detlef Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Yeah - let me add San Fransisco to that list too. Based on your logic, that Indy was a play-off team with Manning and crap without, then there's a lot of teams that are apparently one Peyton Manning away from the Championship. Take away the 10 or so teams that have very good or elite QBs. That leaves 21 teams who were better than the Colts but would be better still if they had an elite QB. What does AZ do with Kolb? Didn't they just drop a bunch of money on him? You think Manning is going to be cheap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorcher Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Arizona is one player away from a Championship? Or superbowl----------Kurt Warner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 This ... they are a good (I didn;t say great) defense with an improving defensive backfield. Calais Campbell and others are a good foundation. They made turnovers and had good special teams. Unfortunately, they have no QB. Maybe if the offense could move the ball the defense wouldn't be out there so much, but of course, Bushwacked doesn';t see that. Their defense will be good enough for a guy like Peyton to come in and win with. Their defense is not the problem. Thanks for the scoop, but I've watched enough football to know when the offense is out on the field the defense isn't. The 'one player away' comments was made from the perspective that the team with the most pieces in place may impact Manning's decision; and as Det said, the discussion became that Manning is probably good enough to make any team that needs a QB better. I watched two Cardinal games this season, while the defense wasn't horrible by any means I sure don't remember anything that made me think they were on the verge of greatness. Their defensive team stats were mediocre (on the wrong side of it actually) and while they were better than the Rams defense, they were not as good as Seattle or San Fran. I'd expect in 2012 the Cardinals will still have the next to last ranked defense in the NFC West no matter how much unwarranted praise a couple huddlers are heaping on them in the off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Places I think Peyton could land: NYJ HOU SF ARI The Texans are my dark horse pick...Schaub suffered a Lisfranc injury and I haven't seen anything about his recovery yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 No way he goes to AZ after the truckloads of cash they just left at Kolb's new Arizona mansion, not to mention the 1st rounder and stud CB they gave up to land him. I think Seattle makes a lot of sense. They are, in my opinion, closer to being one player away than anybody else out there. SF makes a lot of sense too. If Shanahan brought in Manning, he wouldn't be able to take all of he credit for their resurgence anymore. Minnesota is a possibility. Miami might be as well. Can't see Peyton wanting to go play for Rex. It is going to be Seattle, darnit!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Thanks for the scoop, but I've watched enough football to know when the offense is out on the field the defense isn't. The 'one player away' comments was made from the perspective that the team with the most pieces in place may impact Manning's decision; and as Det said, the discussion became that Manning is probably good enough to make any team that needs a QB better. I watched two Cardinal games this season, while the defense wasn't horrible by any means I sure don't remember anything that made me think they were on the verge of greatness. Their defensive team stats were mediocre (on the wrong side of it actually) and while they were better than the Rams defense, they were not as good as Seattle or San Fran. I'd expect in 2012 the Cardinals will still have the next to last ranked defense in the NFC West no matter how much unwarranted praise a couple huddlers are heaping on them in the off-season. ok ok, I got ya. I just remember them giving the Cowboys fits and that they scored me some good fantasy points when I added them late in the year, weeks 8-12 (I did have Seattle, too), plus, Calais Campbell was awesome for me in MSHB II. They have a good D Line and a good defensive backfield. LBs are a weak spot. If they could improve at LB coupled with keeping the D Line intact and CB Peterson improving from his rookie year (I like Adrian Wilson, too), then there is a chance they could easily improve their rankings for next year. All Peyton needs is a bend don't break defense with turnover potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Places I think Peyton could land: NYJ HOU SF ARI The Texans are my dark horse pick...Schaub suffered a Lisfranc injury and I haven't seen anything about his recovery yet. No way he goes to the Jets. That team is a shambles. On Schaub: "No, there’s no question about that," he said. "I’ll be ready in OTAs and doing stuff then." In ten starts during the 2011 season, Schaub posted a 15:6 TD-to-INT ratio and career-high 8.5 YPA, benefiting from an increasingly run-heavy offense. He'll be a mid-range to high-end QB2 in 2012 fantasy leagues. Jan 16 - 3:08 PMSource: houstontexans.