Ruffian Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Ravens vs Falcons 2005 superbowl 899241[/snapback] Kyle Boller versus Mike Vick...the race to complete one pass from scrimmage is on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stimer Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Ravens vs Falcons 2005 superbowl 899241[/snapback] Only potentially on someones Madden game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandwidth Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I can't say that I have met Vick, so this is in no way an endorsement and claim of some known, yet hidden, pool of intelligence in Vick. That said, I once saw an interview on ESPN with boxer Roy Jones Jr. He dressed and talked as ghetto as you could imagine. There were points during the interview when I was very unsure of exactly what he was saying. That said, if you watch HBO Boxing you will know that Joens Jr. is well spoken, analytical, and wears a tuxedo. Jones and Vick are going to be the same in that there are people around them suggesting that they act and talk a certain way in front of certain audiences. Vick may be dumbing himself down some for some perceived "street cred." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Vick may be dumbing himself down some for some perceived "street cred." 899296[/snapback] I'll give you that. Of course, IMHO, that makes him double stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandwidth Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Of course, IMHO, that makes him double stupid. I'd agree with that as well, but athletes are near the top the charts for doing stupid stuff for stupid reasons. Either that or netiher of us truly understand that need for "street cred." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Either that or netiher of us truly understand that need for "street cred." 899335[/snapback] I just checked and it is nowhere on my "To Do" list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolv Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 (edited) His plummet from elite QB status is a tribute to his lack of quick wit in the WCO. He's been a placebo in FFL predraft status until this year... Edited July 28, 2005 by Wolv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I just checked and it is nowhere on my "To Do" list. 899371[/snapback] I was going by a sports shop and I saw some pink Vick jersys, apparently for the ladies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
migarvin Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 He's been a placebo in FFL predraft status until this year... uh no, he was the third ranked qb fantasy-wise in 2002 go check the "repeatability rankings" or whatever on the homepage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 uh no, he was the third ranked qb fantasy-wise in 2002 go check the "repeatability rankings" or whatever on the homepage 900028[/snapback] that was before defenses knew he couldn't pass. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Kyle Boller versus Mike Vick...the race to complete one pass from scrimmage is on! 899249[/snapback] Too funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
migarvin Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 QUOTE(migarvin @ 7/28/05 07:29pm)uh no, he was the third ranked qb fantasy-wise in 2002 go check the "repeatability rankings" or whatever on the homepage * that was before defenses knew he couldn't pass. . . you mean before defenses realized he has no viable receiving option besides a tightend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 you mean before defenses realized he has no viable receiving option besides a tightend? 904588[/snapback] nah...I think it's the fact that he can't hit them with the football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgcoach Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Yeah and Mcnabb was born in 1976 - do the math buddy. I was right he was still partying in Syracuse at age 22 put manning on the dolphins and he throws less than half the td's he did last year 898620[/snapback] You may be right but, that's still more than Vick threw on a better team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stimer Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 you mean before defenses realized he has no viable receiving option besides a tightend? 904588[/snapback] Actually ... Price while many people do not like him caught 94 passes for 1252 yards and 9 tds in 2002 in BUF and the year before had 55 passes for 895 yards and 7 tds in BUF ... those numbers are not too shabby. Something fell apart when he got to ATL ... but I don't think you can blame all of it on Price. Also, he has better RB options than some other teams ... so the talent "issue" can only go so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Yeah and Mcnabb was born in 1976 - do the math buddy. I was right he was still partying in Syracuse at age 22 898620[/snapback] Um, no. This is what you said: But when Vick won in GB at age 22 in the playoffs, Mcnabb was still partying in Syracuse. 