MikesVikes Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) The Surf Ballroom in Clear Lake, Iowa. I've been by there many times. A few blocks from where my brother lived. link Here's a link to the story. link Richardson had developed a case of the flu during the tour and asked one of Holly's bandmates, Waylon Jennings, for his seat on the plane; Jennings agreed to give up the seat. When Holly learned that Jennings wasn't going to fly, he said, "Well, I hope your ol' bus freezes up." Jennings responded, "Well, I hope your ol' plane crashes." This exchange of words, though made in jest at the time, haunted Jennings for the rest of his life. Edited January 29, 2009 by MikesVikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I had forgotten Holly was 22 and Valens was 17. I don't know if anyone here is really old enough to capture the historic context, but are there any two people from recent history that we might be able to compare this tragedy do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerx Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I had forgotten Holly was 22 and Valens was 17. I don't know if anyone here is really old enough to capture the historic context, but are there any two people from recent history that we might be able to compare this tragedy do? Tupac and Biggie?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I had forgotten Holly was 22 and Valens was 17. I don't know if anyone here is really old enough to capture the historic context, but are there any two people from recent history that we might be able to compare this tragedy do? Not sure what you mean by "historic context" but I can remember that day vividly... and as far as comparing... I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Not sure what you mean by "historic context" but I can remember that day vividly... and as far as comparing... I don't think so. Popular music was certainly a different beast back then. Were these two like on top of the world? Are we talking....like a Jonas brother and an NSYC member passing away, or would it be more like a teenage Micheal Jackson and a young Garth Brooks passing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Since there were THREE of them. Holly, Valens, and JP Richardson (The Big Bopper), I would say that you would have a hard time coming up with three going at the same time to compare. Maybe Hendrix, Morrison, and Joplin all at once could be close, but would still probably fall short. As far as someone in the music business today.... I will have to go ask my granddaughter about that as you have to be a teenager to understand the feeling of losing people like Holly, Valens, and Richardson all at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Not sure what you mean by "historic context" but I can remember that day vividly... and as far as comparing... I don't think so. Nod Since there were THREE of them. Holly, Valens, and JP Richardson (The Big Bopper), I would say that you would have a hard time coming up with three going at the same time to compare. Maybe Hendrix, Morrison, and Joplin all at once could be close, but would still probably fall short. As far as someone in the music business today.... I will have to go ask my granddaughter about that as you have to be a teenager to understand the feeling of losing people like Holly, Valens, and Richardson all at once. +1 There is no comparison in the rock world. These guys were headliners, every place they went. It was "The Day that Music Died!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerx Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Well.... .... What if Hannah Montana were lost to us? Wouldn't that count as losing two young popular singers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Bye bye miss american pie drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Bye bye miss american piedrove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry And them good old boys were drinkin' Whiskey and rye...Timmay???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Tupac and Biggie?? Well.... .... What if Hannah Montana were lost to us? Wouldn't that count as losing two young popular singers? It's pretty obvious that you could care less about the three that died on Feb 3, 1959. You probably have no idea who they are. So why the need to post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Bye bye miss american piedrove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry And them good old boys were drinkin' Whiskey and rye...Timmay???? Such a great song written about that sad day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Such a great song written about that sad day. Nod. A sad day for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 It's pretty obvious that you could care less about the three that died on Feb 3, 1959. You probably have no idea who they are. So why the need to post? In defense of his first post, Tupac Shakur and George Wallace (Biggie Smalls / Notorious B.I.G.) were on their way to being cultural icons, if not already. I know you're not a fan of all things recent, but I would contend that these two guys were major icons of this generation. Now, don't get me wrong, I most certainly understand the significance/tragedy of the Holly/Valens/Bopper crash. miller's Hannah Montana blast was an unsuccessful stab at humor, but his first post had some merit, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 And them good old boys were drinkin' Whiskey and rye...Timmay???? Singin' this'll be the day that I die. This'll be the day that I die... Great song! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 In defense of his first post, Tupac Shakur and George Wallace (Biggie Smalls / Notorious B.I.G.) were on their way to being cultural icons, if not already. I know you're not a fan of all things recent, but I would contend that these two guys were major icons of this generation. Now, don't get me wrong, I most certainly understand the significance/tragedy of the Holly/Valens/Bopper crash. miller's Hannah Montana blast was an unsuccessful stab at humor, but his first post had some merit, IMO. Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 The Surf Ballroom in Clear Lake, Iowa. I've been by there many times. A few blocks from where my brother lived. link Here's a link to the story. link Richardson had developed a case of the flu during the tour and asked one of Holly's bandmates, Waylon Jennings, for his seat on the plane; Jennings agreed to give up the seat. When Holly learned that Jennings wasn't going to fly, he said, "Well, I hope your ol' bus freezes up." Jennings responded, "Well, I hope your ol' plane crashes." This exchange of words, though made in jest at the time, haunted Jennings for the rest of his life. Holy crap, I never knew that. And I consider myself a moderate Holly fan and a pretty hugh Jennings fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxfactor Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Such a great song written about that sad day. And I must admit, I had no idea that this song was about that tragedy. And I grew up listening to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Holy crap, I never knew that. And I consider myself a moderate Holly fan and a pretty hugh Jennings fan. For probably a good 30 years you couldn't get Jennings to talk about it though I did see an interview (probably 10-12 years ago now) where he finally discussed it and it wasn't pretty watching him talk. Emotions were still running high. As far as I could tell, he never forgave himself for not being on that plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 It's somehwat forgotten, but the day Stevie Ray Vaughn died there was a belief for a while that Eric Clapton was on that copter as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 It's somehwat forgotten, but the day Stevie Ray Vaughn died there was a belief for a while that Eric Clapton was on that copter as well.. SVR was truly amazing and missed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Article in RS this week. Apparently Valens wasn't going to be on the plane and talked someone (can't remember who, but noone i'd heard of) into flipping a coin for the last spot on the plane. finally this other guy agreed to the coin flip and Lost, giving Valens the seat on the plane. Pretty incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 And American Pie is a truly awesome song. We used to sing this in college at dorm parties all the time - at the time i had no idea of the significance or what it was about. Now i appreciate it even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I had forgotten Holly was 22 and Valens was 17. I don't know if anyone here is really old enough to capture the historic context, but are there any two people from recent history that we might be able to compare this tragedy do? I think it would be like losing Cobain, Staley and Hoon on the same heroin overdose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Article in RS this week. Apparently Valens wasn't going to be on the plane and talked someone (can't remember who, but noone i'd heard of) into flipping a coin for the last spot on the plane. finally this other guy agreed to the coin flip and Lost, giving Valens the seat on the plane. Pretty incredible. I think that was made up for the movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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