Grits and Shins Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) For a 1st rounder and a conditional pick to be named later As reported by Jay Glazer on the Dan Patrick show this morning Reported as being close to being a done deal ... Edited October 18, 2011 by Grits and Shins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Whoa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Man, the Raiders continue to piss away those early rounders for questionable veteran talent. Can't blame Al for this one. What a score for the Bengals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 for a #1 pick? likely to be a mid-teens selection...good to know the Raiders are doing what they can to win now and stay in the hunt, but that seems steep....especially on the news that Campbell is due back in 6 weeks'ish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Mort confirming on ESPN right now. The second pick is a conditional that could also be a 1st based on performance. I will say this - give them credit for going hard after an opportunity. This team is ready to win now, has some weapons a quality QB can utilize, and a running game and defense that doesn't force the QB to be the man. They might overpay for him, but they aren't letting a chance slip through their fingers. It would be more of a shame if they did nothing. Oh, and Mort just mentioned that if this didn't happen, the Raiders were next looking at Vince Young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 On the surface looks like the Bengals got over on the Raiders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgTalk Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Raiders are now without 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th in 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 This move saves them millions over what they would have paid to another first round bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 wow. that's a high price for someone way past their prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfer Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Fantastic value for Cincy. Mike Brown I'm....impressed. Use that first round pick on a scouting department! Love the win-now attitude of the Raiders, but if they cannot win the division the wildcard will be extremely hard to get. Should be interesting to see how Carson looks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Probably too steep a price to pay for the Raiders and too good an offer to pass up for the Bengals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgugs Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I hate losing all the draft picks, but I love all the "past his prime" comments. Isn't Palmer 31? Hardly past the prime for a talented NFL QB. I think many of you forget that the talent - and I use that term very, very loosely - surrounding Palmer during his last 3 years as a Bengal was just awful. Nothing but malcontents and nobodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Maybe Palmer will refuse to play there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I hate losing all the draft picks, but I love all the "past his prime" comments. Isn't Palmer 31? Hardly past the prime for a talented NFL QB. I think many of you forget that the talent - and I use that term very, very loosely - surrounding Palmer during his last 3 years as a Bengal was just awful. Nothing but malcontents and nobodies. Hasn't been the same since he was injured. He had some decent players. Bengals made the playoffs a couple years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WashingtonD Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Very intriguing Raiders vertical offense isn't a great fit for Palmer's arm, but from a game management perspective I think he'll benefit from the strong running game and I'd see some nice lift for the Raiders WRs and Kevin Boss from a PPR perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsosi Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Steep price. Props to the Bengals for getting that return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 And the other pick is a conditional 2013 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 wow, very interesting. from the bengals perspective, hugh coup, hard to see any downside at all. from the raiders....well, you've got to give them credit for a bold move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msaint Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Next question: when does he start? Does he get one week to watch Boller suck it up against the Chiefs, learn the system, get acclimated, find out where he and his brother can buy matching Little Lord Fauntleroy suits & big swirly colored lollipops in the Bay Area, etc...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 And the other pick is a conditional 2013 1st. mentioned here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgugs Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Hasn't been the same since he was injured. He had some decent players. Bengals made the playoffs a couple years ago. I don't disagree that his stock took a hit after the leg injury, but let's face it, their OL was terrible and for a non-mobile QB, he was getting killed. The Raiders OL is, in my biased opinion, the most improved in the NFL. And yes, Ochocinco & Owens & Housh were talented. WERE. They were also mostly awful people to have chirping in your ear every damned play. But he still managed over 3,000 yards & 20 TDs each of the past 2 years, in a bad situation. The '09 playoff team was centered around Benson Benson Benson and the offensive scheme called for Palmer to manage games, not win them with his arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgugs Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Next question: when does he start? Does he get one week to watch Boller suck it up against the Chiefs, learn the system, get acclimated, find out where he and his brother can buy matching Little Lord Fauntleroy suits & big swirly colored lollipops in the Bay Area, etc...? Boller will be fine for 1 week, they're playing the Chiefs at home for crying out loud. And then they have their bye, so he gets 2 weeks. Palmer will start in week 9 is my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Hrmph. I sent out a trade offer in a dynasty league earlier this AM for Palmer wondering if something like this might happen.... Seems like his trade value increased sooner than I would have liked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 THey should have just trade for Orton. They would have to absorb his 5 million dollar contract but they probably could have traded a cheerleader for him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pseudolefty Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 A steep price to pay, but Palmer is a good fit for the Raiders. They already have a solid O-Line and strong running game to go along with dangerous, but young WRs. Palmer is a definite upgrade over Boller and very well could be an upgrade over Campbell. Probably not as prone to making the dumb mistake although not as mobile. Is his arm strength really that diminished? Seemed like he used to throw the deep ball pretty well during Ochocinco's prime. I know he had elbow surgery but at least in baseball, pitchers often come back just as strong or stronger after surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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