Jimmy Smith Retires!

[The Irish Doggy]

So am I, but I didn't draft him in the 1st round.

 

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WHAT?!? There's a league where you can draft huddlers?

[DMD]

What makes you say that (twice)?

 

I can't imagine anybody knows how the depth chart will shake out immediately after this news.

 

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I've come across that a couple of times during the offseason and I remembered it because it was a bit surprising to me as well. Here is one blurb:

 

Del Rio said he's still asked questions such as, "'Gee, Coach, when are you going to get a wide receiver?' We have a lot of wide receivers, and we like them.''

 

Del Rio said he expects Williams, who suffered a concussion and lost his starting job last season, will break out as a third-year pro and likes the player's work ethic.

 

"I thought the one thing he continues to do is work hard," Del Rio said. "He practices as hard as any player I've been around. He really competes at it. I think he's got a lot of talent, and we just hope he can put it all together this year and have a big impact for us.''

 

 

 

Recall that RW was the star of training camp last year and had a concussion that bothered him for a while. Maybe his college skills only appear on the practice field.

 

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[Flip_Side]

Great player, Wilford and Jones's value just shot up big time.

[jaxfactor]

They already were if they were relying on season #13 for Jimmy.

 

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I agree. He was super in his day but let's face it. The guy is 37 years old.

Didn't have a clue here in Jax until today. I have no idea why they didn't take a

flyer on a WR in the later rounds of the draft. With mini-camp just around the

corner I see alot of undrafted FA WRs in the mix. I don't think Reggie Williams

is the answer but this is year #3 for him so I'll hold off on the "bust" comments

until after this season.

Jimmy Smith is HOF material in my opinion. That one coke incident just might

be enough to keep him out though. I hope not. Ask Mark Brunell where he'd be

if it weren't for Jimmy Smith.

[jaxfactor]

Is Mike Tice in charge of personnel down there?  :doah:

 

Looks like Wilford and Matt Jones unless someone becomes available. Az Hakim is available, Troy Edwards, anyone else?

 

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Troy Edwards actually performed admirably during his last stint with the Jags.

The Jags love those ex-Steeler players and I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see

TE back in Jax, especially for that week 2 matchup on MNF with the Steelers.

[broncosn05]

Very consistent WR during his career. I think he was one of the most underated WR's in the NFL.

 

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+1

[CaptainHook]

Jimmy Smith is not a Hall of Fame WR.

[Azazello1313]

Jimmy Smith is not a Hall of Fame WR.

 

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he was against the colts...

 

 

9   132  |  2 |8   104  |  0 |4    87  |  1 |3    59  |  1 |5   113  |  1 |3    49  |  0 |8   102  |  1 |

 

 

7 games, 646 yards, 6 TDs

 

ok maybe he's borderline, and art monk obviously should get in first. (and rice, brown, carter, whoever else might be in the cue). but jimmy had a HOF-type career IMO. his numbers alone warrant serious consideration. his chances are hurt IMO by the fact that he played in a small national market like jacksonville and wasn't a loudmouth idiot like TO, randy, etc.

[Pope Flick]

he was against the colts...

 

 

9   132  |  2 |8   104  |  0 |4    87  |  1 |3    59  |  1 |5   113  |  1 |3    49  |  0 |8   102  |  1 |

 

 

7 games, 646 yards, 6 TDs

 

ok maybe he's borderline, and art monk obviously should get in first.  (and rice, brown, carter, whoever else might be in the cue).  but jimmy had a HOF-type career IMO.  his numbers alone warrant serious consideration.  his chances are hurt IMO by the fact that he played in a small national market like jacksonville and wasn't a loudmouth idiot like TO, randy, etc.

 

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A lack of a Super Bowl ring hurts probably most of all. That always seems to help.

[Bill Swerski]

ok maybe he's borderline, and art monk obviously should get in first.  (and rice, brown, carter, whoever else might be in the cue).  but jimmy had a HOF-type career IMO.  his numbers alone warrant serious consideration.  his chances are hurt IMO by the fact that he played in a small national market like jacksonville and wasn't a loudmouth idiot like TO, randy, etc.

 

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His chances are only hurt by the fact that his numbers are clearly on a lower tier when compared to those of Rice, Brown, Carter, Moss, Harrison, T.O., etc. Playing in Jacksonville has nothing to do with it. Jimmy was a very good WR, but he's not HOF material.