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebartender Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 No way he goes to AZ after the truckloads of cash they just left at Kolb's new Arizona mansion, not to mention the 1st rounder and stud CB they gave up to land him. Not that it makes much of a difference but it was a 2nd not a 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorttynaz Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) Not that it makes much of a difference but it was a 2nd not a 1st. And I DEFINITELY would not call DRC a stud cornerback at this point. He has potential, but definitely "stud" status.. And Seahawks, I know you're a fan - but NO WAY are they the one team out there that's truly 1 player away.. Teams I would put ahead of them (in no particular).. Jets Ravens Cardinals Texans 49ers Vikings Chiefs Edited January 24, 2012 by Shorttynaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) And I DEFINITELY would not call DRC a stud cornerback at this point. He has potential, but definitely "stud" status at this point.. And Seahawks, I know you're a fan - but NO WAY are they the one team out there that's truly 1 player away.. Teams I would put ahead of them (in no particular).. Jets Ravens Cardinals Texans 49ers Vikings Chiefs Of course, yer homer bias isn't getting in the way (as I know you're an Arizona fan as well as a Colt fan). We all understand how a free-agent QB would find Fitz more enticing than say Sidney Rice, but that's one factor. Also, while I've disagreed with Sehawks21 on many occasions, he's definitely more of a negative nancy homer than vice versa. I'm not going to make a case for the Hawks being the best of the lot from your post, but beyond the Ravens, 49ers, and maybe the Texans, you can probably put numerous teams in a hat and draw a name. I'm also not sure what the status is for Flacco and Schaub, but bringing in Manning for a year likely means giving up on entrenched long-term starters. So some teams probably aren't even going to consider a "deal with the devil" even if they have the cap space. Speaking of which, Seattle was 20 million under the cap last year and should have about 70 million to spend this year. Partially because they didn't commit a sizable amount of money and guaranteed years to someone like Kolb for a lesser quality Tavaris Jackson like performance (nevermind the draft pick and talent). So, my turn to be a blind homer - Hawks are pretty much set for starters at every position on defense, except for one DE or some kind of pass rushing specialist. There a couple " sub-prime" type defensive players to re-sign (at LB and DT methinks). Assuming they re-sign Lynch they are also set on offense, except at QB and maybe WR (will Rice stay healthy?? did mike williams suck last year, or was Tavaris just dead-locked on his first read). The Hawks need depth here and there (LB, maybe OL, DL, a backup RB....etc); but with my rose colored glasses the level of play and talent for the Hawks has vastly improved at every position over the last couple seasons where QB is far and away the weak link. The only thing that wasn't clicking at a relatively high level for the Hawks during the last half of the season was pass rush and QB play. I guess since Golden Tate and Steve Baldwin were our starters at the end of the year, that left something to be desired. Hell, if Tavaris Jackson could have been successful in two out of his five 2-minute drill comeback attempts (instead of 0 out of 5), the Hawks would have snuck into the playoffs this year. Edited January 24, 2012 by bushwacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Seahawks21 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 And I DEFINITELY would not call DRC a stud cornerback at this point. He has potential, but definitely "stud" status.. And Seahawks, I know you're a fan - but NO WAY are they the one team out there that's truly 1 player away.. Teams I would put ahead of them (in no particular).. Jets Ravens Cardinals Texans 49ers Vikings Chiefs I don't get how the Texans are on your list. The Jets have some pretty major flaws, especially offensively.The Cardinals? LOL. The Vikings? The Vikings need at least ten new players before they're respectable. The Chiefs? I'll probably give you the Ravens and 49ers, but most of the Seahawks team was playing just about as good as those two teams were if you take out the QB. Heck, the Seahawks beat the Ravens and were a QB away from beating the 49ers twice. They're a bit young yet, but Carroll and Schneider have very quickly put together what looks to me like a championship caliber roster at 21 of the 22 positions. Some of these kids, especially on