897938[/snapback] McNabb was not partying at Syracuse when Vick played the Packers in 2002. So, no, you weren't right. Learn how to communicate, momo. I find it interesting that all of these little kiddies from Atlanta are touting Vick as an elite NFL QB, when he has yet to master the art of throwing the ball to his WRs. And anyone who disagrees is either a Vick-basher or a racist. I think it's fair to say that Vick is second-to-none in regard to athletic talent and that his scrambling abilities tend to keep (mediocre) opposing defenses off balance. So, in that regard, Vick certainly is a special player. But Vick is waaay behind the average starting NFL QB in terms of passing and reading defenses. And, in the end, successful NFL QBs need to be able to effectively pass the ball. Even if we give him a free pass for being relatively new to the WCO (despite him having four years of NFL experience), the jury is still out on whether he'll be the next Steve Young or the next Kordell. He has a lot to prove before he can even be considered a good NFL QB, much less an elite one. Therefore, I suggest that the over-zealous Vick-lovers put a sock in it for now. Save the superlatives for the season that Vick throws for 3,000 yds and 20 TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Actually ... Price while many people do not like him caught 94 passes for 1252 yards and 9 tds in 2002 in BUF and the year before had 55 passes for 895 yards and 7 tds in BUF ... those numbers are not too shabby. Something fell apart when he got to ATL ... 905793[/snapback] Yeah, he went from being the # 2 WR in Buffalo with a Pro Bowler in Eric Moulds across from him, to being the # 1 WR in Atlanta with no Pro Bowler across from him. Big change!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stimer Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Yeah, he went from being the # 2 WR in Buffalo with a Pro Bowler in Eric Moulds across from him, to being the # 1 WR in Atlanta with no Pro Bowler across from him. Big change!!!!!! 906245[/snapback] So if ATL had Eric Moulds on their roster then Vick could put up 4359 total passing yards with 24 passing td's including 1252 yards to Price and 1287 yards to Moulds? I suppose it doesn't mean anything either that Crumpler had just about as much yardage last year as the combined TE's have had for BUF in the LAST 2 YEARS. Price put up those numbers in 2002 because he had a PRODUCTIVE QB ... did it help having another top caliber WR? Yes, was that the only reason he had 1200 yards and 10 td's? Doubt it. When you have a productive passer you take guys like Brandon Stokely who have accomplished absolutely SQUAT under mediocre passers and get enormous production of them with a productive passer. I don't buy into the line of it is all Price's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 So if ATL had Eric Moulds on their roster then Vick could put up 4359 total passing yards with 24 passing td's including 1252 yards to Price and 1287 yards to Moulds? I suppose it doesn't mean anything either that Crumpler had just about as much yardage last year as the combined TE's have had for BUF in the LAST 2 YEARS. Price put up those numbers in 2002 because he had a PRODUCTIVE QB ... did it help having another top caliber WR? Yes, was that the only reason he had 1200 yards and 10 td's? Doubt it. When you have a productive passer you take guys like Brandon Stokely who have accomplished absolutely SQUAT under mediocre passers and get enormous production of them with a productive passer. I don't buy into the line of it is all Price's fault. 906556[/snapback] I agree with BigScore that Price has failed to effectively deal with double-teams and I think that he may have come down with a case of Antonio Freeman syndrome after signing that fat contract. But I also agree that a good QB can get more out of a WR than a mediocre one. Marvin Harrison was never a stud before Manning was behind center. Bill Schroeder has done jack squat since leaving Favre. Going from Patrick Ramsey to an over-the-hill Mark Brunell killed Laveranues Coles' numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stimer Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 I agree with BigScore that Price has failed to effectively deal with double-teams and I think that he may have come down with a case of Antonio Freeman syndrome after signing that fat contract. But I also agree that a good QB can get more out of a WR than a mediocre one. Marvin Harrison was never a stud before Manning was behind center. Bill Schroeder has done jack squat since leaving Favre. Going from Patrick Ramsey to an over-the-hill Mark Brunell killed Laveranues Coles' numbers. 906648[/snapback] Yep ... in this case ... it is not a one-way street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Yep ... in this case ... it is not a one-way street. 906672[/snapback] Another way to look at is this. Do you think Price would have been as succesful in Buffalo, with Josh Reed across from him, instead of Moulds? There's no doubt that Vick's accuracy...or should I say inaccuracy...has had an impact on Prices numbers, but having watched every FalCANS game that I can, either in person at the Georgia Dome or on TV, I can also unequivocally say, that Price is not able to handle the role of a # 1 WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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