contract he is negotiating with Gholston isn't for the third or fourth pick? Before the Jets no one could use him other than the Dolphins. I really dont see VG going #1. The guy had one year(really 8 games), inwhich he racked up most of his stats against garbage teams. True he had a sack against Long, but watch the games against Texas, Florida, LSU and Illinois-he had nothing. He disapears. STL or ATL could take Gholston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 One of the best things about picking first is being able to negotiate a contract before a player is picked so you don't have a holdout... whatever we lose by picking #1 - the above makes it worth it... I rather trade down though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I think if Parcells sat around and let a team or 3 pick ahead of him, he's begging for a contract holdout because the agent will insist his pick was still "the #1 pick." So I don't think trading the pick is the same as going "pass" (even if you get squat for the trade). Plus Parcells loves to be in charge - why let someone else dictate who you may or may not get? Agree 100% this is smokescreen BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I think if Parcells sat around and let a team or 3 pick ahead of him, he's begging for a contract holdout because the agent will insist his pick was still "the #1 pick." So I don't think trading the pick is the same as going "pass" (even if you get squat for the trade). Plus Parcells loves to be in charge - why let someone else dictate who you may or may not get? Agree 100% this is smokescreen BS. Yeah, but even if it is, it is still a good move. Parcells isn't letting anyone (players - agents - other teams drafting near the top) get comfortable with their positions. So in a way he IS dictating this thing because he is creating uncertainty for everyone else while he probably has a strategy mapped out to suit him based on how the chips fall between now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I could see Parcells letting a few picks slide, get a guy he likes and then telling him, "Son, congratulations on being the 4th pick in the draft. We're excited to have you in Miami. Now, regarding your contract, because you were the 4th pick, we will be paying you like you were the 4th pick ... not the 1st and not the 10th. You're a fine football player that will help this team out. But, so there is no confusion, you were the 4th pick. If you think you were the 1st pick, I would suggest that this team has more than 50 other men on the field and one man, you, will not single-handedly change the fact that we were 1-15 last year. So, if you hold out, that is on you. You will be ruining your career. Holding out on a rookie contract has never helped anyone be a better football player. Again, congratulations, and welcome to Miami." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 (edited) I would give the rumors a little weight if the Phins weren't negotiating just first overall contracts with players, but also second overall contracts and third overall contracts, etc Edited April 17, 2008 by Duchess Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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