defense, are that good. An elite QB makes them legit contenders instantly. As BW mentioned, I tend to be pretty pessimistic in regards to my homer teams until they show me a reason to be anything else. The Hawks are in the process of doing that right now. Something really neat could be brewing here if and only if we get a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Jets, Dolphins, Redskins, Browns, Seahawks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 If Indianapolis releases Peyton Manning, then the one and only person to decide if and where he will play next is Archie Manning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 NFL insider Adam Schefter told ESPN's Mike and Mike radio program that the Cardinals have done their due diligence and are "expected to be in on Peyton Manning.""If they're in on Peyton Manning I would guess they don't give Kevin Kolb the bonus and they set him free," Schefter said. "I think [Manning] is looking for stability, consistency, good offensive personnel, good coaching. He's looking for what a smart player would want, and I think when you look at the Arizona Cardinals, that's going to be their selling point." One potential hang-up is Kolb's roster bonus coming due in March, which would necessitate Arizona placing a good deal of blind faith in Manning's health. Source: ArizonaSports.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Larry Fitzgerald will dine with Peyton Manning this week in Indianapolis.Tom James of the Terre Haute Tribune-Star reports that Fitzgerald and Manning are friends, but Fitz hopes Manning will "consider the Cardinals" after he's released by the Colts. It's particularly notable because Fitzgerald was Kevin Kolb's biggest supporter all last offseason. ESPN's Adam Schefter has reported that Arizona will be in the hunt for Manning this spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Peyton Manning has a significant neck injury that has required experimental surgeries and procedures and still not repaired. He's due $28 million from his present employer if he's on the roster March 8th. Of course he's trying like hell to come back and play. Once he's not due $28 million, let's revisit this conversation to see whether Peyton Manning has a motivation, or the health, to return to the field. That said, you'd expect a warm weather climate/dome to be the first options for Manning. Arizona, Jacksonville, Minnesota, and Miami seem like the only logical choices without an entrenched veteran at QB. Scratch the Jags with the divisional rival aspect of the Colts. Scratch Miami with the road game in Indy on the schedule in 2012. Scratch Minnesota with the road game in Indy in 2012. That leaves you with Arizona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Peyton Manning has a significant neck injury that has required experimental surgeries and procedures and still not repaired. He's due $28 million from his present employer if he's on the roster March 8th. Of course he's trying like hell to come back and play. Once he's not due $28 million, let's revisit this conversation to see whether Peyton Manning has a motivation, or the health, to return to the field. That said, you'd expect a warm weather climate/dome to be the first options for Manning. Arizona, Jacksonville, Minnesota, and Miami seem like the only logical choices without an entrenched veteran at QB. Scratch the Jags with the divisional rival aspect of the Colts. Scratch Miami with the road game in Indy on the schedule in 2012. Scratch Minnesota with the road game in Indy in 2012. That leaves you with Arizona. Not sure I follow you, if the Colts release him as many expect, are you saying he'll just walk of into the sunset and retire at that time? That this is all a ploy to convince the Colts to keep him and pay the $28 million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Not sure I follow you, if the Colts release him as many expect, are you saying he'll just walk of into the sunset and retire at that time? That this is all a ploy to convince the Colts to keep him and pay the $28 million? Well.....yeah? Ploy might be a little strong of a word because of the insinuation that he's not legit in living up to that kind of a payday, but in reality, he's got $28mil reasons to act like he can still play football for the Indianapolis Colts prior to March 8th. When that motivation isn't on the table, let's see how he feels about risking his present and future health. I wouldn't be surprised if he ultimately called it quits. Would anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Well.....yeah? Ploy might be a little strong of a word because of the insinuation that he's not legit in living up to that kind of a payday, but in reality, he's got $28mil reasons to act like he can still play football for the Indianapolis Colts prior to March 8th. When that motivation isn't on the table, let's see how he feels about risking his present and