[Squeegiebo]

Somewhere, H8 is weeping.

 

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So am I, but I didn't draft him in the 1st round.

 

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My first thought when I saw the news: "Oh no, poor H8! Who's he gonna draft in the first round?!"

 

[Bill Swerski]

Jimmy Smith: 11th all-time in receiving yards, 31st in receiving TDs, 862 career receptions

 

Isaac Bruce: 12th all-time in receiving yards, 20th in receiving TDs, 813 career receptions

 

Given what some of his peers have done, Bruce will probably not be a first-ballot HOFer and may have a difficult time getting in period. And by the time Bruce retires, his numbers will be far ahead of Smith's. Jimmy will not make it into Canton.

[Seahawks21]

Matt Jones

 

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aren't you forgetting the talented receiver on their team?

[Azazello1313]

His chances are only hurt by the fact that his numbers are clearly on a lower tier when compared to those of Rice, Brown, Carter, Moss, Harrison, T.O., etc.  Playing in Jacksonville has nothing to do with it.  Jimmy was a very good WR, but he's not HOF material.

 

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he's arguably not as good as 5 of probably the top 10 WRs of all time (all sure HOF'ers), so he's not HOF caliber?

 

how about i list all the already-indicted HOF WRs whose stats jimmy's dwarf?

 

by the way, when did TO ever have 116 grabs in a season, or 1600+ yards? and when did jimmy ever ruin a team? jimmy's accomplishments dwarf TO's in every category except TDs. jimmy's done things that in individual seasons that place him among the very elite, and he did it with consistency and class over a 10 year span. that's thr criteria for the HOF, IMO. was he better than jerry rice or cris carter? no of course not. but neither was james lofton, and he's in the HOF. jim kelly wasn't better than elway or montana either, and he's in the HOF.

[Azazello1313]

here's a little quiz. here's the best 10 consecutive seasons of two players, you tell me which one is clearly the HOF'er and which one clearly isn't and why...

 

player 1:

 

    80   1180  14.8    7    89   1309  14.7    9    89   1342  15.1   10    90   1104  12.3    9   104   1408  13.5    5    81   1012  12.5    9    90   1344  14.9    6    76   1128  14.8   11    91   1165  12.8    9    81    930  11.5    2 

 

 

player 2:

 

    83   1244  15.0    7    82   1324  16.1    4    78   1182  15.2    8   116   1636  14.1    6    91   1213  13.3    8   112   1373  12.3    8    80   1027  12.8    7    54    805  14.9    4    74   1172  15.8    6    70   1023  14.6    6 

 

Edited May 12, 2006 by Azazello1313

[revhookem]

here's a little quiz.  here's the best 10 consecutive seasons of two players, you tell me which one is clearly the HOF'er and which one clearly isn't and why...

 

player 1:

 

    80   1180  14.8    7    89   1309  14.7    9    89   1342  15.1   10    90   1104  12.3    9   104   1408  13.5    5    81   1012  12.5    9    90   1344  14.9    6    76   1128  14.8   11    91   1165  12.8    9    81    930  11.5    2 

 

 

player 2:

 

    83   1244  15.0    7    82   1324  16.1    4    78   1182  15.2    8   116   1636  14.1    6    91   1213  13.3    8   112   1373  12.3    8    80   1027  12.8    7    54    805  14.9    4    74   1172  15.8    6    70   1023  14.6    6 

 

 

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You seem to be assuming that the HOF is only about stats. It is much more that way in baseball than in football. I think JSmith was a very very good receiver, who played in an era when the ball was thrown a great deal more than in prior eras. But he was not a GREAT receiver, imo.

 

He is borderline as far as Canton goes. I would not be offended if he made it in... nor would I be surprised if he never made it.

[loyalboyd]

My guess is player 2!

 

Consistant with yards and catches and even TD's. Also have high yards per catch.

 

So by guessing I would say Player 2 because he looks like he was dominate yr in and yr out.

[Azazello1313]

player 1 is tim brown 1993-2002, player 2 is jimmy smith 1996-2005.

[DMD]

here's a little quiz.  here's the best 10 consecutive seasons of two players, you tell me which one is clearly the HOF'er and which one clearly isn't and why...

