GReatONE Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Just to give you some background, our league waiver wire is 1st come, 1st serve, beginning at 6 am following the MNF game. Believe it or not, sims-walker was still available and I tried scooping him this morning. However, another league member grabbed him at 5:59. I posted the player should be returned to waiver wire and the guy who picked him up is arguing that he should be able to keep him because his computer said it was 6:00. He is also trying to argue that in other leagues, he would be granted the player because his record is worse than mine. It hasn't been resolved by the commish and I'm sure I'll get a favorable answer, but just curious how this would be handled in your league, assuming you have a similar waiver wire system. Thanks for the input in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.K.Trey Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 If your league is set to allow pickups @ 6am , then if it was not 6am yet why did it allow the move? If it is not set for that , then this your fault (the leagues). Is everyone supposed to synchronize their clocks? He made a good faith effort to pickup player by the rules, since you could have set the rules in your league web site and didn't , He gets the player , since ther is no way to say you would have gotten him less then 1 minute later. Sorry if this is not the answer you are looking for, but I don't see the recourse you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GReatONE Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 I do agree with your point about the website should not have allowed this to happen. However, I don't agree that he should allowed to keep the player. This is something I do need to address w/ the commish. Thanks for your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 BTW, having to be crouched at your computer at 6 am to get a FA is a BS waiver system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonkis Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 BTW, having to be crouched at your computer at 6 am to get a FA is a BS waiver system. +1, I would quit FF altogether if that was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 BTW, having to be crouched at your computer at 6 am to get a FA is a BS waiver system. that rule is so stupid that this post really doesn't deserve any responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 (edited) Were you there, ready to pick him up at exactly 6am? If not, tough noogies. Edited October 6, 2009 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GReatONE Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 The rule doesn't bother me as I am up early for work anyway. But to any you question, yes I did try to pick the sims-walker at 6. My request was rejected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Is this a free league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I think the rule you have is terrible. But you're gonna have to enforce it this year. Since he picked up the guy at 5:59, he has to return him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GReatONE Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 That was my feeling as well. I'm not fond of the rule and I'm sure it will beaddressed for next year. I've been in this league for 3 years and this has never been an issue. Just curious, but for those of you that don't have a waiver wire set based on record, how is your waiver wire set up? Suggestions welcomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Is there an official league clock? If that said 5:59, that the pickup should be rejected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 That was my feeling as well. I'm not fond of the rule and I'm sure it will beaddressed for next year. I've been in this league for 3 years and this has never been an issue. Just curious, but for those of you that don't have a waiver wire set based on record, how is your waiver wire set up? Suggestions welcomed. Blind bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 (edited) One cold hard irrefutable bullet in the gun of anyone trying to make an argument on either side of this scenario is the website time stamp. If the time stamp for his pick up on the transaction report says 5:59 then that is the letter of the law . Case closed. The player goes back. I dont give a rats ass what the other guys computer said. Probelm is that they may not award him to you unless when the website rejected you it showed a time stamp that you where looking to make the move at 6. To answer your first question . Timestamp on the transaction report is the law here. Edited October 6, 2009 by whomper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 That was my feeling as well. I'm not fond of the rule and I'm sure it will beaddressed for next year. I've been in this league for 3 years and this has never been an issue. Just curious, but for those of you that don't have a waiver wire set based on record, how is your waiver wire set up? Suggestions welcomed. Most common is worst to first, like the NFL uses. Another option is to have the league give out fantasy dollars (such as 100 per team at the beginning of the season) then do blind bids for players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Smales Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 We do worst to first in our main league. This typically will help out the lower teams, but I still don't like it using this for the first few weeks of the season as someone with a strong team has a poor first week gets 1st pick. Another I got into (still not sure why) does FCFS waivers, but the WW is supposed to open at a set time, but it is actually when the commish gets around to it. Looks like I will be in one less league next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 If the player goes back in the pool, what then? Automatically give the player to you because you say you were there? Lock him until tomorrow morning? Lock him until next week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GReatONE Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 I argued that the player should be placed back on waiver wire and we try again in the morning. I do like the blind bidding and I think this could get approved by the league for next year. How do you set it up and send your bid in without others in the league knowing who you want and for what price? Do certain websites work better for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboysDiehard Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Take it from someone who knows, this has the potential to destroy your league, or at least get an owner or two 'uninvited'. There was a similar situation involving Wilie Parker in a league I was in a few years ago. This was a league with friends, I had been in for eight years. The bitching got so bad that the commish at the time disbanded the league after the season. My advice is that you look before you leap on this one--if it's that important to you, go ahead and raise holy hell & hope for the best. Sometimes, though, it's best to let the incident go, and work to change the way the rules work for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdrudge Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 One cold hard irrefutable bullet in the gun of anyone trying to make an argument on either side of this scenario is the website time stamp. If the time stamp for his pick up on the transaction report says 5:59 then that is the letter of the law . Case closed.And if the website was suppose to enforce the 6:00 rule but for some reason didn't, what then? If the league rules say 6:00 AM and the site was in error letting it happen, the case isn't closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Would the system allow you to go in and pick up at 5:30 or are you locked out at that time? If so and the system allowed him to pick at 5:59, then the site system was matching his clock, not yours and the trade should stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABearWithFurniture Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Are you able to pre-select a WW pick-up? Can you go in at 5:30 am and put in a bid for a player, and it processes them when the FCFS starts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LayLow Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 One cold hard irrefutable bullet in the gun of anyone trying to make an argument on either side of this scenario is the website time stamp. If the time stamp for his pick up on the transaction report says 5:59 then that is the letter of the law . Case closed. The player goes back. I dont give a rats ass what the other guys computer said. Probelm is that they may not award him to you unless when the website rejected you it showed a time stamp that you where looking to make the move at 6. To answer your first question . Timestamp on the transaction report is the law here. Yup I agree with Whomper. Even if he picked him up at 5:59 then saw it was too early then dropped and repicked him up at 6:00, then I would still have overturned that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 (edited) Your league is an epic failure Edited October 6, 2009 by MrTed46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 One cold hard irrefutable bullet in the gun of anyone trying to make an argument on either side of this scenario is the website time stamp. If the time stamp for his pick up on the transaction report says 5:59 then that is the letter of the law . Case closed. The player goes back. I dont give a rats ass what the other guys computer said. Probelm is that they may not award him to you unless when the website rejected you it showed a time stamp that you where looking to make the move at 6. To answer your first question . Timestamp on the transaction report is the law here. If the system does not lock out players from entering FCFS prior to the set time how do you blaim the owner? He made a legit attempt to get him at 6AM. What if the league clock isnt readily available to see wha time it is? There is no right answer here, the league and the rules and the system are total BS. I'd be pissed if I was the guy that got him 5:59AM and be pissed if I was the guy who tried at 6AM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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