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13 hours ago, purplemonster said:

Pretty sure I read an analysis that of men of a similar demographic it was something around 50% of the criminal or conviction rate.  Some of that may be due to their high earning status and ability to avoid charges .

NFL men? That would be an interesting read.

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3 hours ago, Shaft said:

NFL men? That would be an interesting read.

 

One of just a few articles I found (searched for "PROFESSIONAL athlete crime rates") that includes this similar stat.

         "• According to the FBI, the NFL arrest rate is 1 in 45. The national average for non-players is 1 in 23."

 

I've read similar stories, and was surprised at first. Then I consider the many hundreds of players we hear nothing about. But they are celebrities so they're big news. Another story mentioned a study that confirmed the above fact, but also showed that during some years NFL players had a higher rate of violent crime than the average person, a statistically significant increase. Numbers were not found easily and didn't have time to read that one fully. 

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2 hours ago, stevegrab said:

 

One of just a few articles I found (searched for "PROFESSIONAL athlete crime rates") that includes this similar stat.

         "• According to the FBI, the NFL arrest rate is 1 in 45. The national average for non-players is 1 in 23."

 

I've read similar stories, and was surprised at first. Then I consider the many hundreds of players we hear nothing about. But they are celebrities so they're big news. Another story mentioned a study that confirmed the above fact, but also showed that during some years NFL players had a higher rate of violent crime than the average person, a statistically significant increase. Numbers were not found easily and didn't have time to read that one fully. 

Thanks, so based on this they're arrested at half the rate of non-nfl players. Obviously, arrest only is only a small piece of the picture, but it does support the idea that most of them seem to be well behaved. 

 

I did some further research:

 

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5 minutes ago, Shaft said:

Every arrest since 2000:

 

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/

 

Cool tool, a quick way to look at things by team, Browns were about average with 36, Bengals a bit higher. Pats are pretty low with 21, but then few teams have a player charged with and convicted for murder. 

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1 minute ago, stevegrab said:

 

Cool tool, a quick way to look at things by team, Browns were about average with 36, Bengals a bit higher. Pats are pretty low with 21, but then few teams have a player charged with and convicted for murder. 

Break down by position: 

 

WR: 151 :lol:

LB: 134

CB: 123

RB: 102

DT: 85

DE: 74 

OT: 52

TE: 43

OG: 26

QB: 22

FB: 15

K: 12

C: 5

DB: 4

P: 3

 

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3 hours ago, Shaft said:

Break down by position: 

 

WR: 151 :lol:

LB: 134

CB: 123

RB: 102

DT: 85

DE: 74 

OT: 52

TE: 43

OG: 26

QB: 22

FB: 15

K: 12

C: 5

DB: 4

P: 3

 

 

I like that there's 12 kickers on the list. 

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There are far more WRs on the field during a game and on rosters.

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Still only a small percentage of those who have played

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3 hours ago, Ramhock said:

There are far more WRs on the field during a game and on rosters.

 

1 hour ago, millworkguy said:

Still only a small percentage of those who have played

 

Accurate on both points. It's a very small % overall, that's why I don't get the comments when people say "these NFL players always get into trouble." 

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9 minutes ago, Shaft said:

 

 

Accurate on both points. It's a very small % overall, that's why I don't get the comments when people say "these NFL players always get into trouble." 

Fear sells

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On 3/18/2019 at 10:52 AM, stevegrab said:

 

One of just a few articles I found (searched for "PROFESSIONAL athlete crime rates") that includes this similar stat.

         "• According to the FBI, the NFL arrest rate is 1 in 45. The national average for non-players is 1 in 23."

 

I've read similar stories, and was surprised at first. Then I consider the many hundreds of players we hear nothing about. But they are celebrities so they're big news. Another story mentioned a study that confirmed the above fact, but also showed that during some years NFL players had a higher rate of violent crime than the average person, a statistically significant increase. Numbers were not found easily and didn't have time to read that one fully. 

What about the national average for men earning $500,000 (whatever the NFL minimun is) or more annually?

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4 hours ago, Caveman_Nick said:

What about the national average for men earning $500,000 (whatever the NFL minimun is) or more annually?

 

Like the one that just got caught in a whack shack? Ohh wait, that was an owner.