future health. I wouldn't be surprised if he ultimately called it quits. Would anyone? I wouldn't be surprised if the retires. But I don't think some doctors cleared him to play as motvation to convince the Colts to keep him and pay the $28 million. Nor do I belive that if the Colts cut him and he's healthy enough to play and other teams have interest that he'll say "Nope, I'm going to retire instead." Not sure that we'll ever know the full/true story. I guess I just don't believe that Peyton would be twisting this stuff around, nor do I believe that he purposefully postponed medical treatment (the Sept. surgery) to help his contrac negotiations. Maybe I'm naive, maybe others are skeptical of all players after seeing some of the BS that goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I wouldn't be surprised if the retires. But I don't think some doctors cleared him to play as motvation to convince the Colts to keep him and pay the $28 million. Nor do I belive that if the Colts cut him and he's healthy enough to play and other teams have interest that he'll say "Nope, I'm going to retire instead." Not sure that we'll ever know the full/true story. I guess I just don't believe that Peyton would be twisting this stuff around, nor do I believe that he purposefully postponed medical treatment (the Sept. surgery) to help his contrac negotiations. Maybe I'm naive, maybe others are skeptical of all players after seeing some of the BS that goes on. What would you do for $28,000,000? Play a little PR game or two in hopes it tilts things in your favor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 What would you do for $28,000,000? Play a little PR game or two in hopes it tilts things in your favor? If I was already filthy rich like Peyton Manning, I don't think I'd be screwing around with postponing medical procedures to gain some leverage in negotitaions. Or getting doctors to make false statements about me being medically cleared to play football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice1 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Peyton Manning has a significant neck injury that has required experimental surgeries and procedures and still not repaired. He's due $28 million from his present employer if he's on the roster March 8th. Not sure I buy the experimental surgeries comment at all. My take is: Indy will move on due to the contract. Manning does not want to retire but will if his nerve does not regenerate completely. Manning will be courted by multiple teams close to contending if he is proven healthy. Miami, AZ, Jets, and Redskins seem like logical choices but a healthy Manning is better than most on the field today so finding a great gig will not be difficult. Denver is an interesting dark horse candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 If I was already filthy rich like Peyton Manning, I don't think I'd be screwing around with postponing medical procedures to gain some leverage in negotitaions. Or getting doctors to make false statements about me being medically cleared to play football. Filthy rich? I'm not saying that Peyton Manning doesn't have a comfortable life ahead of him regardless of whether he crouches behind a center again or not, but it's $28million. That's a lot of dough. That's way more money than he's going to make the remainder of his career. There are a lot of business managers, accountants, lawyers, and agents who work for him that get a healthy cut of that too, so it's not exactly the individual player who has the interest in getting the Colts on board. Not to mention the principle at play with Manning giving a hometown discount in the first year of his new contract last season so the team could sign players with the late FA period and still be under the cap. In exchange for this, he took this balloon payment in 2012 (and I think 2013). I never said the doctor's statements are false or that he's hiring quacks. He's being cleared by his doctors for football related activities, which is a little different than the Colts doctors clearing him for football related activities. He's due $28mil from the Colts March 8th. That's way more money than he's going to get from anyone else. Of course he's going to do everything he can to promote the fact he's healthy. My original point was to revisit his motivation for playing for another team for another couple of seasons once the $28mil is off the table. I'm guessing he's probably willing to play again, but there's a lot of health issues at work here and things may not be so cut and dry when there's not the motivation of all that cash sitting out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Not sure I buy the experimental surgeries comment at all. He went to Europe in September for a stem cell treatment for his neck that hasn't been approved by the FDA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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