 

player 1:

 

    80   1180  14.8    7    89   1309  14.7    9    89   1342  15.1   10    90   1104  12.3    9   104   1408  13.5    5    81   1012  12.5    9    90   1344  14.9    6    76   1128  14.8   11    91   1165  12.8    9    81    930  11.5    2 

 

 

player 2:

 

    83   1244  15.0    7    82   1324  16.1    4    78   1182  15.2    8   116   1636  14.1    6    91   1213  13.3    8   112   1373  12.3    8    80   1027  12.8    7    54    805  14.9    4    74   1172  15.8    6    70   1023  14.6    6 

 

 

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I knew that player 2 was Jimmy Smith because he had 116 catches

 

Tim Brown took me a little more time. One differentiation as I recall though - Tim Brown also returned punts for some of his career. Jimmy Smith never has.

[MikesVikes]

Guess the player...

 

Year Team G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD

1992 Dallas Cowboys 7 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0 0 0

1993 Dallas Cowboys 0 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0 0 0

1994 Dallas Cowboys 0 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0 0 0

 

 

[godtomsatan]

Haven't had the chance to chime in, but wanted to give props to ol' Jimmy on a stellar career.

 

Always a guy you could pick up in the middle rounds and end up getting solid production from.

[Bill Swerski]

he's arguably not as good as 5 of probably the top 10 WRs of all time (all sure HOF'ers), so he's not HOF caliber?

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Your argument is laughably stupid. You can't compare the stats of players in different eras.

 

how about i list all the already-indicted HOF WRs whose stats jimmy's dwarf?

 

Kerry Collins' stats dwarf those of Otto Graham, so I guess that he should be in Canton as well.

 

by the way, when did TO ever have 116 grabs in a season, or 1600+ yards?  and when did jimmy ever ruin a team?  jimmy's accomplishments dwarf TO's in every category except TDs.

 

Oh, and TDs aren't important. T.O.'s had five seasons with double-digit TDs. Jimmy's had ZERO.

 

Jimmy's also played longer than T.O. has and T.O. isn't anywhere near retirement, so the comparison isn't valid anyway.

 

jimmy's done things that in individual seasons that place him among the very elite, and he did it with consistency and class over a 10 year span.

 

Except for failing two drug tests, of course.

 

that's thr criteria for the HOF, IMO.  was he better than jerry rice or cris carter?  no of course not.  but neither was james lofton, and he's in the HOF.

 

Again, James Lofton played in a different era and was one of the elite WRs of his time. While Jimmy was very good, he didn't dominate at his position in the way that Rice, Carter, Brown, Moss, Harrison, T.O., etc. have. Therefore, he's not a HOFer. Hell, Isaac Bruce already has more TDs and will move ahead of him in receptions and yards this season.

 

jim kelly wasn't better than elway or montana either, and he's in the HOF.

 

Jim Kelly was an elite QB who lead his team to four Super Bowls. How many SBs did Jimmy Smith play in?

Edited May 12, 2006 by Bill Swerski

[Big Score 1]

Simple fix here fellas, without all the hyperbole, drama & name calling.

 

I'll set up a poll and we'll see how Huddler's vote on this one.

[Azazello1313]

Oh, and TDs aren't important.    T.O.'s had five seasons with double-digit TDs.  Jimmy's had ZERO.

 

Jimmy's also played longer than T.O. has and T.O. isn't anywhere near retirement, so the comparison isn't valid anyway.

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i repeat...when has TO ever had 116 (or 112) catches, or 1636 yards in a season? i guess catches and yards aren't important?

 

oh, and jimmy really only played 10 seasons. TO has played 10 seasons. their stats are directly comparable, and jimmy surpasses TO in every major statistical category save 1. plus he hasn't single-handedly destroyed two separate teams, so there's that as well.

[Bill Swerski]

i repeat...when has TO ever had 116 (or 112) catches, or 1636 yards in a season?  i guess catches and yards aren't important?

 

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And I repeat: When has Jimmy ever had a 10-TD season? If Smith is so much better than T.O., why was he riding the pine during his first two seasons?

 

oh, and jimmy really only played 10 seasons.

 

Wrong again. He's been a starter in 11 seasons and didn't catch a single ball in his first two. HOFer, my ass.

 

plus he hasn't single-handedly destroyed two separate teams, so there's that as well.

 

I'm not saying that T.O.'s definitely going to get into Canton, but he's certainly been more of an impact player over the course of his career than Jimmy Smith.