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5 hours ago, Caveman_Nick said:

What about the national average for men earning $500,000 (whatever the NFL minimun is) or more annually?

It's not going to be comparable in the least. People making 500k from a non athletic related job have a totally different life than athletes, particularly those in a violent sport.  

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There are bad people in all walks of life. Why do we single out athletes? Do you care if the guy behind the counter at McDonald's is a woman beating crackhead? No, you just want your burger. So why do we care that some athletes are bad people? It has zero effect on our lives whatsoever. 

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6 minutes ago, purplemonster said:

Can i at least prefer that the guy serving my burger isn't a wife beating crackhead lol

 

You never know. But you will know when a 3rd string TE gets a speeding ticket because it's the lead story on Sports Center. Athletes are held to a higher standard, why is that? 

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On 3/22/2019 at 5:36 PM, League_Champion said:

 

You never know. But you will know when a 3rd string TE gets a speeding ticket because it's the lead story on Sports Center. Athletes are held to a higher standard, why is that? 

I am no expert but I believe that since they are role models (even heroes) to some it is a let down when we see them behave badly.  Particularly stuff like wife beatings, shootings, etc.  manure that doesn't play well with the kids.  Should we? Probably not.  Also with the high pay I think people expect more.  For better or worse they are ambassadors for their fan bases.  The hero worship gets a little out of hand, no argument there.  

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8 hours ago, purplemonster said:

I am no expert but I believe that since they are role models (even heroes) to some it is a let down when we see them behave badly.  Particularly stuff like wife beatings, shootings, etc.  manure that doesn't play well with the kids.  Should we? Probably not.  Also with the high pay I think people expect more.  For better or worse they are ambassadors for their fan bases.  The hero worship gets a little out of hand, no argument there.  

 

It's not about that. If 30-40 year old men still need role models they need to grow up. And if you raise your kids to believe athletes are role models, shame on you. It's bad parenting. 

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If the below occurred, have to think things are only going to get worse.  Whole adage of smoke and fire and all...

 

Per Rotoworld:

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The Kansas City Star reports Tyreek Hill's three-year-old son was "recently removed from the custody of Hill and the boy’s mother."

 

Per the Star, it "isn’t clear when the boy was removed, or who he is staying with now." The Star reports Hill and his fiancee, Crystal Espinal, have been "working through a family court process called a 'child in need of care' case." Two separate investigations into child abuse at Hill's home were opened across nine days in March. The second incident involved the alleged breaking of Hill's son's arm. Hill reported for the start of Chiefs voluntary workouts this week, but this is looking like a situation that will involve a lengthy suspension, outright release or both.

 

 

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Just imagine if he gets a year-long suspension and gets released by KC. What was a tremendous offense to start 2018 could be much less formidable in 2019.

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Have to be careful here. Until there are formal charges it's just smoke. This could be more of a domestic dispute between he and the baby Mama for all we know. Could be about $$$$ and not the child's welfare. We'll see what happens.

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On 3/22/2019 at 6:36 PM, League_Champion said:

 

You never know. But you will know when a 3rd string TE gets a speeding ticket because it's the lead story on Sports Center. Athletes are held to a higher standard, why is that? 

Because we enjoy tearing down our idols and the 1%.  Why does the 1 accident make the news, not the million who drove without crashing, fear, tragedy, rumors,  are more exciting to the masses then hope and goodwill.  Why our our lives enriched by the downfall of others?

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On 3/24/2019 at 9:27 AM, League_Champion said:

 

It's not about that. If 30-40 year old men still need role models they need to grow up. And if you raise your kids to believe athletes are role models, shame on you. It's bad parenting. 

Rarely do people tell their kids who their role model should be. It doesnt work that way. If a famous person is constantly pushed in your face they become a model for something, for better or worse.

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2 hours ago, League_Champion said:

Have to be careful here. Until there are formal charges it's just smoke. This could be more of a domestic dispute between he and the baby Mama for all we know. Could be about $$$$ and not the child's welfare. We'll see what happens.

 

Got to disagree.  If the system has determined that the child is in enough danger to remove custody from Hill, then they flat out have reason to believe the safety of the child cannot be guaranteed.  They have nothing to do with money or a dispute between parents.   

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